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Pers, lemme check the "immunity" duration for the vaccine schedule you have listed and if there are any contrary facts I wil list them here later. The only thing I can think of right off the bat is this - Why are boosters needed if certain vaxes give lifetime immunity after one shot?
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Here is a list of adult vaccination rates.

 

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6104a2.htm

 

The stats cover those who are in the recommended ages for HPV, Tdap or Td, HPV, the Heps, pneumococcal  and shingles.  Tetanus has the highest compliance at highest at 63.4% while Hep A came in at 10.7 %.  So, yeah, adults are undervaxxed per recommendations.  

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I have been googling like mad but I cannot find one single place that lists vaccine dosage along with immunity duration for the old school vaccines. I did find separate sites that lists certain vaccines with some info but I am not sure how accurate they are. If anyone can point me to a link that would be great.

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Here is a list of adult vaccination rates.

 

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6104a2.htm

 

The stats cover those who are in the recommended ages for HPV, Tdap or Td, HPV, the Heps, pneumococcal  and shingles.  Tetanus has the highest compliance at highest at 63.4% while Hep A came in at 10.7 %.  So, yeah, adults are undervaxxed per recommendations.  

 

Yes, adults are behind on vaccines, but the original question was why there isn't a greater push for vaccination of adults to protect babies and why the old school diseases aren't coming back since adults aren't getting their vaxes.  Most of the vaxes listed above are fairly new.  Shingles and pneumo are given to the elderly to protect them from disease, not out of concern of them spreading it to others/infants.  HPV vaccine is not given to babies.  Hepatitis A isn't on the schedule for all adults - I'm not sure of the logic of vaccinating all children in the US for hepatitis while only vaccinating adults with risk factors.  Pertussis and   diptheria I already mentioned.  

 

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Pers, lemme check the "immunity" duration for the vaccine schedule you have listed and if there are any contrary facts I wil list them here later. The only thing I can think of right off the bat is this - Why are boosters needed if certain vaxes give lifetime immunity after one shot?
 

Tetanus, diptheria, and pertussis boosters are given because they do not provide lifelong immunity.  Hepatitis B also wanes, but there is no booster recommended for it, I think this is because it is primarily intended to protect against severe and chronic hepatitis, and people who were vaccinated may become susceptible to hepatitis B twenty or so years later, but they still have some protection so it doesn't develop into severe/chronic disease. 

 

With polio and the MMR diseases, it is not about compensating for waning immunity, but about building immunity in the first place. With measles especially, they didn't add a second shot because immunity was found to be waning, but because some kids did not respond to the first shot and so were never immune. After two shots, nearly everyone is immune. 

 

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I have been googling like mad but I cannot find one single place that lists vaccine dosage along with immunity duration for the old school vaccines. I did find separate sites that lists certain vaccines with some info but I am not sure how accurate they are. If anyone can point me to a link that would be great.

 

 

Try the CDC Pink Book for duration of immunity.  Measles and rubela are both currently thought to give lifelong immunity. Mumps is "believed to be greater than 25 years, and is probably lifelong in most vaccine recipients."   Oral polio vaccine (which is what most of us adults would have had) is thought to give lifelong immunity.  In 2000 they quit using oral polio vaccine, so kids today only get IPV, the duration of which is thought to be long but not actually known, so we will see what happens with that one.  

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Pers, I wasn't arguing with you.

 

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Thanks for summarizing that so concisely pers. I'd been wondering about these claims that adults are really undervaccinated, and wanted to remind myself what is recommended in terms of boosters. So helpful that you just did it for us - and I'm reassured to see that it's not a big issue (as I suspected). 

 

  

 

The link I posted shows adults are undervaxxed according to the CDC schedule for adults.  


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