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Old 07-25-2014, 06:59 PM - Thread Starter
 
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Could you? YES If I gave my son the flumist/flu shot and tested him and it showed he was in the X percent who it wasn't effective for would a pediatrician give it to him again that same year? Would a pediatrician give an additional 3rd MMR to my child? Additional polio or hib vaccines that go beyond the amount on the CDC schedule? Is there any evidence that 2 flu vaccines or additional polio vaccines provide significantly better immunity? I seriously doubt they would. They have done it. They would be opening themselves up to a huge can of liability worms if they did so and something went wrong.

I thought you were aware that the CDC is recommending a "booster" polio currently for those traveling to certain countries. - Depending on the child's age and what type they have been given and proof it would determine what is needed. For adults they are clearly saying "booster".
http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/diseases/poliomyelitits
http://www.aafp.org/news/health-of-t...virusupdt.html
http://emergency.cdc.gov/han/han00362.asp
Because of the substantial progress of the polio eradication initiative in 2012–2013, and in order to harmonize CDC recommendations with WHO recommendations, CDC now recommends an adult inactivated poliovirus (IPV) booster dose for travelers to countries with active WPV circulation.



Ah YES! They have already given a 3rd dose of MMR to children.

http://contemporarypediatrics.modern...ne-halts-mumps
An extra dose of measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine given to previously vaccinated children during an intense outbreak of mumps appears to have controlled the spread of the disease.
A third-dose strategy for mumps-containing vaccine would be an effective means of controlling future outbreaks in settings with preexisting, high-but-waning 2-dose coverage, the researchers conclude, but they also point out that the outbreak described in the study could have been peaking before the intervention began. Therefore, their findings do not support routine use of a third dose of mumps vaccine in national vaccination programs.

That does not mean it is not currently happening with the outbreaks going on now in the US, simply means we have not yet been told if they are or are not doing so this time.

http://www.aap.org/en-us/about-the-a...-Outbreak.aspx
More about the 3rd does of MMR (for children, not pregnant women) http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/19/9/13-0299_intro
http://www.medscape.org/viewarticle/773705


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I don't agree that it's hypocritical.

Getting a second MMR when you likely won't need it is not comparable (for the purpose of this discussion) to the choice of not getting the MMR at all. Getting a second unnecessary dose is not putting others or the public at increased risk of disease.

I strongly disagree!

What it does DO is put the "heard" that the PRO vaccine side "claims" they care about in jeopardy.

If you do not have immunity to what ever VPD you have been vaccinated for, you are directly putting others in an even worse situation compared to a un-vaccinated child! The un-vaccinated child is more likely to be removed from a school setting, not the vaccinated child who does not have immunity.


IF you do not know the immunity status you put your child in much greater danger because symptoms of the disease are harder to diagnoses because the "assumption" is made they have been vaccinated. It puts the "heard" in danger because the child would not have immunity is around others and can opening spread the VPD. Why does the PRO side support doing this if one really says they "care" about others?

The un-vaccicated child's parents know what they child does and does not have immunity to by what they have or have not had.

Simply allowing vaccine status to mean assumed immunity is not accurate.

Again, if protection of the "heard" is what is REALLY at stake, not know immunity status effects far more. The PRO side can't claim they care when they have no idea who really is not immune.

 

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Don't have much time to respond today, but Serenbat I quoted the statement that the ACIP does not currently recommend a third MMR dose for anyone except pregnant women. And they don't. There is insufficient data.

"Data are insufficient to recommend for or against the use of a third dose of MMR vaccine for mumps outbreak control. "


http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr6204a1.htm

Kind of puts a damper on the whole idea that the CDC likes to recommend additional vaccines/doses all willy nilly to make profit, though.

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No, I don't think the additional doses are just to make a profit. I think they are an attempt to cover up the failure of the first claims made for the vaccine. Lifelong immunity and all that. They depend on people not remembering way back to 1967 when the measles vaccine (the one that didn't cause atypical measles) was rolled out amidst wild claims that measles would be eliminated in one year.

But doubling the number of doses of a vaccine certainly doesn't hurt profits. See the chickenpox vaccine for a recent example.
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Don't have much time to respond today, but Serenbat I quoted the statement that the ACIP does not currently recommend a third MMR dose for anyone except pregnant women. And they don't. There is insufficient data. That does not mean they did not do so or plan to do so again. Did you read the link I provided that stated that they did do a 3rd dose?

"Data are insufficient to recommend for or against the use of a third dose of MMR vaccine for mumps outbreak control. "


http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr6204a1.htm

Kind of puts a damper on the whole idea that the CDC likes to recommend additional vaccines/doses all willy nilly to make profit, though.
We were not talking about profit but if you want to keep on insisting there is no profit and going OT. But, there happens to be proof of it - the CDC has issued guidelines for giving that 3rd dose!

You said you were unaware, I made you aware, they did do a third dose in 2009 and now as of June they have guidelines. You still think they are not doing more of the polio?

Frankly there are some right now getting vaccines, if you don't have proof of vaccination (as many adults and some children do not) you re-due it. You honestly want to say NO one is getting a third dose ever???

Do you have proof they positively not going to do it?


Here is more from June of 2014 - http://aapnews.aappublications.org/c...5/6/4.extract#

It's hard to copy but it says guidelines have been issued by the CDC for giving the third dose-so they do plan to give it to certain individuals!

never say never!


See more at: http://secure.medicalletter.org/w142....3fc31JlB.dpuf
The CDC recommends considering a third dose of MMR vaccine for control of a mumps outbreak in a highly vaccinated population in a setting with intense exposure, high attack rates, and evidence of ongoing transmission

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/sur...t09-mumps.html

During mumps outbreaks, public health authorities may administer a third dose of MMR vaccine for specifically identified target populations.

Criteria to consider prior to administering a third dose in a target population for mumps outbreak control include:

high two-dose vaccination coverage (i.e., vaccination coverage >90%);
intense exposure settings likely to facilitate transmission (e.g., schools, colleges, correctional facilities, congregate living facilities) or healthcare settings;
high attack rates (i.e., >5 cases per 1,000 population); and evidence of ongoing transmission for at least two weeks in the target population (i.e., population with the high attack rates)
Additional data on the effectiveness and impact of a third dose of MMR vaccine for mumps outbreak control are needed to guide control strategies in future outbreaks. Authorities who decide to administer a third dose as part of mumps outbreak control are encouraged to collect data to evaluate the impact of the intervention.

 

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