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I though this was a good visualisation of the amount of one of the toxic chemicals in vaccines. A typical pear contains 600 times as much formaldehyde as a vaccine. 

 

From the Refutations to Anti-Vaccine Memes Facebook Page.

 

 

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And sure you eat the pear, and the vaccine is injected into your muscle. Still a really big difference in amount however it gets into your body.

 

My son loves his pears...


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Yikes! Thanks for the heads-up!

The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and Environmental Protection Agency both acknowledge that formaldehyde is a scientifically proven carcinogen. It's scary how ubiquitous it is, eg in construction materials and the like. I will abstain from pears until I further investigate this matter.

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It's real important to understand the difference between naturally occurring and sprayed on. That does change the levels and the effects. eat.gif


 

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It's real important to understand the difference between naturally occurring and sprayed on. That does change the levels and the effects. eat.gif

Good point.

 

Also important to understand the difference between eating something as it exists in nature, and injecting an isolated version.   Water is a great example. Just because you can safely drink, say, 16 ounces of tap water doesn't mean it's safe to inject 16 ounces.

 

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How about 16/600 ounces water mixed with a bit if salt - or the saline injection you all bring up as the desired placebo....?

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Some people just don't seem to understand this.banghead.gif

that's right and many have no clue how much and how often this and other toxins are intentionally sprayed on their foodS

 

 

 

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How about 16/600 ounces water mixed with a bit if salt - or the saline injection you all bring up as the desired placebo....?

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Formaldehyde occurs naturally in the body.
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Care to source this with something other than the meme's fb page?


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Are you talking to me?

The formaldehyde in a pear isn't sprayed on. It's naturally occurring.
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Sorry Rachel, no I was talking about the OP. If we are going to have a debate on something it seems only proper to give an *actual* source to what you are stating to be factual.


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Ingestion =/= injection, not by a long shot.  I just ate a whole bunch of mushrooms and goat cheese in balsamic vinegar and oil, but there's no way you could talk me into injecting even a fraction of what I ate into my kid's arm, no matter how small the amount.  Just because it's edible does not mean it is injectable.

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Ingestion =/= injection, not by a long shot.  I just ate a whole bunch of mushrooms and goat cheese in balsamic vinegar and oil, but there's no way you could talk me into injecting even a fraction of what I ate into my kid's arm, no matter how small the amount.  Just because it's edible does not mean it is injectable.

 

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I just found this in a cursory google search.
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However, this chemical also occurs naturally in the environment. As a metabolic intermediate, formaldehyde is present at low levels in most living organisms. Formaldehyde can be found naturally in food up to the levels of 300 to 400 mg/kg, including fruits and vegetables (e.g. pear, apple, green onion), meats, fish (e.g., Bombay-duck, cod fish), crustacean and dried mushroom, etc ( Appendix).
http://www.cfs.gov.hk/english/programme/programme_rafs/programme_rafs_fa_02_09.html


Jenny, formaldahyde occurs naturally in the blood in much higher levels than is in vaccines. I wouldn't inject myself with goat cheese, either, but when I eat it the various components that its broken up into DO enter my blood in some amount. When you eat a pear, some amount of formaldahyde ends up in your blood. It makes no difference whether it came from food or a vaccine, it ends up in the same place.

What is different is the percentage that ends up there. A much smaller percentage of what you eat ends up in your blood before being excreted, a higher percentage (up to 100%) of what is in a vaccine does. Generally this distinction is negated because the amounts we consume are many many times greater than the amount contained in a vaccine.
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Jenny, formaldahyde occurs naturally in the blood in much higher levels than is in vaccines.

And this, Rachel, is a far better argument than the pear argument.  Honestly, I don't know enough about formaldahyde to know whether I should be alarmed about it, but the comparison in the OP just strikes me as simplistic and illogical.  If indeed it is ok to inject formaldahyde into the body, the pear argument isn't convincing.


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Is the formaldehyde in vaccines naturally occurring or synthetic? I don't know, I'm asking.

 

Now, if it is synthetic, I would like to see a study where synthetic, injected formaldehyde has been proven safe.

Come to think of it, I would also like to see a study where naturally occurring, injected formaldehyde has been proven safe.

 

I have similar concerns about fluoride--naturally occurring vs. the crap that is added to water.

 

There just might be a difference in the way our bodies process natural and synthetic substances. (I am aware we already had this discussion.)


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Becky I've read before that its the same type the body produces naturally. I'll have to see if I can find that reference again. For now I guess take it fwiw.
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This is a blog, so pass the grains of salt around, but it does a really excellent job covering the basics of formaldahyde, how it's necessary for life, and the dangers of over exposure.
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So what's the most a child might get in a single office visit? That would probably be at their 6 month visit (when they are, on average, 16.5lbs or 7.5kg) with HepB, DTaP, IPV and flu, for a total of 307.5μg. That is about 160 times less than the total amount their body naturally produces every single day*. Compare that to the 428.4-1,516.4μg of formaldehyde in a single apple.

http://www.harpocratesspeaks.com/2012/04/demystifying-vaccine-ingredients.html?m=1
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I just learned in O-chem class that formaldehyde is a gas at room temperature, and is highly unstable, so it will react with almost anything to reach a lower energy state - i.e. degrade into something else.


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Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel View PostThe formaldehyde in a pear isn't sprayed on. It's naturally occurring.

you need to do more googling, it is sprayed on pears and other fruits AND other foods as well - naturally occurring and sprayed on

 

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The amounts listed here are not taking sprayed into account.
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Rrrrrachel, I doubt it would make one bit of difference to you what anyone would say or show you regarding ingesting vs a vaccine.

 

What difference does it make in how you feel? So what, will it stop you from vaccinating?

 

And really do you think someone will start to vaccinate because of the levels in a pear?............................

 

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But frankly formaldehyde is not what makes me skeptical about vaccines (neither do the leftover antibiotics for that matter). It's the other things. Also, the ingestion vs. injection is a very important thing to consider. Our digestive tracts do an amazing job - but if you inject something straight into muscle tissue, it's in. It bypassed the body's systems big time. That's why I personally am in big favor of vaccines that mimic the natural route of infection (there was a measles inhaled vaccine e.g. in trials - haven't heard of it in a while).

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Serenbat I don't think the levels in a pear are particularly compelling either way, personally. I just want people to have accurate information.
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Nia, fortunately the digestive tract isn't the bodies only defense system. Vaccines enter the body through the lymph system, which is also pretty darned good at isolating and eliminating various kinds of invaders.
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But frankly formaldehyde is not what makes me skeptical about vaccines (neither do the leftover antibiotics for that matter). It's the other things. Also, the ingestion vs. injection is a very important thing to consider.

I certainly agree. The pro-vac side pushing a pear as a fair comparison is naive at best - IMO

There are people that do know about dangers of formaldehyde (many businesses use it-hair/beauty/funeral, etc) and also associate it with Katrina and the trailers, just the mere mention of the word is enough form some - so using the "peach" to ease fears (or what ever) is not the way I would go with it. I don't suppose a can of tuna would be of much help either- usually that is what gets a lot of women to start questing vaccines, having been told to lay off it for 9 months. I frankly see it as silly on the Pro-vac side- hey go for it, as safe as a peach, all warm & fuzzy!!! ETA-maybe they should just do a photo of a peach being injected with a vaccine and see how many feel good about offering it to their children

 

 

 

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As usual, let me know when you're ready to have a discussion like an adult.
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I never claimed the info graphic was the end of all vaccine research. I just think its an interesting comparison.

Although personally it's the tiny amounts (of anything) in vaccines, along with that they are only occasional events, which makes me so sure they can't be to blame for increase in chronic health conditions. Well that and any lack of convincing evidence linking them to chronic health conditions.

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