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Or at least it sounded that way, in the "Invisible Threat" trailer.

http://vimeo.com/64521691 at 2:40

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Or at least it sounded that way, in the "Invisible Threat" trailer.

http://vimeo.com/64521691 at 2:40

just EVIL?            http://articles.philly.com/2013-05-10/news/39144680_1_child-abuse-neglect-first-century-gospel

 

In my state, where he also resides, he wants us lumped into the likes of child molesters/he labels us as abusers!

 

 

For example, Senate Bill 20 makes it clear that any adult who "causes serious bodily injury," either by "kicking, biting, stabbing, cutting, or throwing a child," or "forcefully shakes or slaps a child under one year of age," or "causes serious physical neglect," or "causes a child to be near a methamphetamine lab," or "operates a vehicle in which a child is a passenger while driving under the influence of alcohol," has committed child abuse.

 

 Children whose parents hold certain religious beliefs shouldn't be afforded less protection than other children.

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duh.gif This from a man who argues that the Willowbrook Experiments, (and other experiments on what seriously calls "retarded children"), are ethically acceptable. Wow. I don't think I'll look to Offit as a credible judge of what is "evil."

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Here is an excellent article by David Mihalovic on Invisible Threat and its industry ties, this is no student film as it is being portrayed, it is clearly pro-vax propadanda.

 

http://preventdisease.com/news/14/043014-When-It-Comes-To-Vaccine-Safety-Always-Follow-The-Money.shtml

 

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Although promoted as "unbiased" and "balanced," Invisible Threat is "scripted with industry talking points," according to Teri Arranga, executive director of AutismOne. Based on her viewing of the trailer, "the film appears to downplay the side effects of vaccines, which range from neurodevelopmental disorders to seizures to death." Arranga continued, "There is no controversy that vaccines can cause injury, a fact incorporated into U.S. law and policy by the enactment of the 1986 National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act."
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You heard right.

 

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"they think doctors are evil, pharmaceutical companies are evil, well frankly, I think they are evil"

 

ugh.

 

Methinks it is personal with him ;)


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So, Paul Offit, the Chief, Division of Infectious Diseases Director, Vaccine Education Center of CHOP, has made the statement that a certain group of people are evil?? Um, would this be ok if he said that about ANY OTHER GROUP????? Is there a type of legal action that can be taken here? Do his beliefs interfere with his work at the hospital, and treatment of patients in any way?


 
 
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So, Paul Offit, the Chief, Division of Infectious Diseases Director, Vaccine Education Center of CHOP, has made the statement that a certain group of people are evil?? Um, would this be ok if he said that about ANY OTHER GROUP????? Is there a type of legal action that can be taken here? Do his beliefs interfere with his work at the hospital, and treatment of patients in any way?

We can be guaranteed if it was a racially motivated statement instead that was made, he would have been crucified.  But, since he singles out a subgroup of people, it's socially acceptable, esp considering the subject is vaccines.  

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We can be guaranteed if it was a racially motivated statement instead that was made, he would have been crucified.  But, since he singles out a subgroup of people, it's socially acceptable, esp considering the subject is vaccines.  


I agree with you, and it's a shame! What if he called people evil for circumcising? Lawsuits would be filed for sure. Circumcising is a religious belief, and not vaccinating can also be considered a religious belief.


 
 
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He is related to Amanda Peete by marriage; she has called non-vaxers parasites.

 

Since it is a Hollywood marriage, I wonder if she will continue to hold that opinion that if and when her marriage ends.

 

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 duh.gif This from a man who argues that the Willowbrook Experiments, (and other experiments on what seriously calls "retarded children"), are ethically acceptable. Wow. I don't think I'll look to Offit as a credible judge of what is "evil."

In her book, A Stolen Life, Marge Grant hints that many of the children at Willowbrook were victims of vaccine damage. The Hep B vaccine was developed through the many experiments there.

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I thought AP was related to a paediatrician or researcher under Offit's wing, not Offit himself.

 

I'm still trying to get over the fact that AP is married to one of the producers of Game of Thrones.jaw2.gif

 

She thinks vaccines are cures and in spite of her zeal for vaccines her daughter got pertussis.  

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OK, I could be wrong on that factoid, very definitely.

 

But my point is, she is linked to him by marriage, and when that marriage is dissolved, ... no more links to Offit.

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From Mirzam's link above:

 

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 Adding to the film's controversy, Mr. Green has been accused of filming autistic children and their parents "under false pretenses." Autism expert and pediatrician Dr. Centers said he and parents of his patients were misled to believe the purpose of the film was for students to learn about autism. "Only one student attended the shoot, and he participated very little," said Centers. "I don't think the student realized this was a vaccine propaganda film run by adults and that he was being used to gain entry to my office, my practice, my patients and their parents." Dr. Centers later learned that Dr. Paul Offit -- ECBT board member and millionaire vaccine developer for Merck, - is listed as the film's "Scientific Technical Advisor."

Another propaganda film, so what?

 

But if they were just using these students and if they got access to autism families through false pretences then their feet should be held to the fire.  

Imagine how those kids will feel once they figure out they were pawns.

Wait to see what happens when the siblings and extended family members of children harmed by vaccines grow up and become a driving consumer demographic.  It's probably why they are pushing so hard right now:  The writing is on the wall, their days are numbered.


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He is related to Amanda Peete by marriage; she has called non-vaxers parasites.

 

Since it is a Hollywood marriage, I wonder if she will continue to hold that opinion that if and when her marriage ends.

 

In her book, A Stolen Life, Marge Grant hints that many of the children at Willowbrook were victims of vaccine damage. The Hep B vaccine was developed through the many experiments there.

 



A lot of Americans have heard of the Tuskeegee experiments, but I don't think nearly as many or enough know about Wilowbrook:

http://www.qcc.cuny.edu/socialsciences/ppecorino/MEDICAL_ETHICS_TEXT/Chapter_7_Human_Experimentation/Case_Study_Willowbrook_Experiments.htm

In his biography of vaccine developer Maurice Hilleman, Vaccinated, Offit is all rah-rah in defending these experiments. Since he's mainstream media's go-to darling for all-things-vaccine, it's critically important that the word get out about just how extremist some of his views are. :-(

Utilitarian views like this toward humanity, especially the most vulnerable among us, send shivers up my spine. Had Willowbrook happened to regular classroom of normally developed school children, maybe one or two kids of people in Congress, and in an upper crest community, hell would have broken loose. The institutionalized intellectually disabled? Gee, that's justifiable. irked.gif
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At Willowbrook,

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 early subjects were fed extracts of stools from infected individuals and later subjects received injections of more purified virus preparations.

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 This study generated a variety of concerns, such as the deliberate infection of the children and the attempts to convince the* parents to enroll them in the study in exchange for admission to the hospital (which was deliberately short of space).

 

http://www.und.edu/instruct/wstevens/PROPOSALCLASS/MARSDEN&MELANDER2.htm

 

And he calls non-vaxxers evil. Really?

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RFK visited Willowbrook in 1965.

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Those conditions continued until September 1987 when Willowbrook was closed, 25 years later.

 

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In doing her research, Marge Grant found many other families across the country whose children has suffered brain damage from the Quadrigen vaccine, made by ParkeDavis which is now part of Pfizer.

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He is related to Amanda Peete by marriage; she has called non-vaxers parasites.

 

Since it is a Hollywood marriage, I wonder if she will continue to hold that opinion that if and when her marriage ends.

 

In her book, A Stolen Life, Marge Grant hints that many of the children at Willowbrook were victims of vaccine damage. The Hep B vaccine was developed through the many experiments there.

 



A lot of Americans have heard of the Tuskeegee experiments, but I don't think nearly as many or enough know about Wilowbrook:

http://www.qcc.cuny.edu/socialsciences/ppecorino/MEDICAL_ETHICS_TEXT/Chapter_7_Human_Experimentation/Case_Study_Willowbrook_Experiments.htm

In his biography of vaccine developer Maurice Hilleman, Vaccinated, Offit is all rah-rah in defending these experiments. Since he's mainstream media's go-to darling for all-things-vaccine, it's critically important that the word get out about just how extremist some of his views are. :-(

Utilitarian views like this toward humanity, especially the most vulnerable among us, send shivers up my spine. Had Willowbrook happened to regular classroom of normally developed school children, maybe one or two kids of people in Congress, and in an upper crest community, hell would have broken loose. The institutionalized intellectually disabled? Gee, that's justifiable. irked.gif

 

Evidence that he is "rah rah" about Willowbrook experiments?   From his book "The Cutter incident" page 36 : 

 

"Although repugnant by today's standards,  Salk's decision to inoculate retarded children with his vaccine wasn't unusual.  While Salk was studying retarded children at the Polk School, studies were being performed at an institution called Willowbrook State School that later made the gentle word Willowbrook synonymous with cruel and unethical medical experiments.

 

http://books.google.com/books?id=JumHQwdeAd0C&pg=PA36&lpg=PA36&dq=paul+offit+and+willowbrook&source=bl&ots=xc4LmTKilN&sig=5fSrIXN2YvV78C0IWN8P6Uab84k&hl=en&sa=X&ei=7Y5lU5_zJs2ayASxiYKQBg&ved=0CEgQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=paul%20offit%20and%20willowbrook&f=false

 

That doesn't sound like he's "rah rah" about these kinds of experiments at all. 

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Evidence that he is "rah rah" about Willowbrook experiments?   From his book "The Cutter incident" page 36 : 

 

"Although repugnant by today's standards,  Salk's decision to inoculate retarded children with his vaccine wasn't unusual.  While Salk was studying retarded children at the Polk School, studies were being performed at an institution called Willowbrook State School that later made the gentle word Willowbrook synonymous with cruel and unethical medical experiments.

 

http://books.google.com/books?id=JumHQwdeAd0C&pg=PA36&lpg=PA36&dq=paul+offit+and+willowbrook&source=bl&ots=xc4LmTKilN&sig=5fSrIXN2YvV78C0IWN8P6Uab84k&hl=en&sa=X&ei=7Y5lU5_zJs2ayASxiYKQBg&ved=0CEgQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=paul%20offit%20and%20willowbrook&f=false

 

That doesn't sound like he's "rah rah" about these kinds of experiments at all. 

 



If you read that passage carefully that you cited, he's careful not to criticize these experiments. Actually, those practices were considered repugnant by *yesterday's* standards, as well, and came under sharp criticism immediately after hey were unveiled. Applejuice's reference to RFK is a prime example.

As to the evidence, I didn't see a freebie online, so you'll have to get a hold of a copy: http://www.amazon.com/Vaccinated-Defeat-Worlds-Deadliest-Diseases/dp/006122796X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1399175326&sr=1-1&keywords=vaccinated

(That's what we had to do before the days of the Internet...cite books and wonder if anyone bothered to look!)

Anyway, Offit unequivocally makes Krugman out to be a victim and concludes that "humanity has benefited from his work."

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Evidence that he is "rah rah" about Willowbrook experiments?   From his book "The Cutter incident" page 36 : 

 

"Although repugnant by today's standards,  Salk's decision to inoculate retarded children with his vaccine wasn't unusual.  While Salk was studying retarded children at the Polk School, studies were being performed at an institution called Willowbrook State School that later made the gentle word Willowbrook synonymous with cruel and unethical medical experiments.

 

http://books.google.com/books?id=JumHQwdeAd0C&pg=PA36&lpg=PA36&dq=paul+offit+and+willowbrook&source=bl&ots=xc4LmTKilN&sig=5fSrIXN2YvV78C0IWN8P6Uab84k&hl=en&sa=X&ei=7Y5lU5_zJs2ayASxiYKQBg&ved=0CEgQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=paul%20offit%20and%20willowbrook&f=false

 

That doesn't sound like he's "rah rah" about these kinds of experiments at all. 

 



If you read that passage carefully that you cited, he's careful not to criticize these experiments. Actually, those practices were considered repugnant by *yesterday's* standards, as well, and came under sharp criticism immediately after hey were unveiled. Applejuice's reference to RFK is a prime example.

As to the evidence, I didn't see a freebie online, so you'll have to get a hold of a copy: http://www.amazon.com/Vaccinated-Defeat-Worlds-Deadliest-Diseases/dp/006122796X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1399175326&sr=1-1&keywords=vaccinated

(That's what we had to do before the days of the Internet...cite books and wonder if anyone bothered to look!)

Anyway, Offit unequivocally makes Krugman out to be a victim and concludes that "humanity has benefited from his work."

 

Willowbrook was unethical even during that time, but from everything I've read about the Salk vaccine trials, him testing them on the mentally disabled was not uncommon or considered unethical during that period. 

 

If you don't consider Offit using words like "cruel", "unethical", and "repugnant" to describe these experiments as him being critical of them, well I guess I don't know what to say.   Your definition of critical must be very different from mine. 


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I don't know why they are pretending like it doesn't happen in the here and now.

 

I believe there was a vaccine (for HIV?) that was administered to children at an orphanage within the last 20-30 years.

And there is the Justine Pelletier case.  Taken from her parents and not only had her mitochondrial treatment halted but I believe she was put on psychotropic meds.

Then there was Maryanne Godboldo's daughter, taken by SWAT team from her mother, and I IIRC, given the HPV vax and put on psychotropic meds.

The high percentage of foster children prescribed medications.

And of course there are all the trials done in third world countries.

Drugs given Off label to children when there were no studies done on children.

 

Of course Offit believes that infants could handle 100,000+ vaccines, so..............


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There was a trial in the Argentine not too long ago in which parents were lied to about the nature of experimental vaccines; 14 babies died. GSK and the doctors were fined.

 

http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2013/05/29/gsk-fined-14-babies-died-in-illegal-vaccine-experiments/

http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/88922/gsk-fined-over-vaccine-trials-14--babies-reported-dead

http://www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/news/newsgsk-fined-over-controversial-vaccine-trials-on-argentinean-babies


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Willowbrook was unethical even during that time, but from everything I've read about the Salk vaccine trials, him testing them on the mentally disabled was not uncommon or considered unethical during that period. 

 

If you don't consider Offit using words like "cruel", "unethical", and "repugnant" to describe these experiments as him being critical of them, well I guess I don't know what to say.   Your definition of critical must be very different from mine. 

 



I'm talking about Willowbrook, not Salk. But just so you know, Salk conducted his trials in 1954. The hepatitis trials at Willowbrook began in 1955. http://science.education.nih.gov/supplements/nih9/bioethics/guide/pdf/Master_5-4.pdf

Offit actually said "they became synonymous with cruel and unethical medical treatments." It doesn't mean that they became synonymous to that *for him,* just for society at large. Offit himself is pretty open to this kind of experimentation, something you'd know if you would consider the book that I cited for you.

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Since this is a thread about Offit and I don't think he's commented on any of these trials, (not that I know of), we may be veering off-topic. But for anyone interested, the Alliance for Human Research Protection (AHRP) documents unethical research cases. http://www.ahrp.org/cms/content/view/18/87/
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Also on this thread's topic, is it an act of EVIL not to follow the vaccine schedule? I'm wondering how many pro-vaxxers Offit represents in saying that?
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I don't care what he thinks. He's a zealot and that makes him lose any credibility in my eyes.

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Turquesa - perhaps you could quote (up to 100 words allowed) the part of the book where Offitt says he things unethical and illegals medical trials are a good idea. Teacozy quotes him saying their repungnant.... So I'm confused.

I don't think delaying vaccines is evil. I think it can be misguided, and it is often (likely unintentionally) selfish, as it's allowing your children to be protected by the immunity of others. It's a good thing that worlds for the children who cannot be vaccinated.

I get that you would think Paul Offit is evil if you firmly believe vaccines are dangerous and he's lying to make money off them. The reality is he's a public face for the mainstream, well evidenced opinion that vaccines are very safe. Because he does that he gets hate mail and death threats. Furthermore the vaccine he helped to develop saves 100s of lives a day (mostly children in the developing world). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Offit

That's not my definition of an evil man.
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PSM, you are stepping on shakey UA ground here calling those who choose to delay vaccines as selfish and  misguided. You, yourself, are in fact a delayer, as the UK vaccine schedule is not the same as the US ,and if you were living in Sweden, Iceland, Norway, Finland (the list goes on), and followed your country's recommendations, you would be consider quite a radical select/delayed vaxxer.

 

When you compare Paul Offit's knowledge of vaccine science to some of the experts out there, he actually comes up short, way short. 


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Meh, I think the meaning of the word EVIL is subjective.  

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Meh, I think the meaning of the word EVIL is subjective.  

yet throughout history some have seen certain people as evil yet others see them as not, many of them also where doctors that I am thinking of

 

evilhttp://www.philly.com/philly/health/topics/HealthDay687490_20140505_Whooping_Cough_Vaccination_During_Pregnancy_Seems_Safe__Study.html

 

IMO - totally fits the description in this case for me!


 

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yet throughout history some have seen certain people as evil yet others see them as not, many of them also where doctors that I am thinking of

 

evilhttp://www.philly.com/philly/health/topics/HealthDay687490_20140505_Whooping_Cough_Vaccination_During_Pregnancy_Seems_Safe__Study.html

 

IMO - totally fits the description in this case for me!

 

 

 

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