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thispathisme 11-08-2013 06:55 PM

Posting here because I'd like to hear both sides. I made an appointment for my kids and I to get our titer levels checked. The nurse I spoke to said fine. Got to the appointment and met with the nurse practitioner who said the following:
-no use getting kids (3 and 1) jabbed and having blood drawn because natural immunity from mom wanes around 1 year old;
-you can only get titers checked for MMR and chicken pox
-she is pro vax and focused on immunology in school
-Wakefield was disproved and now high levels of MMR found in UK where he's from because so many ppl stopped vaccinating;
-knows of no vaccines with encephalitis as a side effect;
-never heard of Dr. Sears;
-recommended reading "Your best shot";
-is pro vax but would never want a parent to vax without being comfortable with it;
-meningitis is almost always deadly;
-most parents blindly vax (response to my question about how parents without medical backgrounds can make the decision, either way, in good conscience)

There was more but I honestly can't remember anymore what else we spoke about. I left feeling respected and treated with dignity but with no real answers and more questions.

If titers can only be checked for 4 VADs, where's the proof that vaccines for all of the other diseases are effective at all? How do we know? That really confused me.

Please comment on any of the above.

katelove 11-08-2013 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by thispathisme View Post

Posting here because I'd like to hear both sides. I made an appointment for my kids and I to get our titer levels checked. The nurse I spoke to said fine. Got to the appointment and met with the nurse practitioner who said the following:
-no use getting kids (3 and 1) jabbed and having blood drawn because natural immunity from mom wanes around 1 year old; the purpose is not to check for passive immunity from mum. The purpose is to see if they have been exposed and developed their own immunity. I agree that there is little point doing titres on a child who is still young enough to have antibodies from Mum.

-you can only get titers checked for MMR and chicken pox

It is possible to do titres on just about any disease for which we may develop immunity. It is possible that the lab she uses only offers MMR and chicken pox. Some titre tests are very expensive, aren't requested very often and are only done in a few labs.

-she is pro vax and focused on immunology in school
-Wakefield was disproved and now high levels of MMR found in UK where he's from because so many ppl stopped vaccinating;

-knows of no vaccines with encephalitis as a side effect; maybe she needs to read some package inserts then. Merck's MMR package insert lists encephalitis as a possible side effect for one


-never heard of Dr. Sears;
-recommended reading "Your best shot";
-is pro vax but would never want a parent to vax without being comfortable with it;

-meningitis is almost always deadly;

bacterial meningitis is almost always fatal without treatment. With treatment the fatality rate is 5-40% depending on the patient population and type of meningitis. Viral meningitis usually resolves completely without treatment, although supportive treatment is usually given in Western health care settings

-most parents blindly vax (response to my question about how parents without medical backgrounds can make the decision, either way, in good conscience)

There was more but I honestly can't remember anymore what else we spoke about. I left feeling respected and treated with dignity but with no real answers and more questions.

If titers can only be checked for 4 VADs, where's the proof that vaccines for all of the other diseases are effective at all? How do we know? That really confused me.

Please comment on any of the above.

There is a fair bit of misinformation in what you've quoted above. Either she's trying to convince you to vax or that immunology she specialised in at uni didn't sink in too well.

Edited to bold only my responses... Didn't work :-(

thispathisme 11-09-2013 07:21 AM

Thanks for responding. I did ask if perhaps other labs might be able to test for other disease and I was told that she doesn't know of any place that does and had not heard of it. It actually makes me feel better to hear that she's gotten it wrong with some of the basic information. I was happy just to have someone in the medical community speak to me respectfully even knowing that my kids were not yet vaxed, but it does seem like she's either purposefully or accidently given me misinformation.
She also strongly cautioned me against basing my decisions on the information in the package inserts because the manufacturing companies have to add EVERY possible side effect and the chances are so low of being one of those affected by them.
I don't know, I've tried to get information online, from literature, from those who SHOULD know, I've taken time off of work, I have minimal free time. How the heck am I supposed to make this decision??!! I'm so frustrated and worried and annoyed.

maos211 11-09-2013 07:07 PM

What helped me more than studying the possible side effects was to learn about the disease itself ( each and every " preventable" disease). And also learning about the treatment for the disease for a vaccinated child and a non vaccinate child ( which is the same treatment). Once I felt comfortable with each disease and what course if treatment it would have, I felt much more at peace skipping vaccines. Wishing you wisdom, discernment, and peace in your findings.

prosciencemum 11-10-2013 01:59 AM

Sounds like a great visit. Nice to hear about a medical professional taking the time to talk through your worries.

Will you read "your best shot"? I haven't actually, but I've heard good things about it.

The measles outbreak in Wales recently was linked to the Wakefield debacle - that's not misinformation.

If it will help you could go over to either Vaccinating on Schedule, or Selective/Delayed to hear stories of vaccinating with no issues, no reactions. Bad reactions occur, but are not the normal result. smile.gif

Best of luck in your decision.


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