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I have it on good authority that over 200 mothers of autistic children are readying a class-action suit. They already have an attorney.

They will sue, at the very least, the authors of the 2004 DeStefano study that claimed there was no link between the MMR vaccine and autism.
CDC whistleblower, watch out; here come the mothers
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CNN ireport back up. CNN is investigating.


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Hopefully now this means we'll hear something direct from the CDC or this Dr Thomas.
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CNN ireport back up. CNN is investigating.
CDC has not come out and denied it.

I the comments! Wonder why it's not being "looked into"??? apparently others wonder too............
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Hopefully now this means we'll hear something direct from the CDC or this Dr Thomas.


YES! I am definitely interested. I still don't like that only bits and pieces are coming out at a time, but as long as it's coming out I guess.

One thing they will not be able to do is make Dr. Thomas out to be a quack (assuming everything is coming from him). That just won't fly with all his credentials and how long he's been at the CDC. No one here has done that yet, but I'm being preemptive.
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Hopefully now this means we'll hear something direct from the CDC or this Dr Thomas.

Call me a cynic, but I think it is just a ploy on the part of CNN because of the huge outrage this censoring of the information caused on social media. They will contact the CDC, the CDC will say there is no truth to the story and CNN will drop it and the CDC will hope that it slips down the memory hole.

William Thompson needs to come out of hiding and speak to the media.
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YES! I am definitely interested. I still don't like that only bits and pieces are coming out at a time, but as long as it's coming out I guess.

One thing they will not be able to do is make Dr. Thomas out to be a quack (assuming everything is coming from him). That just won't fly with all his credentials and how long he's been at the CDC. No one here has done that yet, but I'm being preemptive.
I really think the public deserves to hear the unedited audio that was snipped to make the video. If they think "we" deserve to hear the tidbits from the conversation that are juicy enough to edit into the video, why not release the whole conversation?

What am I missing?
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I really think the public deserves to hear the unedited audio that was snipped to make the video. If they think "we" deserve to hear the tidbits from the conversation that are juicy enough to edit into the video, why not release the whole conversation?

What am I missing?


Everyone has their own agenda and desire for profit/credibility/fame/etc., natural news and Wakefield are not excluded. (and please don't get started on how little they make compared to the CDC/Big Pharma, that's not what I'm talking about); this is rolled out in PR fashion. Sorry not sorry. It's true. I'm interested to see how this all plays out and what other documents/evidence they have.
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I really think the public deserves to hear the unedited audio that was snipped to make the video. If they think "we" deserve to hear the tidbits from the conversation that are juicy enough to edit into the video, why not release the whole conversation?

What am I missing?
But it is Dr Thompson's responsibility to speak out, not Wakefield or Hooker. William Thompson as has a lawyer working with him who's sole responsibility to to protect him legally. Perhaps Dr Hooker has not received Thompson's permission to release all the tapes/information. Rod Schnieder claims he has copies of the official CDC report as stated in a letter to Governor Jerry Brown, he should release those too.

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Call me a cynic, but I think it is just a ploy on the part of CNN because of the huge outrage this censoring of the information caused on social media. They will contact the CDC, the CDC will say there is no truth to the story and CNN will drop it and the CDC will hope that it slips down the memory hole.

William Thomas needs to come out of hiding and speak to the media.
CYNIC!

I hope they deny and deny AND deny it!!!!!!

The best are when someone (or agency) does deny it! Repeatedly is even better. Usually the one holding the cards ever so slowly lays one down, it's called juicy! Several scandals have happened that exact way!

I did not have sex with that.....I am not a crook.....Pharmaceutical scandals have also happened too!

I'm sure damage control isn't even half way worked out yet! BIG things do take time, just like a present, good things are worth the wait!
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Everyone has their own agenda and desire for profit/credibility/fame/etc., natural news and Wakefield are not excluded. (and please don't get started on how little they make compared to the CDC/Big Pharma, that's not what I'm talking about); this is rolled out in PR fashion. Sorry not sorry. It's true. I'm interested to see how this all plays out and what other documents/evidence they have.
You do need to watch the stock market and see where this first appeared (on money sites) - I don't see the media doing a great job on the other recent MONEY related vaccine biggie, but you sure up your base - stockholder! How many even know about the McKesson thing? OR care??? This isn't even close in size to that. Personally I didn't feel the Anthrax lab screw up made much news and frankly this would effect many more!

There is no rush here, in fact one of the greatest tricks is to remain silent and just HOPE it all goes away!!!!!!!!!!! far far away! Many feel when "things hit the fan" IF you just keep quite (out of site out of mind) is the what is viewed as "what you do".

MONEY MONEY MONEY, this would do a number on profiles worldwide, it would effect negatively what is happening with BIG Pharma in other countries, that would be a HUGE global thing, all duck have to be in order prior to ANY statement. This just isn't some US story here.

yahoo - FINANCE section $$$$$$$$$$$ bottom line is bottom $$$$$$$$$$$$$ http://finance.yahoo.com/news/study-...133000584.html it's such a "little" nothing - see who has made post after post on everything they can on this, that's "telling" IMO! VERY telling!!!!!! - the infantry always goes first! squash and quell but with all conflicts BIG ones doesn't seem to do too well, when it's "personal" you fight to the end

ETA- well Yahoo doesn't show your comment when you get BAD ratings! I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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But it is Dr Thompson's responsibility to speak out, not Wakefield or Hooker. William Thompson as has a lawyer working with him who's sole responsibility to to protect him legally. Perhaps Dr Hooker has not received Thompson's permission to release all the tapes/information. Rod Schnieder claims he has copies of the official CDC report as stated in a letter to Governor Jerry Brown, he should release those too.

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Since Wakefield and Hooker already took on the responsibility of releasing Thompson's identity, along with snippets of audio that could possibly have been put in the video out of context, don't they have a responsibility to demonstrate or prove that the video context is accurate?

I agree that Thompson needs to speak out, as well, and that Schnieder needs to release whatever it is he has, too.

Everyone directly involved seems to be giving a great lesson in how NOT to whistle-blow or provide an outlet for whistle-blowers.
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I suspect that the CDC knew who the whistleblower was when the first video was released. According to Jon Rappoport he was escorted from the CDC building the afternoon it was released, so Hooker and Wakefield really had to release it IMO.
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Since Wakefield and Hooker already took on the responsibility of releasing Thompson's identity, along with snippets of audio that could possibly have been put in the video out of context, don't they have a responsibility to demonstrate or prove that the video context is accurate?

I agree that Thompson needs to speak out, as well, and that Schnieder needs to release whatever it is he has, too.

Everyone directly involved seems to be giving a great lesson in how NOT to whistle-blow or provide an outlet for whistle-blowers.
I suspect it's a bit more complicated.
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I suspect that the CDC knew who the whistleblower was when the first video was released. According to Jon Rappoport he was escorted from the CDC building the afternoon it was released, so Hooker and Wakefield really had to release it IMO.
Rappoport's a complete weirdo who's also claiming Thompson might be some "covert operator" agent framing Wakefield and Hooker.

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...so I don't trust his "anonymous source" at all. But I bet the CDC knew it was Thompson, too, right off the bat (assuming there are at least elements of truth here, people there probably remember him at least strongly disagreeing with his colleagues about something.)

If Hooker and Wakefield "had" to release tiny, context-free snippets of audio, why don't they "have" to release enough of the preceding audio to verify that he was saying what they said he was saying? Or, why don't they explain why they now "can't" release more?
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I suspect it's a bit more complicated.
Can you elaborate?
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I disagree that Jon Rapport is a weirdo, but you are free to think that way if you so wish. He has done much to illuminate the hypocrisy and corruption in the medical system.

Mamakay, do you want this to be a hoax and Hooker to be wrong? Do you believe the CDC are an honest, upright organization and that William Thompson is a liar?
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To add a bit of context, the Merck MMR whistleblowers about the problems with the mumps vaccine have done everything according to the book. And the CDC, FDA and Merck have been totally successful at keeping that story out of sight. The only place it has been visible is the financial press and social media. Despite ongoing outbreaks of mumps the fact that Merck has been accused of faking the data supporting the efficacy of their vaccine has been kept out of the public view.

So doing it this way may seem crazy, but breaking vaccine stories in the normal fashion is largely a failure in terms of media coverage. The only "studies" that you'll read about are heavily boosted studies that show what the CDC wants them to show.

Call me very cynical.
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I disagree that Jon Rapport is a weirdo, but you are free to think that way if you so wish. He has done much to illuminate the hypocrisy and corruption in the medical system.

Mamakay, do you want this to be a hoax and Hooker to be wrong? Do you believe the CDC are an honest, upright organization and that William Thompson is a liar?


Obviously, I cannot speak for her, but as someone who is skeptical of vaccines, doesn't trust "big pharma", has a vaccine injured child, knows what it is like to be mistreated and bullied by the medical community, etc, I am not convinced and I do not like how this is being presented. I want the truth to come out entirely, no matter what it may be. I am not so convinced that it is true that I won't weigh my understandings of the evidence objectively.


Questioning her of wanting this to be a hoax because she has questions and isn't falling in line and signing petitions for class action lawsuits is wrong, IMO. It's the other side of the mainstream coin, if you ask me. You don't have to believe the CDC is infallible to refrain from jumping on this bandwagon until more evidence is released.
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Frankly I am very disappointed William Thompson hasn't given a press conference and released exactly what he knows and produced supporting documents. I don't expect Andy Wakefield and Brian Hooker to release much more without William Thompson approval and full involvement. I think he is under the instruction of his lawyer at this point, and he has been advised to keep quiet. I agree with Serenbat, it is likely very complicated. Thompson also has the safety of his family to consider.
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Obviously, I cannot speak for her, but as someone who is skeptical of vaccines, doesn't trust "big pharma", has a vaccine injured child, knows what it is like to be mistreated and bullied by the medical community, etc, I am not convinced and I do not like how this is being presented. I want the truth to come out entirely, no matter what it may be. I am not so convinced that it is true that I won't weigh my understandings of the evidence objectively.


Questioning her of wanting this to be a hoax because she has questions and isn't falling in line and signing petitions for class action lawsuits is wrong, IMO. It's the other side of the mainstream coin, if you ask me. You don't have to believe the CDC is infallible to refrain from jumping on this bandwagon until more evidence is released.

The point is, we don't have much insight into why William Thompson has remained so quiet, but that doesn't suggest to me that Wakefield and Hooker are con-artists and that Thompson is a liar. I am much more able to believe the CDC are falsifying and withholding information.
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Do you believe the CDC are an honest, upright organization and that William Thompson is a liar?
I don't trust the CDC *AT ALL* when it comes to the vaccines they are charged with promoting. There are lots and lots of easy ways of demonstrating that they "mislead" to the point of gross, outright deception and bald-face lying in the name of "promoting" the childhood vaccines they recommend universal uptake of.

I don't know what to make of Thompson and the snippets in the audio; that's why I want to hear the audio in context. I like to dot my i's and cross my t's before declaring something "yet another example of CDC dishonesty/deception". (Honestly, I've disliked the CDC much less since the "National Immunization Program" was dissolved/restructured, and the NIP was a huge force around the time Thompson did that study. An admission that their mission to "promote" the vaccines influenced (impaired) their ability to provide truly unbiased, complete, accurate information/research on those same vaccines would make me hate them even less.)

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I don't want it to be a hoax, but I don't know what Hooker actually SAID, so wanting him to be right or wrong either way is impossible.

I want to know what he actually said, in context, and I don't understand why we're being kept in the dark there, and see no justification for it.

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I thought I had!

I agree with the others here - there is much to the advantage IMO in holding your cards close to your chest! That puts pressure on the CDC. I think there is a time line and it's not up to a bunch of parents to dictate it. I'm sure everyone has lawyered up, that is what you do, same with the CDC.

I don't think anyone (including the CDC) need to rush out and I don't expect them to. Sure it would be nice but it's not about making parents happy or being nice.

It's a game here. You play it to win it.

You just don't willy-nilly for fun make a claim. Seeing who is posting and where on what little has come out IMO is saying so much! I would sit back and enjoy the show...........I am!

 

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To add a bit of context, the Merck MMR whistleblowers about the problems with the mumps vaccine have done everything according to the book. And the CDC, FDA and Merck have been totally successful at keeping that story out of sight. The only place it has been visible is the financial press and social media. Despite ongoing outbreaks of mumps the fact that Merck has been accused of faking the data supporting the efficacy of their vaccine has been kept out of the public view.

So doing it this way may seem crazy, but breaking vaccine stories in the normal fashion is largely a failure in terms of media coverage. The only "studies" that you'll read about are heavily boosted studies that show what the CDC wants them to show.

Call me very cynical.
Excellent points, Deborah. I don't disagree. I'm just encouraging caution until we get more facts. The CDC would love nothing more than the critics of their MO and policies to look foolish in the end.
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I don't want it to be a hoax, but I don't know what Hooker actually SAID, so wanting him to right or wrong either way is impossible.

I want to know what he actually said, in context, and I don't understand why we're being kept in the dark there, and see no justification for it.
We all want to know that. You and I might not see a justification for the silence, but Thompson is likely under lawyer's orders. I hope he has a good lawyer that knows what he is doing.
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I don't expect Andy Wakefield and Brian Hooker to release much more without William Thompson approval and full involvement.
How can it be ok of them to have released the snippets without context, not even one full minute of audio combined, but not just enough more to provide the context of the snippets?
It would make Wakefield look so much less shady here (err, unless people really are playing 11 dimensional media chess, intentionally looking shady to make the MSM at least pay attention, so that once it's declared "out of context" by the usual suspects, it'll prove earth-shattering when discovered to be more scandalous than anyone even speculated. Or something. )
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One thing that is getting lost in all this is that Brian Hooker did publish a peer-reviewed article in a journal which is indexed by PubMed. And instead of writing critical letters to the editor, two bloggers have attacked the article. Dorit Reiss is using those two blogs to criticize the article. Has anyone read the journal article? Does anyone have the statistics skills to figure out if the article is good or not?

Thompson apparently provided the documents with the original numbers to Brian Hooker which he used to write the article.
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We all want to know that. You and I might not see a justification for the silence, but Thompson is likely under lawyer's orders. I hope he has a good lawyer that knows what he is doing.
See, I can believe that Thompson is not only under lawyers orders, but might have signed contracts prohibiting him from publicly discussing the nature of any legal issues he might be dealing with on any level.

I seriously doubt Hooker and Wakefield are barred from even saying "My lawyer has advised me against releasing any more audio", tho. Which is why I expect (and think "we" should "demand") more evidence of context from them.
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Everyone has their own agenda and desire for profit/credibility/fame/etc., natural news and Wakefield are not excluded. (and please don't get started on how little they make compared to the CDC/Big Pharma, that's not what I'm talking about); this is rolled out in PR fashion. Sorry not sorry. It's true. I'm interested to see how this all plays out and what other documents/evidence they have.
Not sure how Wakefield is making money. And I would sincerely doubt that he is looking for fame. Every flamin' article about measles or vaccines never fails to bring up his name.
Let's not forget that this is the man who had his license to practice removed for daring to speak out. If his insurance would have paid for him to appeal at the same time Professor Walker Smith appealed, he would have been exonerated too. So who would blame him for being on top of a claim that the CDC colluded to remove incriminating data regarding the MMR?

Without interviews of the principal players, all we can do is speculate. I heard an interview of Brian Hooker from last year that actually makes me wonder if there are more people inside the CDC that are trying to get the info out. Perhaps Thompson saw the writing on the wall (that the released info would incriminate him) and decided to come clean. Maybe they need to do this piecemeal to thwart more coverups by the CDC (or silencing the witness).
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