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#1 of 41 Old 12-22-2013, 04:55 PM - Thread Starter
 
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People are reading the MDC vax forums, then repeating the conversations on their own sites. Just know that whatever you type here WILL be repeated and mocked on other "skeptic" sites. Remember the bullies from middle school? Well, I would like to introduce you to the new class of bully--the middle-aged internet bully.


 
 
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Apparently, they have no valid arguments, so they resort to mocking and bullying.

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Thanks, Becky.  I know and have known for awhile.  It never hurts to remind newbies, though. 

 

I am not sure I want to give skeptic sites traffic, but if anyone needs proof it has hapenned, and recently, please pm me.  

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That's ok. Its good to spread the word. If they feel so defensive about it, its because either they are protecting money and/or they don't want to admit that they poisoned/damaged/maimed someone with vaccines.

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I know at least one of the sites you're thinking of, and yes, she's on a tear this week, largely on a theme of "don't recommend that people lie."  Some of that has hit MDC, and the non-vax dialogue here.

 

Here's my thing - I know this person's tone is abrasive (and I can think of several reasons why this person might have chosen an abrasive tone, the key one being that drives web traffic), but not all the true and important things that could be said are nice to hear.  If you publicly take leave of your ethical and legal senses, I think it is pretty darn fair for someone to stand up and publicly call you on it. 

 

There is only a limited extent that this kind of truth-telling is possible on MDC itself  - threads have a way of getting sanitized; sanitization tends to remove important context, and key information.  In the face of this kind of moderation strategy, a network of reactionary sites has evolved, some of which were explicitly started to discuss and dissect MDC (others just drifted that direction).  This network, in turn, drives traffic to MDC, which needs traffic to raise ad revenue.  Perversely, MDC is thus rewarded for every infuriating thing the moderators do, and for every time someone on one of the related sites gets PO'd.

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Im an open minded individual and have long sat on the fence of vax or no vax. Every time I read something like what she writes though, it sets me more firmly on the non vax side of the fence because the tone is so hostile. That said, its not hard to get an exemption despite what he would have you believe. I submit an exemption for my own vaxes for college (state uniersity) every year, no fuss.

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Here's my thing - I know this person's tone is abrasive (and I can think of several reasons why this person might have chosen an abrasive tone, the key one being that drives web traffic), but not all the true and important things that could be said are nice to hear.  If you publicly take leave of your ethical and legal senses, I think it is pretty darn fair for someone to stand up and publicly call you on it. 

 

 

Who are you to judge what is someone's ethical and legal senses? Would you like it directed at you?

 

For someone to go off because of another person's post and have to post it as a thread on your own blog, it means you lack substance on your own - IMO

 

 

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 Perversely, MDC is thus rewarded for every infuriating thing the moderators do, and for every time someone on one of the related sites gets PO'd.

 

Would make it seem like someone did this intentionally!…………………………………………………. Oh wait, maybe that is what many feel did happen! 

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Here's my thing - I know this person's tone is abrasive (and I can think of several reasons why this person might have chosen an abrasive tone, the key one being that drives web traffic), but not all the true and important things that could be said are nice to hear.  If you publicly take leave of your ethical and legal senses, I think it is pretty darn fair for someone to stand up and publicly call you on it. 

 

 

nm.  Good to know where you stand.

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For someone to go off because of another person's post and have to post it as a thread on your own blog, it means you lack substance on your own - IMO

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nm.  Good to know where you stand.

like your first reply but I go with this too! :wink 


 

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Who are you to judge what is someone's ethical and legal senses? Would you like it directed at you?

 

Law and ethics are matters of social agreement, so we do all get to judge what happens in front of us.  It's been my experience that I don't enjoy negative judgments on those grounds directed at me, and that's one of the reasons I aim to behave ethically, morally and legally.  (A much larger part is that I prefer living in a civilized society - these judgments, like taxes, are required to sustain it.)  I prefer to call people on these things when I see them, and I've certainly taken plenty of flak for doing that here.

 

I am so lacking in substance that I, personally, blog about once a month.  In a good month. 

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I am not sure where to put this as the topic is on a few threads, but think it best fits here.
 
I would appreciate it if MDC removed links posted here to threads outside MDC where members are being mocked.
 
I understand that MDC cannot control what is written on other sites.  I know that what I post here may be cut and pasted elsewhere and dissected.  I have made my peace with that, although I think those who mock others behind their backs are pretty scuzzy. That is on them, however, not me.
 
I do think MDC should strive to make this a safe place to post.  MDC does control the content of this site, and leaving up a link to a site where a thread is actively ridiculing a member and words said here, is wrong, IMHO.  It does not create a safe atmosphere.  
 
We have lost a few non -vax members (it is always non-vaxxers who are the victims of this kind of crap) over the years to this type of trolling.  Some of it is beyond MDC's control, but some  is within MDC's control.
 
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Mods:  I would appreciate it if you remove the link to Skeptical OB where one of our members is being mocked.  Feel free to remove this request if you do so.  

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To be entirely fair, I've seen vaccine opponents doing the same thing with posts by vaccine proponents.

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As Becky put it - People are reading the MDC vax forums, then repeating the conversations on their own sites.

 

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To be entirely fair, I've seen vaccine opponents doing the same thing with posts by vaccine proponents.

Acanaknight what site(s) are you talking about where you have seen MDC treads?

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To be entirely fair, I've seen vaccine opponents doing the same thing with posts by vaccine proponents.

Acanaknight what site(s) are you talking about where you have seen MDC treads?

 

I am also interested in knowing…..

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I keep up with a lot of different vaccine critical sites and I've never seen anyone publicly criticizing a vaccine supporter from MDC. I have encountered a couple of private criticisms, but I think that what people say in a more private setting is a different problem.
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I keep up with a lot of different vaccine critical sites and I've never seen anyone publicly criticizing a vaccine supporter from MDC. I have encountered a couple of private criticisms, but I think that what people say in a more private setting is a different problem.
I remember on fb a while back a male member here, named two female members here on his fb rant..and named the forum too, with a link.
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There are also MDC stalkers that think MDC is too pro-vax. For instance:

"I'm done there. I first started out there, but recently they changed the rules that allows all posts. The forum has been swamped with people claiming to be researchers or doctors and they claim all sorts of crap and advocate universal mandatory vaccination and such. It is a shame, it used to be a very nice forum that in the main area allowed for discussion, but not such things as mandatory vaccines, and the subforum I don't vaccinate was a place to talk freely. It is no longer so. I know that "officials" hated MDC for harboring anti-vaccine thoughts... I wonder if they finally cracked down on it. I noticed that lots of posters who used to be active threw the towel. This forum is now the most supportive non-vax group on the internet, and no doubt they'll try to bring this down too. Sad today."

http://community.babycenter.com/post..._vaccine_forum.
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There are also MDC stalkers that think MDC is too pro-vax. For instance:

"I'm done there. I first started out there, but recently they changed the rules that allows all posts. The forum has been swamped with people claiming to be researchers or doctors and they claim all sorts of crap and advocate universal mandatory vaccination and such. It is a shame, it used to be a very nice forum that in the main area allowed for discussion, but not such things as mandatory vaccines, and the subforum I don't vaccinate was a place to talk freely. It is no longer so. I know that "officials" hated MDC for harboring anti-vaccine thoughts... I wonder if they finally cracked down on it. I noticed that lots of posters who used to be active threw the towel. This forum is now the most supportive non-vax group on the internet, and no doubt they'll try to bring this down too. Sad today."

http://community.babycenter.com/post..._vaccine_forum.
A RANT from 2011 IMO has nothing to do with stalking or this thread.
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A RANT from 2011 IMO has nothing to do with stalking or this thread.
There was no time limit in the OP, so you are OT by imposing a time limit. You are trying to put a statute of limitation on this, but there is none on this awful crime!

This was STALKING as defined in the OP, not just a rant
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Complaining about MDC is a bit different than naming members, writing a hit piece about them, then making fun of them with a group of others.
If a vaccine skeptic did this about a provax member here, that would be considered internet stalking too (at least in my opinion.)
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There was no time limit in the OP, so you are OT by imposing a time limit. You are trying to put a statute of limitation on this, but there is none on this awful crime!

This was STALKING as defined in the OP, not just a rant
I find the "time" to be important.

Do you know this site changed hands /ownership? So to me it's not relevant what happened in 2011 or could have happened to the person prior, I don't even know the exact date.

This side also changed this section in a major overhaul, I feel that too factors into things and again, I found it to be a rant and from years ago and not current nor relevant today.

Frankly I have NO clue what you are even talking about it being "stalking". The link you posted (with the quote) says NOTHING about stalking, it talked about a person who is upset there were changes to mothering.
How does that make it stalking??

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"I'm done there. I first started out there, but recently they changed the rules that allows all posts. The forum has been swamped with people claiming to be researchers or doctors and they claim all sorts of crap and advocate universal mandatory vaccination and such. It is a shame, it used to be a very nice forum that in the main area allowed for discussion, but not such things as mandatory vaccines, and the subforum I don't vaccinate was a place to talk freely. It is no longer so. I know that "officials" hated MDC for harboring anti-vaccine thoughts... I wonder if they finally cracked down on it. I noticed that lots of posters who used to be active threw the towel. This forum is now the most supportive non-vax group on the internet, and no doubt they'll try to bring this down too. Sad today."

http://community.babycenter.com/post..._vaccine_forum.
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I find the "time" to be important.

Do you know this site changed hands /ownership? So to me it's not relevant what happened in 2011 or could have happened to the person prior, I don't even know the exact date.

This side also changed this section in a major overhaul, I feel that too factors into things and again, I found it to be a rant and from years ago and not current nor relevant today.

Frankly I have NO clue what you are even talking about it being "stalking". The link you posted (with the quote) says NOTHING about stalking, it talked about a person who is upset there were changes to mothering.
How does that make it stalking??


Funny, the OP on of this thread did not say it was not stalking unless the post mentioned "stalking". But your are saying it's not stalking if either it was posted after 2011 or the post does not say anything about stalking. So stalkers are not stalker unless they talk about stalking, huh? Wanna make up any more new rules about what is stalking and what is not?
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Having fun, tadamsmar?

There is a long history of people taking quotes from MDC, putting them on other sites and mocking them heavily. On the vaccine forums, it almost exclusively happens to non-vaxxers, and it can be quite hurtful.

You are either ignorant of this, in which case I can assume you are bored and posting without fully understanding the history, or you know full well the history, but think it is fine to mock peoples pain.

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I remember on fb a while back a male member here, named two female members here on his fb rant..and named the forum too, with a link.
I've just recently come back after several years of inactivity so I guess I missed that!
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Having fun, tadamsmar?

There is a long history of people taking quotes from MDC, putting them on other sites and mocking them heavily. On the vaccine forums, it almost exclusively happens to non-vaxxers, and it can be quite hurtful.

You are either ignorant of this, in which case I can assume you are bored and posting without fully understanding the history, or you know full well the history, but think it is fine to mock peoples pain.


But it OK when anti-vaxers go to other sites and criticize what is said on MDC, right? It's bad that pro-vaxers have a long history of that but it's OK that anti-vaxers were doing that way back in 2011. If one brings up the long history of anti-vaxers doing that then the post si too old, right?


I think I see where you are coming from.
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