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http://preventdisease.com/news/13/083013_CDC-Markets-Malevolent-Mini-Soap-Opera-To-Strike-Fear-In-Pregnant-Women-Who-Refuse-Flu-Shot.shtml

 

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Ugh. Any time a scare tactic is used it makes me not want to do or buy whatever they are "selling" as a cure.

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But women do die of flu while pregnant - OK not many, but it's not a completely made up scenario. 
 

These statistics estimate an average of 700 deaths in healthy 19-65 years olds every year from flu over the period 1976-2007: http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5933a1.htm

 

Let's say 50% of those are women, and let's guess 50% of those women are roughly of childbearing age (obviously not many 65 year olds having babies). So that's 150-200 deaths linked to flu annually in healthy women of childbearing age. Even if only 1% of those women are actually pregnant, the estimate is that 1 or more healthy pregnant women will die from complications linked to flu annually. And that doesn't account for the suggestion that pregnant women are more likely to suffer serious complications from flu (need to search for a reference on that). 

 

It's not a high chance, but it is not invented to suggest that women could die from the flu while pregnant.

 

 The CDC describes all the safety checks they do on flu in pregnancy here: http://www.cdc.gov/flu/protect/vaccine/qa_vacpregnant.htm they conclude it's very safe and no unusual pattern of complications appeared in women who had received the shot. 

 

 I in fact only ever sought out the flu shot while pregnant ( I had it once or twice otherwise), due to worries about the increased risk of complications from flu during pregnancy.


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But, prosciencemum, that is where the medical reporting system-- and you--seem to have a double standard.

If a pregnant woman has flu-like symptoms, and then dies within a week or two, that is reported as a death caused by flu.

But in most cases, influenza is not confirmed by lab test. Pre-existing conditions are not reported, history of drug/alcohol abuse are often unknown, nor are allergic or autoimmune reactions to medications reported. Any death from MRSA, contracted while hospitalized with "flu-like symptoms" is still reported as death from flu.

If a child (or adult, for that matter) has a serious symptoms following vaccination, you have said (over and over) that it's likely to be just a coincidence, that (seizure) (severe rash) (intestinal symptoms) (autoimmune disorders) (asthma) can develop at any time.

You need to apply the same standard to both situations.
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This article from Mothering addresses this.

 

http://www.mothering.com/community/a/pregnancy-and-the-flu-shot

 

I found the top half of the article a little generic, but the bottom half has some figures and it is well cited. 

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But, prosciencemum, that is where the medical reporting system-- and you--seem to have a double standard.

If a pregnant woman has flu-like symptoms, and then dies within a week or two, that is reported as a death caused by flu.

But in most cases, influenza is not confirmed by lab test. Pre-existing conditions are not reported, history of drug/alcohol abuse are often unknown, nor are allergic or autoimmune reactions to medications reported. Any death from MRSA, contracted while hospitalized with "flu-like symptoms" is still reported as death from flu.

If a child (or adult, for that matter) has a serious symptoms following vaccination, you have said (over and over) that it's likely to be just a coincidence, that (seizure) (severe rash) (intestinal symptoms) (autoimmune disorders) (asthma) can develop at any time.

You need to apply the same standard to both situations.

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This article from Mothering addresses this.

 

http://www.mothering.com/community/a/pregnancy-and-the-flu-shot

 

I found the top half of the article a little generic, but the bottom half has some figures and it is well cited. 

IMO it still is lacking - lacking the wider picture - your number one cause of death during pregnancy is not the flu, this seems to never get air-play! instead it's right to the scare factor all the time where the money is and it's not in PSA's on violence or the fact the common cold can cause your respiratory problems - it's just zero in on FLU

between 2006 & 09 - CDC stated - http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/MaternalInfantHealth/PMSS.html

 

IRL (and not among pregnant mom's - since none I know closely are right now pregnant) real life people no longer have "colds" - if you seek any medical treatment (Dr or walk-in) you no longer have a "cold" everything is THE FLU! and I am finding more and more are not getting tested but given the candy of choice - the new penicillin - tamiflu - that in itself I find really disturbing 

 

I just hate the one sided approach that because you "can control" via the flu shot that is where the info goes, vs other factors that pose great risks

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Serenbat, that's a good point about the fact that nobody is diagnosed with the common cold any more. Instead, the diagnoses are either upper respiratory infection (which is basically the common cold, but with the word "infection" comes antibiotic treatment) or flu, which comes with Tamiflu. And that's usually AFTER people frantically take cold medicine and fever reducers.
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