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I am just curious what people's opinions are on this subject. Over the years I have known several children whose parents chose not to vaccinate at all, and who developed autism. These were families that were very holistically oriented from the start so the decision not to vacc was not made in reaction to anything they already suspected. The facts of this have been interesting to me, as clearly vaccinations can't be pointed to for these children, and clearly this is is a developmental disorder with a variety of causes.

 

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My thoughts are, they have no idea what causes autism.  They do however have many studies that show there is no correlation between the two.

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And there are also studies that show a clear correlation between vaccines and regressive autism.

I think it's important to note that parents from all over the world are reporting the same thing: their children were developing normally until receiving a set of vaccines, after which they developed major health and developmental problems--severe intestinal problems, seizure disorders--and brain damage, including autism.

The US Department of Health and Human Services has admitted and compensated many cases of vaccine-induced brain damage, including 2 very recent cases of specifically vaccine-induced autism.
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My son was not vaccinated just because we don't go that route, but he has autism. We noticed his regression before he was one year old. He was an early walker (9 months), but he had very few words and the words he did have were lost before he was 18 months. Likewise, I have friends that have children who did get vaccines and soon after noticed a drastic change in behavior and language, also. So my conclusion is . . . Who knows? Apparently its a number of factors.
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I believe there are multiple things that can up the chances one's child develops autism.

 

Vaccine are only one thing.  As such it makes sense to me that there are autistic children who were not vaccinated.  


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  In one study, health care proffesionals watched videos of babies first birthdays.  They were able to correctly tell which children would develop autism.  Autism seems to show at about 18 months, the same time as the second dose of MMR which is causing people to associate the two.

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There are some parents who say their never vaccinated children have autism. That doesn't mean anything in itself. What might be interesting to know is, what percentage of never vaccinated children have autism, and what percentage of fully vaccinated children have autism? Unfortunately, some things are simply impossible to find out. There is no possible study that could give us that information...says the government and pharmaceutical industry and mainstream media.

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  In one study, health care proffesionals watched videos of babies first birthdays.  They were able to correctly tell which children would develop autism.  Autism seems to show at about 18 months, the same time as the second dose of MMR which is causing people to associate the two.

 

 

No, that's not quite correct.


There are MANY families who have before-and-after video footage of their child, the day before their 12-15-month vaccine visit, and the day after.


The difference is night and day. It's CHILLINGLY obvious.

 

I know one such family very, very well. Their pediatrician chanted that same mantra ("oh, it's just a coincidence, sometime around 18 months is when autism hits, has NOTHING to do with the vaccine I gave your son, etc.")--until they insisted that he watch the video footage.

 

He actually changed his mind after seeing it.  


The day before, the child was talking in full sentences, joking and teasing and laughing with his daddy.


The day after, his face was puffy, he had zero eye contact, he wasn't responding to his name, and he was spinning in circles and banging his head.  

 

And he never went back to his pre-vaccine self.  Ever. He had terrible stomach aches and explosive diarrhea for YEARS, until they got him off gluten and dairy.  He lost all speech, and only regained a few words.  It's heartbreaking.

 

This is pretty much the same story--and in many cases, the same kind of VIDEO, with day-before and day-after footage--told by parents all over the world.

 

Not every case of autism is like this, not even every case of regressive autism.  But there are so many that are so similar, and denying that they exist does not make them go away.

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 How do you then explain the children who also loose skills overnight, who have never received a vaccination?  It's always the vaccinations, unless it's not?

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  Here is a link to the study I was referring to.  As you can see it very much exists.  http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.172.6212&rep=rep1&type=pdf

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  In one study, health care proffesionals watched videos of babies first birthdays.  They were able to correctly tell which children would develop autism.  Autism seems to show at about 18 months, the same time as the second dose of MMR which is causing people to associate the two.

 

Yes!  I read about this exact same study! Several pediatricians were asked to look at videos from numerous 1st birthday parties and every single one of them was able to identify which toddlers were later diagnosed with autism way before they had an official diagnosis.  It was in a baby book written by pediatricians that were members of the CDC, IIRC.  It was called baby 911 maybe? 

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 How do you then explain the children who also loose skills overnight, who have never received a vaccination?  It's always the vaccinations, unless it's not?

 

Who are those children? Does that actually happen? If so, in what percentage of never vaccinated children? Compared to what percentage of vaccinated children? It seems that it would be helpful to actually study those children who did regress into autism, to see what might have caused it. In 2008 the late Dr. Bernadine Healy strongly suggested that be done, but it still hasn't been done. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirby/dr-bernadine-healy-dont-d_b_101421.html

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Who are those children? Does that actually happen? If so, in what percentage of never vaccinated children? Compared to what percentage of vaccinated children? It seems that it would be helpful to actually study those children who did regress into autism, to see what might have caused it. In 2008 the late Dr. Bernadine Healy strongly suggested that be done, but it still hasn't been done. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirby/dr-bernadine-healy-dont-d_b_101421.html

 

Of course it happens.  Do you honestly think that there are zero unvaccinated children with autism? 

 

It makes sense when people say " I don't know any completely unvaccinated children with autism"  because that represents a tiny fraction of the population.  I don't know any completely unvaccinated children that have been in a car accident, either.  Nor do I know of any left handed people that have been diagnosed with cancer.  That doesn't mean vaccines or right handedness causes car accidents or cancer.   It just means that the vast majority of children have received at least some vaccines and the vast majority of people are also right handed.  

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Of course it happens.  Do you honestly think that there are zero unvaccinated children with autism? 

 

I was referencing this statement made by ropeteranon: "How do you then explain the children who also loose skills overnight, who have never received a vaccination?"

 

Wouldn't that be interesting, in the search to find what does cause autism, to study those never vaccinated children, who were fine one day, and then suddenly had a severe regression? Might that provide clues as to possible causes of autism besides vaccines? Who are those never vaccinated children who suddenly regressed, and what do they have in common? Why is that not being studied? Do those children even exist?

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I was referencing this statement made by ropeteranon: "How do you then explain the children who also loose skills overnight, who have never received a vaccination?"

 

Wouldn't that be interesting, in the search to find what does cause autism, to study those never vaccinated children, who were fine one day, and then suddenly had a severe regression? Might that provide clues as to possible causes of autism besides vaccines? Who are those never vaccinated children who suddenly regressed, and what do they have in common? Why is that not being studied? Do those children even exist?

 

Yes, I would like to see this as well. Studies of the nonvacc'd children and the children who did regress after vaccine. One of Andrew Wakefield's hypotheses which he never got to advance, was that there were some children that had inherited vulnerabilities (such as a leaky gut) who were more susceptible to MMR because of this preexisting condition. Wouldn't it be great if there was a prescreening tool that could help some children with this?


 
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  In one study, health care professionals watched videos of babies first birthdays.  They were able to correctly tell which children would develop autism.  Autism seems to show at about 18 months, the same time as the second dose of MMR which is causing people to associate the two.

I read the link you posted and a few points worth noting:

 

1.  the numbers were small

 

2.  They really were not overly successful at telling which child would develop autism before age 1.  

 

"The finding that the developmental pediatrician was able to classify children into diagnostic categories at a rate of 78% (22/30 children) using footage at 1 year of age, but did not perform significantly better than chance using footage taken only 2–4 months earlier suggests that during the first year of life, autism may be difficult to detect by clinicians using global clini- cal judgments. "

 

3.  The study only looked at what they termed early onset autism.  They did not look at regressive autism (or the "my baby was fine until 18 months when xyz happened")

 

"The fact that the children with late-onset autism had to be removed from the analysis in order for group dif- ferences to be detected suggests that there is, in fact, sig- nificant variation in the early developmental course of autism. Late-onset autism is typified by a regression in social, communicative, and/or language skills in children who have had an apparently normal developmental course up to this point, occurring in the second and third years of life. Further research with a greater number of late- onset children should be conducted so that the behavior of this group can be examined more thoroughly."

 

 

The studies had some serious limitation.  

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 How do you then explain the children who also loose skills overnight, who have never received a vaccination?  It's always the vaccinations, unless it's not?

 

Who said "always" ?


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"Who are those children? Does that actually happen? If so, in what percentage of never vaccinated children? Compared to what percentage of vaccinated children? It seems that it would be helpful to actually study those children who did regress into autism, to see what might have caused it. In 2008 the late Dr. Bernadine Healy strongly suggested that be done, but it still hasn't been done. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirby/dr-bernadine-healy-dont-d_b_101421.htm"

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YES!  These are excellent questions that deserve DIRECT ANSWERS.

But instead, we get the typical non-answer:

 

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Of course it happens.  Do you honestly think that there are zero unvaccinated children with autism? 

 

It makes sense when people say " I don't know any completely unvaccinated children with autism"  because that represents a tiny fraction of the population.  I don't know any completely unvaccinated children that have been in a car accident, either.  Nor do I know of any left handed people that have been diagnosed with cancer.  That doesn't mean vaccines or right handedness causes car accidents or cancer.   It just means that the vast majority of children have received at least some vaccines and the vast majority of people are also right handed.  



Come on, "Scientists" out there, there are a lot of good questions out there that need answers, not avoidance and excuses:

 

1) What percentage of completely unvaccinated children develop profound regressive autism?

 

2) What percentage of fully vaccinated children develop profound regressive autism?

 

3) What percentage of fully vaccinated children, diagnosed with profound regressive autism, were breastfed, and for how long? What percent were never breastfed?

 

4) What percentage of completely unvaccinated children, diagnosed with profound regressive autism, were born from mothers who'd had vaccines during pregnancy?

 

5) What percentage of completely unvaccinated children, diagnosed with profound regressive autism, were born from mothers who'd had vaccines in the 5-year-period preceding pregnancy?

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 How do you then explain the children who also loose skills overnight, who have never received a vaccination?  It's always the vaccinations, unless it's not?

 

Do you have links to case reports of unvaccinated children who develop regressive autism (losing skills overnight)?  I have not seen any.


Interesting how you phrased your second sentence.  Most of the pro-vaxxers insist that it's never the vaccinations, except when it is --  like Ryan Mojabi, Emily Moller, Hannah Poling, Bailey Banks, whose cases of vaccine-induced regressive autism were all conceded and compensated by the US Department of Health and Human Services.


It's worth noting that Ryan's and Emily's cases were conceded and compensated only a year ago.

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I've yet to read the whole thread but I wholeheartedly believe that autism as well as allergies, asthma, IBS, Crohns and a host of other gut, general health & mental health maladies are the result of years & years & generation after generation of degradation to our guts.  They've been assaulted by what we eat, what we breath, what we inject & what we ingest over the last 200+ years & now the proverbial shit is hitting the fan.  

 

I've three children who have allergies that range between from mild allergies to beyond severe.  The oldest is the only one who has had any vaccinations & she has seasonal & food allergies & ADD.  The 2nd probably has ADD in addition to multiple food allergies. The third, I can't tell.  I feel certain that had the younger two had any shots, they'd be injured or worse.  The youngest can't eat more than he can.  I had all the standard immunizations for a child growing up in the 70s & 80s & I believe they contributed to my lack of health (I was also born via surgery, artificially fed from the first feeding, had loads of abx as a child & ate SAD until about 11 years ago) that I have passed onto my children.  So, a child who has autism or any other lack-of-gut-health malady, it's a combination of factors, but vaccines are not the only way to end up w/ autism.

 

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Do you have links to case reports of unvaccinated children who develop regressive autism (losing skills overnight)?  I have not seen any.


Interesting how you phrased your second sentence.  Most of the pro-vaxxers insist that it's never the vaccinations, except when it is --  like Ryan Mojabi, Emily Moller, Hannah Poling, Bailey Banks, whose cases of vaccine-induced regressive autism were all conceded and compensated by the US Department of Health and Human Services.


It's worth noting that Ryan's and Emily's cases were conceded and compensated only a year ago.

 

The children I know have not been written up in journals. But I know them personally. And they have autism. And they are unvaccinated. 


 
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The children I know have not been written up in journals. But I know them personally. And they have autism. And they are unvaccinated. 

 

I believe you--I'm sure there are some out there!

Do you mind if I ask some more questions about them?

 

Do they specifically have REGRESSIVE autism?  They were developing normally and suddenly lost speech and other skills sometime during their second year? Or did they have developmental issues all along?  Do you happen to know if the mom breastfed, and if so, for how long? 

 

Also, if you know the family, did the mother happen to have dental work done during pregnancy, and/or was she given Rhogam during her pregnancy (I 'm assuming the children are in the same family?  Or not?).

 

I'm not doubting you at all.  I'm asking out of curiosity.  I've met a lot of parents (IRL) of autistic kids, and haven't met one yet whose autistic kid was completely unvaccinated. The only one who came close was someone who said that her child was unvaccinated--and it turned out that he did receive all scheduled vaccines up until it was time for the MMR, and THEN she stopped.  And she called that "unvaccinated."

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In the one situation there were no vaccinations of any kind and yes it was regressive autism. The parents were role models for us; had turned us on to home birth, not vaccinating, etc. One of the parents is a holistic health professional with lifelong interest in natural health. Very good nutrition, the latest in holistic health for the whole family. I am not sure if the mom had any dental work; I doubt it because their whole philosophy was natural health and healing. The mom breastfed at least until age 2, all her children (I wasn't paying attention after that, could have been longer). 

 

 I believe the grieving process was that much worse because in their minds they had done everything "right," and still had a child with very significant ASD. 

 

It has shaken things for me as well, because most other situations I have known with children on the spectrum, there was the standard vaccine schedule. 

 

I don't know a lot of details of the other situations as deeply as I do the one I have described. 


 
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Very interesting, thanks for responding.

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 I believe the grieving process was that much worse because in their minds they had done everything "right," and still had a child with very significant ASD. 

 

I find this interesting.  See, I find comfort in knowing I have done everything I could.  I would feel very guilty if I felt my actions contributed to my childs difficulty.

 

True example:  My first was born and was stressed out from labour.  I think my labour was somewhat mismanaged and I did a lousy job of setting up a good birth team, advocating for myself, etc. I felt tremendous guilt over his stress.  

 

OTOH, my youngest ended up with a birth defect, and spent the first 10 days of her life in the NICU.  I have no guilt over that, and actually only feel pride that I was able to give her the best start in life through doing my best during pregnancy and birth.

 

Bad stuff happens - and sometimes it happens to you.  Our actions cannot always change that - but I like to know I did my best to stack the deck in their favour.


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I've been in both situations.

I remember feeling terribly angry after my miscarriage, especially knowing that women who drank, smoked, did drugs, etc., still managed to carry a child to term, while I did "everything right" and still wound up miscarrying.

But that was far, far easier than realizing that my children had vaccine reactions because I foolishly trusted that the doctor/nurse knew enough about vaccine reaction to address one when it happened, and to prevent further reactions down the line. Yes, a good part of the responsibility goes to them, becauSe they DIDN'T know, and they should have--but ultimately, I had the power to say no, and didn't until damage was already done.

There seems to be a common misunderstanding that parents if vaccine-injured children are looking for someone or something to blame. I think most people don't realize the load of guilt parents carry around when they realize that a procedure they agreed to ended up harming their child, and that what is most important to the parent (after making sure that their child is taken care of) is to prevent the same harm from happening to someone else's child.
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Bad stuff happens - and sometimes it happens to you.  Our actions cannot always change that - but I like to know I did my best to stack the deck in their favour.

 

Yes. My friends did everything to stack the deck in their favor. Superior nutrition, home birth, no vaccinations, chiropractic care from birth. I didn't say they felt guilty. Shocked, powerless, angry maybe....because they did all the right things, and their child developed autism anyway. It defied everything they believed about wellness at that time. 


 
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Yes. My friends did everything to stack the deck in their favor. Superior nutrition, home birth, no vaccinations, chiropractic care from birth. I didn't say they felt guilty. Shocked, powerless, angry maybe....because they did all the right things, and their child developed autism anyway. It defied everything they believed about wellness at that time. 

 

So has their theory about what causes autism changed?  I'm just really curious.  

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I'm not really sure. The parents did not stay together and it's kind of a sensitive subject. 


 
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Germline exposures.

 

http://prenatalexposures.blogspot.com/p/research-on-germline-exposure.html

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