Just a quick current event that I'm experiencing today:
We are visiting some family down in North Carolina. When we got here, we found out that our relative's family (who have 11 children) is going through whooping cough. They vaccinated the first few kids and became non-vaxxers later in the process. The quick version of the story is that the second-to-oldest son had a friend who was dealing with a nasty cough - found to be pertussis. Both the boys were vaccinated. Boy #1
with pertussis and Boy #2
, our relative. Before long, Boy #2
had the cough and began giving it to his siblings and parents. The parents were vaccinated. All but two of the family members got it. The two that did not get it were not vaccinated. 50% of the rest were vaccinated. They are on the tail end of the sickness now.
When being interviewed by the Dept. of Health, these above facts were given. The Department of Health chose to file the paperwork stating that the origin of infection was in the next oldest boy who #1
got it and #2
had not been vaccinated. WHY. You tell me. The mother I was talking to was furious about this blatant manipulation. We can't always believe statistics.
I happen to come from a HUGE family (over 100 people) in which nobody vaccinates. There have never been outbreaks of whooping cough, measles, anything of the sort, other than standard chicken pox or roseola even though others in the local community had had issues with it. I'm not trying to draw any conclusions whatsoever from this, or put this information onto anyone with any other backgrounds or point of view. Just thought I would share. Specifically because growing up, I didn't know anything about vaccines. It wasn't in our culture. Now, I hear all this debate and find it all very interesting.
We grew up around many Amish and Mennonites who also do not vaccinate. None of us would ever 'want' our kids or anyone else's kids to get the illnesses, but knowing what goes into the process of making many vaccines (purely un-ethical) and what side-effects I have seen result from vaccinations, is enough to keep me on the mostly non-vaxxing side of things, for now. I do believe that everything we do and every decision we make should be for the good of our world, our neighbors and for ourselves. I don't understand the argument of 'you and your family' or 'me and mine' type of decision making. In the end, or in the beginning, we are all looking for the same thing, and that is peace and safety. When we all work together and find these safe, ethical, good-for-everyone solutions, that is when the peace comes. So I listen to the debate fully and try to discern motives and seek the middle-way. The vaccinations are obviously not yet perfected in science. New strains of disease, bacteria and virus develop very often. There are major hurdles for scientists to tackle in the coming century. I think that we'll find vaccinations to be a minor concern when antibiotic resistance and super-bacteria is an escalating problem. However, the vaccination topic is timely and must be spoken about. We are given decisions to make for our children and the future of this civilization and that is no joke. The weight of it all does cause much tension. Let's all keep that in mind. I am so glad for the vaccinators who are willing to share. Otherwise, this thread would not be so interesting or informative.
I absolutely would agree to titre testing (because I am certainly not against the medical industry in general) and see the argument that they should (if vaccinations are required) be required for public health information purposes. Having vaccinations without having any further information as to whether they were effective sounds to me like a job half done, if the goal is immunity.