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Yes. I don't want myself or my children coming in close contact with them and schedule play dates accordingly. 2 5.71%
Somewhat. I'm mostly concerned during outbreaks or that they may cause outbreaks. 4 11.43%
Somewhat. But during outbreaks, I'm equally concerned about contact with vaccinated children. 1 2.86%
Nope. :-) 27 77.14%
Other 1 2.86%
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#1 of 15 Old 06-15-2013, 10:48 AM - Thread Starter
 
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That's pretty much my question.

I'm wondering how long it takes before we see this discussion:

"If vaccines work, why are you afraid of unvaccinated kids?"

"Because vaccines don't always work and herd immunity and blah, blah, blah."

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not at all....if that was the case, i'd be afraid of my own kids!!

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not at all....if that was the case, i'd be afraid of my own kids!!

 

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You are damned if you do and damned if you don't.

 

My friend's son was fully vax and got whooping cough when he was three years old, was quarantined, and then his mom got whooping cough, was quarantined. What a mess!  On the other hand, my son wasn't vax and never got it.

 

My other friend would make snide comments when my son was sick, knowing full-well that he's not vax. I would say something like, "My son has a fever, so we can't meet you for a playdate today."  She'd ask what he has, and I'd say, "Oh, the flu or cold." And she's say, "Yea, IF that's it." Like he had some terrible disease. eyesroll.gif

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I'm not at all, but funny enough, I might have said yes a few years ago, before I began really looking into this issue. I think "vaccination" just seemed like a panacea, an overall blanket that protected people from illness, in general. Of course, that's absolutely ridiculous, because vaccines target specific illnesses (and how well they work is a different issue), and offer (whatever degree of) protection only against those illnesses.

I only bring this up because it helps me understand the knee jerk reactions I read online all the time against vax skeptics. It's based on a simplistic and uneducated preconception of the issue.
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I'm sorta afraid of my own kids. Does that count? LOL
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I'm sorta afraid of my own kids. Does that count? LOL


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Only when they come up behind me and shriek "boo!"

 

No, I am not afraid of the unvaccinated.

 

If anything, I am less afraid (for infants and the immunocompromised)  of the unvaccinated  than the vaccinated.  It is quite disease dependent, though.

 

Example: vaccinated people still get pertussis.  They might get a mild case (either due to the vaccine or because they are adults and WC is milder in adults) and wander around in public thinking they "just have a cough."  Vaccines can offer a false sense of protection.  I am not up to date on my pertussis vaccine - at least if I had a cough, particularly if I was going to be anywhere near a newborn, I would insist on finding out if it was pertussis and take appropriate measures to lessen the possibility of transmission.

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I voted "other".  I am in general not afraid OF them.  but I am concerned FOR them.  I worry about some diseases coming back and having to witness the outcomes that many who lived before vaccines can recount.  I worry about children suffering whether they are mine or not and I I am concerned that if vaccination rates fall we will see outbreaks of serious diseases.  The story of the boy with tetnus that was linked here is heartbreaking, and to see it on a larger scale would bother me.

 

But as far as being afraid of them and not wanting to be around them because I will get germs from them?  No I am not afraid at the present time.  I did keep my son away from the few unvaccinated children I knew of when he was too young to get vaccines of his own.  But I also keep him away from immuno-compromised individuals now (for the immno compromised individual's sake not my son's)

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I voted "other".  I am in general not afraid OF them.  but I am concerned FOR them.  I worry about some diseases coming back and having to witness the outcomes that many who lived before vaccines can recount.  I worry about children suffering whether they are mine or not and I I am concerned that if vaccination rates fall we will see outbreaks of serious diseases.  The story of the boy with tetnus that was linked here is heartbreaking, and to see it on a larger scale would bother me.

 

But as far as being afraid of them and not wanting to be around them because I will get germs from them?  No I am not afraid at the present time.  I did keep my son away from the few unvaccinated children I knew of when he was too young to get vaccines of his own.  But I also keep him away from immuno-compromised individuals now (for the immno compromised individual's sake not my son's)

but vax rates were high for whooping cough, measles mumps, flu, and chicken pox, yet scores of vaxed children still came down with it....do you have concern with that too?

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If anything, I am less afraid of the unvaccinated  than the vaccinated.  
Kathy makes a good point. I, too, am more afraid of the vaccinated than the unvaccinated.

As I've become more familiar with the issue and the available research, I have come to view vaccination as the degradation of the immune system and systematic contamination of the body, and of vaccinated individuals as more sickly in general than unvaccinated individuals. I'm scared for children who are put through the full schedule, as well.
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I'm not concerned for my daughter now, but she is (pretty much) fully vaccinated at almost 2. With a newborn too young to be vaccinated, I would probably be cautious about who I took them around, and if I knew those kids weren't vaccinated, I'd probably be a little extra cautious. Vaccinated or no, though, I'm not a big fan of my kid playing in close quarters with other kids who are actually sick. Though I can't be too dogmatic about it as I do stuff like take her to an indoor play space where she's certainly chewing on the same toys as other kids who I don't even know. lol.gif

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Not at all: I have known MORE fully vax'ed than vax'ed children to contract Pertussis, so there's that. The research supports my IRL observation too. So I am afraid of *everyone* when I have a newborn, but I would be more afraid of tobacco smokers, really.

 

I have known some vax'ed kids to be MIGHTY sickly, usually when their parents combine it with poor diet and LIBERAL use of OTC meds like Benadryl & Tylenol. I also TRY to stay away from children that I know have just gotten live vaxes and try to advise parents that seek out my advice on the matter to get live vaxes on Fridays, so they won't spread the disease. Every year around Flu time I am a *little* afraid of live vax shedding.

 

My children have always been healthier than any children I know or hear about, so I am not afraid of them. <3

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Like other posters, I do see people who are over reliant on vaccines and who don't practice appropriate quarantine or seek appropriate diagnosis because of a false sense of security.

 

As a mama very interested in these issues, I always know MORE about local outbreaks of anything, as well as more about vax availability and ingredients than any of my peers. So if there was an outbreak of *anything* locally, you will hear about it from me before you hear about it on your TV or Radio news, so there's that. I guess that gives me some sort of confidence in my peer group, because knowledge is power. I firmly believe the outbreak of the future will be NOVEL and not some throwback outbreak, because Vax rates stay about 90% in every state, for nearly every disease. I am surprised no one ever considers that, that most likely the outbreak will either be a new strain of an old disease OR a new disease altogether, or even (like Malaria or Yellow Fever) something we haven't had here in many years and we don't vax for.

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I voted "other".  I am in general not afraid OF them.  but I am concerned FOR them.  I worry about some diseases coming back and having to witness the outcomes that many who lived before vaccines can recount.  I worry about children suffering whether they are mine or not and I I am concerned that if vaccination rates fall we will see outbreaks of serious diseases.  The story of the boy with tetnus that was linked here is heartbreaking, and to see it on a larger scale would bother me.

 

But as far as being afraid of them and not wanting to be around them because I will get germs from them?  No I am not afraid at the present time.  I did keep my son away from the few unvaccinated children I knew of when he was too young to get vaccines of his own.  But I also keep him away from immuno-compromised individuals now (for the immno compromised individual's sake not my son's)

 

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The actual data should put your fears to rest.  Vaccination rates would have to plummet in order for this to happen.  For over 50 years, they have been on a consistently upward trend and, in fact, have never been higher.  In most cases, they meet or exceed the CDC's Healthy People 2020 goals. 

 

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/G/coverage.pdf


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