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UK newspaper breaks taboo and speaks out against HPV vaccine

From The Independant

Thousands of teenage girls enduring debilitating illnesses after routine school cancer vaccination



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Emily is one of the thousands of teenage girls who have endured debilitating illnesses following the routine immunisation. She is yet to recover and has no idea when her health will return to normal.

“Prior to the vaccination Emily had an ‘unremarkable’ medical history with no problems,” said Mrs Ryalls, 49, from in Ossett, West Yorkshire. “She was considered very healthy and represented the school at hockey, netball, athletics and was a keen dancer. She was also a high achiever at school, in the top sets for everything and predicted at least 10 GCSE with high grades. Her future was very bright.”
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Well, that does appear to be a very high rate of coincidence.

But that vaccine has been proven to be "safe" so it can't be anything but coincidence.

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Yes, they are so safe, you can even get 'unnecessary' ones.
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Even 10 000 in one day - no problem (according to the 'profitt')
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Read through the comments. All problems are coincidences.

They also talk about the number of doses distributed, not doses given, and don't divide by the recipients. 9 million doses given means 3 million recipients for a 3 dose vaccine and 4.5 million recipients for a 2 dose vaccine.
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I was looking for a good vaccine coincidence meme but couldn't find it this time.

Anyway, found this was cute:
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Serious question, no snark: How many teenage girls spontaneously faint and go crippled without having just taken the HPV vaccine? What are they diagnoses in these cases, (e.g. MS?), and have doctors ruled these differential diagnoses out in the post-Gardasil adverse events cases?

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Serious question, no snark: How many teenage girls spontaneously faint and go crippled without having just taken the HPV vaccine? What are they diagnoses in these cases, (e.g. MS?), and have doctors ruled these differential diagnoses out in the post-Gardasil adverse events cases?
Not a teenage girl, but we know a teen boy that has POTS, but that is likely the result of psychotropic medications he is on . I doubt very much he got Gardasil.


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I'm just wondering how seriously our government and society will take these cases. It's one thing to say "cause isn't correlation." It's downright callous to take on the attitude that we'll never know what really happened, so let's move on. Nothing to see here. As I've mentioned elsewhere, I don't want the hunt for what caused these medical conditions to become like the non-existent hunt for Nicole Brown Simpson's "real killer."

Would it be just unthinkably horrible to suspend use of this vaccine in order to conduct an investigation on it?

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Serious question, no snark: How many teenage girls spontaneously faint and go crippled without having just taken the HPV vaccine? What are they diagnoses in these cases, (e.g. MS?), and have doctors ruled these differential diagnoses out in the post-Gardasil adverse events cases?
A global epidemic of psychosomatic disorders?

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Mass hysteria, conversion disorder, psychogenic illness, Munchausen by proxy, fabricated illness – all are terms familiar to those who experience new medical conditions after using the HPV vaccines, Gardasil and Cervarix. Countless people have been told that their new and mysterious symptoms are psychosomatic because doctors are unable to discover what is causing their symptoms.
Do health authorities truly expect people to believe there is a global epidemic of psychosomatic disorders that just ‘happened’ to begin shortly after the implementation of HPV vaccination programs?
http://sanevax.org/hpv-vaccines-glob...tic-disorders/


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I'm just wondering how seriously our government and society will take these cases. It's one thing to say "cause isn't correlation." It's downright callous to take on the attitude that we'll never know what really happened, so let's move on. Nothing to see here. As I've mentioned elsewhere, I don't want the hunt for what caused these medical conditions to become like the non-existent hunt for Nicole Brown Simpson's "real killer."

Would it be just unthinkably horrible to suspend use of this vaccine in order to conduct an investigation on it?
I don't think they are taking it seriously at all (at least the US). Japan held hearings and took it off the schedule. In the US they are expanding the use of it.
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@Mirzam : You beat me to it! I just posted this in a new thread and now just noticed your thread from earlier. That's what happens when I lose track on this site and can't keep up with the new threads I'll ask moderators to remove my thread. Sorry!
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And here is the blowback, explaining all of the possible problems away. https://jdc325.wordpress.com/2015/05...v-scare-story/

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Would either of them remember that the whooping cough vaccine and MMR vaccine scares began with case series reports from mavericks and were stoked by the mainstream media? Do the pair fully understand the damage that these stories can do?
Anyone remember the cupcake review reporter who got elevated to the "defend vaccines" role in Chicago? I don't remember any pro-vaxer being upset that a fluff writer was suddenly on the vaccine beat!

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And then there is the whole thing about small case series...

consider this article http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2603512/

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In 2001, Claes et al (9) found that mutations in the sodium channel alpha 1 subunit gene, SCN1A, were causative in 80% of children with SMEI, and that 95% of mutations arise de novo. Knowing this, Berkovic et al (10) studied 14 patients with alleged vaccine encephalopathy who had onset of seizures within 72 h of vaccination. They found that 11 of 14 patients (78%) had mutations in the SCN1A gene, with the majority of these mutations having arisen spontaneously. Thus, despite these patients previously being labelled as having vaccine encephalopathy, the majority of patients studied had a clear genetic cause for their disease.
Case series of 14 patients. 3 did NOT have a hereditary problem. But the entire story of brain damage following vaccination is being erased based on this one snippet.

Double standard?

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And then there is the whole thing about small case series...

consider this article http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2603512/



Case series of 14 patients. 3 did NOT have a hereditary problem. But the entire story of brain damage following vaccination is being erased based on this one snippet.

Double standard?
So can we/our children all get tested for this SCN1A mutation and get a medical exemption? Just kidding, but if they are going to say that it was a genetic thing isn't that showing that one-size-fits-all isn't so great.
(Sorry, that's going off topic a bit.)
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So can we/our children all get tested for this SCN1A mutation and get a medical exemption? Just kidding, but if they are going to say that it was a genetic thing isn't that showing that one-size-fits-all isn't so great.

(Sorry, that's going off topic a bit.)
No, the claim is that something awful would have happened to these children with or without the vaccine, so they might as well be "protected". In other words, this is coincidence, all the way down.

Disregarding, of course, the three children in the study who did not have the genetic thing. And disregarding that this was a case series only two larger than the one that Wakefield was martyred over.

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A global epidemic of psychosomatic disorders?



http://sanevax.org/hpv-vaccines-glob...tic-disorders/
Ah yes! The age-old misogynistic medical model of dismissing women's physical symptoms! It's all in your pretty little girly head. <Pat, pat, pat!> Now go home and lie down until your period is alllllllll done. We'll talk again when those silly little hormones of yours calm down.

Great read, by the way! I wonder how many of us experience psychosomatic fainting and loss of leg movement after mole removals, pap smears, or getting our knees tapped with reflex hammers.
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There have been two more news stories in the UK on this topic.

Lots of comments on each story. The vaccine injury denial crew are actually having a hard time fighting their side. They are starting to look silly when they yell "anti-vaccine" because the parents of the injured girls keep pointing out that they didn't start asking questions about vaccine safety until after they consented to this vaccine.

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There have been two more news stories in the UK on this topic.

Lots of comments on each story. The vaccine injury denial crew are actually having a hard time fighting their side. They are starting to look silly when they yell "anti-vaccine" because the parents of the injured girls keep pointing out that they didn't start asking questions about vaccine safety until after they consented to this vaccine.
Would you post links? I'd like to read the comments.

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Would you post links? I'd like to read the comments.

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I think this blog has links to all three stories http://vaccineimpact.com/2015/uk-mai...-be-retracted/
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News blackout of HPV controversy in other countries continues in the US. How long will this continue? How many kids will have horrible vaccine reactions because their parents didn't know the vaccines have risks?
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Has the news coverage in the UK died down after the three stories? Another successful denial is in process, I suppose.
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NZ authorities respond to UK stories--nothing to see here--move on
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/heal...fessionals-say

Here is an Australian who had a nasty reaction to an HPV vaccine but is still strongly pro-vaccine. For the good of the community. http://www.businessinsider.com.au/im...ne-shot-2015-7

Legislature wants to mandate HPV vaccines and isn't doing well...but it must be about sex...couldn't be about safety concerns. http://www.free-times.com/news/even-...-senate-061715

Request for reports of health problems following vaccine ntimes.co.uk/news/health/hpv_vaccination_appeal_did_you_or_your_child_suffe r_side_affects_1_4116075
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University of Auckland vaccine researcher Helen Petousis-Harris said: "I actually would say that the HPV vaccine has one of the best safety profiles of any other vaccine in New Zealand.
That's the beauty of dumbed-down mainstream media. You don't have to cite sources or show science.
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well, if the other vaccines used in NZ have a worse safety record they are in deep trouble, for sure!
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After the three news stories the coverage in the UK seems to have lapsed. All I'm finding is info like this:

http://truthaboutgardasil.org/what-i...ies-in-the-uk/

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As parents, we are very disappointed with the National Health Service (NHS). No one appears to show any concern about Tiegan’s suffering and certainly no urgent need to treat her symptoms.
It feels like every doctor we have seen has a quite cavalier attitude. It does not seem to matter how many times we try to explain how much our daughter is suffering. They seem oblivious to her pain.
It does not seem to matter how many times we try to explain the agony of our family goes through watch our daughter’s health decline while not being able to do anything about it. They do not seem to care what impact it has on our family.
sound familiar?

And the system in the UK for compensation for vaccine injury is brilliantly designed to protect the government and the vaccine manufacturers. http://www.vaccineriskawareness.com/...-Payments-Unit

Given all that, and the reality that vaccines are NOT mandated in the UK to attend school, why do parents get their children vaccinated?
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for @Bow : This thread also mentions Helen, but in this case she is simply an HPV vaccine defender.

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