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But it does prove that not all events which might happen to an infant in the 2 weeks following a vaccination have to be related to that vaccination.....

Of course.

 

What is important is the rate of xyz in a vaccinated infant in a period after vaccination versus the rate of xyz in an unvaccinated infant in the same period…however we often do not have the rate of xyz in unvaccinated individuals as that is considered unethical, so …….


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There also has to be plausibility.  Even if one vaccinated infant died in a car crash and no unvaccinated infants died in car crashes, you can't correlate vaccines and car crashes.


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But it does prove that not all events which might happen to an infant in the 2 weeks following a vaccination have to be related to that vaccination.....

 

If you're going to bring up events 2 weeks post-vaccination, let's remember that the MMR can cause seizures 2 weeks post-vaccination.  Even Merck admits to that.  Encephalopathy that occurs 5-15 days after MMR is considered a table injury--A KNOWN ADVERSE EFFECt OF VACCINATION.

 

"Encephalitis is inflammation of the brain that occurs when a virus directly infects the brain or when a virus or something else triggers inflammation . . . Encephalitis can occur in the following ways: A virus directly infects the brain. A virus that caused an infection in the past becomes reactivated and directly damages the brain. A virus or vaccine triggers a reaction that makes the immune system attack brain tissue (an autoimmune reaction) [emphasis added]."  http://www.merckmanuals.com/home/brain_spinal_cord_and_nerve_disorders/brain_infections/encephalitis.html

 

There is a lot of good discussion on the subject here:  http://therefusers.com/refusers-newsroom/the-medical-textbook-definition-of-a-vaccine-adverse-reaction-brain-infection-merck-manual/#.U2w9BF42zwI 

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Wait. 

 

Are we seriously discussing whether or not a vaccine caused an infant to accidentally drown two weeks later?   Wow. 

 

As one person put it:  It's always the vaccine. It's never NOT the vaccine. 


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... or as doctors, pediatricians, and the drug companies always put it:  "It is NEVER the vaccine. Vaccines do NOT do that."

 

Somewhere in the middle is the one definitive answer.

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I believe vaccine reactions do happen.  I do not believe that accidental drownings or fatal car crashes are vaccine reactions.


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For fatal car crashes, HPV has been given to girls who drive away from the doctors' office and have a car crash because they FAINTED behind the wheel while driving.

 

VAERS has a few of these listed.

Fainting, syncopy, is  a well-known, drug company-listed, side effect of the vaccine. 

Doctors are admonished in the prescribing literature to observe the person after they received the vaccine to watch for syncopy, fainting, but do they read it?


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The package insert that discussed fatal car crashes was for an infant vaccine.

 

And yes, my daughter was monitored after her HPV vaxes.


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Of course your doctor watched your daughter, but your doctor is not every doctor. VAERS does have car crashes listed as cause of death post-HPV because NOT ALL doctors follow instructions.

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Wait. 

 

Are we seriously discussing whether or not a vaccine caused an infant to accidentally drown two weeks later?   Wow. 

 

As one person put it:  It's always the vaccine. It's never NOT the vaccine. 

If a vaccine can take up to two weeks in some cases to even "work" why can't a reaction happen later?

 

What is the cut off time? 24 hours, 48, 36? or only instantly? Since meds have longer time, why isn't that also true for vaccines. You certainly are not saying vaccines protect you instantly, are you?

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