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Saw this on CNN this morning and thought it was pretty interesting/possibly concerning. 

 

"Doctors are looking for more information about a "polio-like syndrome" that has caused paralysis in a few children in California. Neurologists have identified five patients who developed paralysis in one or more of their limbs between August 2012 and July 2013. All five children had been vaccinated against the poliovirus. Treatment did not seem to help the children regain their motor function.Samples from two of the children tested positive for enterovirus 68, a rare virus that has been linked to severe respiratory illness in the past. " 

 

http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/24/health/mystery-illness-in-california/


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It's interesting news, but what exactly are we supposed to debate?

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It's interesting news, but what exactly are we supposed to debate?


The same old! How it's all about non- vaccers!!!eyesroll.gif
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...because according to the stellar comments, it's the fault of the non-vaxxers. They didn't vax and hence the polio virus mutated and created this new strain. Obviously a total fabrication as the illnesses of those poor children were caused by an entirely different virus (which merely belongs to the same viral family). But whatever, let's blame Jenny McCarthy and the non-vaxxers.

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It's interesting news, but what exactly are we supposed to debate?

 

Guess it's just more of a general discussion shrug.gif

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How awful for these children and their families. I don't think their suffering should be used to debate when it has nothing to do with vax vs. non-vax...
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...because according to the stellar comments, it's the fault of the non-vaxxers. They didn't vax and hence the polio virus mutated and created this new strain. Obviously a total fabrication as the illnesses of those poor children were caused by an entirely different virus (which merely belongs to the same viral family). But whatever, let's blame Jenny McCarthy and the non-vaxxers.

 

Where does it say that? 


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How awful for these children and their families. I don't think their suffering should be used to debate when it has nothing to do with vax vs. non-vax...

this should have been posted under illness, never with  vaccinations unless ones thinks this is somehow connected, it certainly comes off as the usually blame game type propaganda IMO :eyesroll 

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Oh for Pete's sake.  

 

You guys get worked up over the silliest things.   

 

I thought it was an interesting story.  Mods can delete it if they want. 


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Oh for Pete's sake.  

 

You guys get worked up over the silliest things.   

 

I thought it was an interesting story.  Mods can delete it if they want. 


I think it's worth having a general discussion about these cases; I think it would be better to move it than to delete it.

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Where does it say that? 


The ever so educated comments on such articles. Sadly many readers felt compelled to comment on how vaccine critics and good ole Jenny are the root cause of the new disease.....

 

And yes, I dunno how this relates to vaccines (apart from the ignorant commenters on the news website). Could the mods move it to another forum?

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this should have been posted under illness, never with  vaccinations unless ones thinks this is somehow connected, it certainly comes off as the usually blame game type propaganda IMO eyesroll.gif  
The same story is posted on the INV board - is it ok to discuss there?
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I think it's worth having a general discussion about these cases; I think it would be better to move it than to delete it.
I agree. This has nothing to do with vaccines and would maybe be better suited for the general health board.
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The same story is posted on the INV board - is it ok to discuss there?

this was posted in a section for support

 

this thread was posted in DEBATE - what are you debating regarding vaccines and this story?

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The same story is posted on the INV board - is it ok to discuss there?

Well, yeah, because we are discussing how we are being unfairly blamed for this disease.

And Teacozy, give me a break. You absolutely knew our silly little heads would be bothered by this. That's why you posted it. We are not so foolish as to think otherwise.
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this was posted in a section for support

this thread was posted in DEBATE - what are you debating regarding vaccines and this story?

I already stated that I felt this story didnt belong here and was better suited on the general health forum.

You were the one who stated that this story didn't belong with vaccine discussion:
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I was just curious why you stated that this story never have been posted with vaccinations when you are clearly posting on the other thread. Did you mean that it didn't belong in debate because I would agree with that statement.
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Well, yeah, because we are discussing how we are being unfairly blamed for this disease.

I understand this point - didn't read the comments on the article so I'm not certain what was said.

I agree this doesn't belong here in debate, but I have no disagreement with the opinion that it is an appropriate topic for INV.
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I already stated that I felt this story didnt belong here and was better suited on the general health forum.

You were the one who stated that this story didn't belong with vaccine discussion:


I was just curious why you stated that this story never have been posted with vaccinations when you are clearly posting on the other thread. Did you mean that it didn't belong in debate because I would agree with that statement.

did you bother to read my whole post or only some of it?              unless ones thinks this is somehow connected, it certainly comes off as the usually blame game type propaganda IMO :eyesroll

 

 

 

AND if you bothered to read what I posted in the INV section you would have read this part (or should have)

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why is 25 OK in this case but when we get 1 or GASP! 2 measles we go nuclear? 25 whopping cough cases and we are almost ready to burn non-vaccers at the stake! :irked

that is a large part of the comments I have read too - about 50-50, it's the NON-vaccers and those (fill in the blank word) immigrants! predictable and still sick, sick, sick comments!  :irked

 

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this should have been posted under illness, never with  vaccinations unless ones thinks this is somehow connected, it certainly comes off as the usually blame game type propaganda IMO :eyesroll 

 

 

 

ETA-since Teacozy posted it here, I assume she must have thought this had something to do with vaccines, why would it be posted here? Clearly this was not about cooking or breast feeding or TV, thus my comments - why lump this with vaccines unless you somehow connect it? :irked 

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And Teacozy, give me a break. You absolutely knew our silly little heads would be bothered by this. That's why you posted it. We are not so foolish as to think otherwise.

 

You're 100% wrong.  I absolutely had no idea that people would get upset over this topic. 

 

I mean, the part I posted says that the children were vaccinated against polio.  How on earth is this me trying to spin this to blame non vaccinated people?  That makes no sense.  Nothing in the article said anything about unvaccinated children either. You are just looking for things to get worked up over.  

 

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You're 100% wrong.  I absolutely had no idea that people would get upset over this topic. 

 

I mean, the part I posted says that the children were vaccinated against polio.  How on earth is this me trying to spin this to blame non vaccinated people?  That makes no sense.  Nothing in the article said anything about unvaccinated children either. You are just looking for things to get worked up over.  

 

I call it "manufactored outrage" 

IF you didn't intend it to be connect to vaccines why post it here?

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You're 100% wrong.  I absolutely had no idea that people would get upset over this topic. 

 

I mean, the part I posted says that the children were vaccinated against polio.  How on earth is this me trying to spin this to blame non vaccinated people?  That makes no sense.  Nothing in the article said anything about unvaccinated children either. You are just looking for things to get worked up over.  

 

I call it "manufactored outrage" 

No.

 

The comments under the article are offensive to non-vaxxers (as usual).

 

Hardly half a page down someone called non vaxxers "anti-vax nuts"  a tiny bit further along NVers are called idiots.

 

It would be like if I posted an article, and embedded in the comments were ad hominem attacks against pro-vaxxers.  Pro-vaxxers might be a tad annoyed, and it would be justifiable.  At best you goofed and did not realise  what you were posting, at worse you are pot stirring.  We do not know which, you can clarify if you like.  

 

Either way, it is not manufactured outrage.  

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No.

 

The comments under the article are offensive to non-vaxxers (as usual).

 

Hardly half a page down someone called non vaxxers "anti-vax nut jobs."

 

It would be like if I posted an article, and embedded in the comments were ad hominem attacks against pro-vaxxers.  Pro-vaxxers might be a tad annoyed, and it would be justifiable.  At best you goofed and did not realise you what you were posting, at worse you are pot stirring.  We do not know which, you can clarify if you like.  

 

Either way, it is not manufactured outrage.  

 

I haven't read the comments but even if I had, I was unaware that there was a rule that you couldn't post a news story/article about vaccines/diseases unless the comments at the bottom were nice. 

 

I mean seriously? That would pretty much take out 99% of any article or story about vaccines.   If people are saying the comments are nasty, then don't read them!  

 

Virtually ANY article about vaccines is going to have rude/offensive comments from BOTH sides. 

 

This is really SO silly.  I posted a neutral article that said absolutely nothing about unvaccinated children or even hinted at them, but I'm apparently stirring the pot because strangers in the comment section on CNN aren't being nice? Even though I mentioned absolutely nothing about them in the OP at all? Am I getting this right? 

 

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I just started a fresh thread over in child & teen health.  I'm hoping it's a better spot for it.

 

http://www.mothering.com/community/t/1398043/polio-like-illness-emerging-in-california

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I haven't read the comments but even if I had, I was unaware that there was a rule that you couldn't post a news story/article about vaccines/diseases unless the comments at the bottom were nice. 

 

I mean seriously? That would pretty much take out 99% of any article or story about vaccines.   If people are saying the comments are nasty, then don't read them!  

 

Virtually ANY article about vaccines is going to have rude/offensive comments from BOTH sides. 

 

This is really SO silly.  I posted a neutral article that said absolutely nothing about unvaccinated children or even hinted at them, but I'm apparently stirring the pot because strangers in the comment section on CNN aren't being nice? Even though I mentioned absolutely nothing about them in the OP at all? Am I getting this right? NO you are not!

 

Wow. 

again, you failed to answer my question

 

 

IMO comes off as a dig at those who do not vaccinate but since you failed to address my question, I will still assume this was some how connected to vaccines, why post in this section if it wasn't?

 

 

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Well, keeping it strictly on topic…I am not overly concerned.  Diseases arrive, then die.  They ebb and flow.  Many amount to no more than a blip (although they are not blips to their families - and I wish them nothing but the best). Time will tell if this is a big deal on a grand scale or not.   We cannot eradicate diseases as a whole. That is not how we are built.


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 Diseases arrive, then die.  They ebb and flow.  ... Time will tell if this is a big deal on a grand scale or not.   We cannot eradicate diseases as a whole. That is not how we are built.

Precisely. Dr Mendelsohn said that in one of his lectures. Excellent point.

 

Meanwhile I am busy reading an oldie but a goodie, Paul, John R. A History of Poliomyelitis New Haven, Yale University Press. 1971. 486 p. Dewey Decimal Call Number 616.835.

 

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This is interesting from http://news.yahoo.com/polio-disease-appears-california-children-074000774.html?bcmt_s=m#ugccmt-container

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 Dr Keith Van Haren, who diagnosed Sofia, said polio vaccines do not protect children from the disease, but he stressed that it is still important for children to receive that vaccine.

What the heck does that mean? Why get any vaccine if it is not going to protect a child from a disease?  WTF!?

 

And, BTW, I am old enough to remember that the first cases of polio in the early 1950s were in the SF Bay Area.

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The polio vaccine does not protect children from this "polio-like" disease.  The polio vaccine protects against actual polio.

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The polio vaccine does not protect children from this "polio-like" disease.  The polio vaccine protects against actual polio.

have no fear, I'm sure we can get another vaccine for enterovirus 68 soon!

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