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Japan not backing down: 11 cases of undeniable causal relationship: HPV vaccine

I don't understand Japanese, but I can tell you that the video is not pleasant. (Also, not pleasant is the title of the Washington Post article. Why are these people being called antivaxers? They obviously got the vaccine in the first place, didn't they? Why don't we give the vaccine-injured people a break for once and actually listen to them, while withholding the name-calling. Good grief.)

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“I forever regret having my daughter get the vaccination. I wish I could suffer for her,” said Miyako Hagiwara, whose 15-year-old daughter, Hisui, began to develop symptoms such as severe headaches, nausea and numbness in the hands and legs after being vaccinated in 2013.

“I want many people to know what’s going on so that victims don’t feel isolated,” Hagiwara told the Mainichi newspaper this month. She is the representative in Shizuoka for the Japan Cervical Cancer Vaccination Sufferers' Organization, which has 400 members nationwide.

This month, Medwatcher Japan, a group set up to “monitor and prevent drug-induced disasters,” will host a conference titled "Problems with the HPV Vaccine.”

The ministry this year surveyed 1,739 patients who had received the vaccine and found that 186 were still experiencing side effects, including headaches, fatigue and muscle weakness.

In 135 of the cases, the problems were so severe that they interfered with daily activities, including school and work, Japanese news agencies reported. An unspecified number reportedly had lost their ability to walk.

The Health Ministry will begin paying benefits to those affected — but “only in cases where a clear link exists or cannot be denied,” Kyodo News reported.
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The ministry recently declared that there was an “undeniable causal relationship” in the case of 11 girls who had been vaccinated and went on to suffer health issues. They now receive about $300 a month each in compensation from the government.
Question for provaxers who have been defending this vaccine: 11 (at least) girls have been found to "undeniably" become injured after the vaccine. I thought the vaccine was safe and caused no issues, so is there an explanation as to these undeniable cases? Or is it that the vaccine is just not safe. (By the way, I'm sure there are more girls who the vaccine injured considering the number coming forth, as it's very likely that the measurements used to establish whether or not the vaccine caused injury may be too narrow. I'm not sure what parameters they are using to determine that information.)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...inning-on-hpv/
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Here's information on the Medwatcher Japan conference called "Problems with the HPV vaccine." This ain't gonna be easy for the HPV vaccine. People aren't going to just lie down and take it. The word is getting around.

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Medwatcher Japan will be holding a symposium on problems with the HPV vaccine.

It is not only in Japan but also in other countries where adverse effects from the HPV vaccine attract great deal of attention. In Denmark, for instance, the HPV vaccines are causing so much harms to many girls in the same way as in Japan, and an association has been set up for the HPV vaccine injured victims in UK. This seminar attempts to get to the bottom of the vaccine’s problems, by inviting doctors at the forefront of research who have been among the first to examine many patients in Denmark and Japan, and hearing reports from victims in both Japan and overseas
http://www.yakugai.gr.jp/en/topics/topic.php?id=901
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Why can't the "rational" folks convince the parents and the girls that the vaccine isn't to blame?

If it really is coincidence and background rate and all the rest of it, laying out the case in a straightforward way, without name-calling, should convince the parents that they are mistaken.

Why the attacks and name-calling if the vaccine enthusiasts really do have a solid case?

These parents were PRO-VACCINE originally.
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Again, "the Japanese Government says so" is not scientific evidence of causality.

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"But the Japan Society of Obstetrics and Gynecology is urging the government to start recommending the vaccination again.

Although there is no scientific evidence to suggest a causal link, the vaccination rate has fallen to close to zero since the government withdrew its recommendation.

“The JSOG strongly demands the early resumption of recommendations for HPV vaccination, with the aim of eradicating cervical cancer,” Fujii said.

In Europe, regulators have found no evidence to support a link between the vaccine and impaired movement.

After media in Denmark reported similar concerns about side effects, the European Medicines Agency’s Pharmacovigilance Risk Assessment Committee conducted a review. The vaccination rate in some European countries was 90 percent.

In its report, published this month, the committee concluded that there was no evidence that the vaccine caused chronic pain syndrome or an abnormal increase in heart rate on sitting or standing up.

It noted that symptoms might overlap with other conditions, making diagnosis difficult. But the number of teenage girls experiencing chronic limb pain or dizziness after vaccination was not higher than the general population.

“Therefore, there is no reason to change the way the vaccines are used or amend the current product information,” the committee found."

The Japan Pediatric Society (along with the Japan Society of Obstetrics and Gynecology) vehemently disagrees with the government's position and successfully campaigned to have the vaccine included on the recommended pediatric schedule.

Let's see how consistent the logic is here: If "Japan says the vaccine is dangerous and is causally linked to these conditions" is scientific evidence that it's true, then you must also accept their position that the vast majority of the vaccines on the US schedule are safe as scientific evidence that that is true.

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Well @teacozy , people everywhere aren't buying that the "science is settled."" Also, if you had looked at these cases, read them in detail, or watched these documentaries, you'd see that all these girls aren't simply experiencing just chronic regional pain syndrome. There is more to this. Is the vaccine causing an array of symptoms, making it difficult to pinpoint an exact diagnosis? Are these "scientific studies" looking for the wrong diagnoses, glaring over the fact that what these girls are experiencing may not be just CRPS, thus which is why these "studies" are being incorrectly presented as evidence that the vaccine is safe, where something else is occuring, caused by the vaccine? A widespread inflammation, autoimmune responses due to adjuvants, and neurological damage? Something is going with the vaccine and they aren't figuring out what, or they aren't trying hard enough to discover it. There's a reason groups of girls are reacting poorly to this vaccine. There must be a predisposition of some sort in these girls, autoimmune markers, that isn't being researched. Like I said in my OP, there have been 11 cases of undeniable causal relationship of the HPV vaccine causing those girls' illnesses. I'd like see what those undeniable relationships looked like in order to establish further.

The case in Columbia of the first young girl dying this year after being vaccinated with Gardasil shows the development of autoimmune disorder after. Her death is indicated to be caused by the disorder the vaccine caused.

A small study in Columbia showed ASIA after vaccination with HPV vaccine.

I'm concerned that Gardasil is causing a multitude of symptoms and disorders in these girls that no one can seem to place.

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Karen, who enjoyed excellent health except having her appendix surgically removed, received the first Gardasil shot in her school “Carlos Lozano y Lozano” soon after her 15th birthday near the end of 2013. She received the second shot in February 2014. According to her mother Beatriz, soon after that, Karen became sleepy, suffered from lightheadedness, nausea and vomiting, lost weight and her hands became swollen. She had joint and finger pain and was diagnosed with Juvenile Rheumatoid Arthritis. Despite receiving medical therapy, her disease progressed and she soon had to stop attending school due to constant severe pain. She was finishing her high school year and was not able to graduate in an educational institution in Fusagasugá, her hometown.

Karen and her family sought a second opinion from the Pediatric Clínica Colsubsidio in Bogotá, where she stayed for one month until August 01/2014 and where she was diagnosed with lupus, scleroderma and had a pleural effusion that required drainage to help her breathe. She complained of shortness of breath and breathing difficulty due to accumulation of fluid between her lungs and chest wall. At the time, Karen had lost the ability to walk, and could not go to the bathroom nor take a shower by herself. She complained of right-sided pain, the same side where she got the Gardasil shots. She had a relapse in 2015 and was admitted again to the Pediatric Clinica Colsubsidio.

On May 21, Karen had difficulty breathing while at her home in a Fusagasugá, Cundinamarca where she lived and received oxygen in a local institution. She was referred to La Samaritana Hospital in the capitol city in Bogotá, a higher complexity hospital located 100 miles away. She was admitted immediately into the Intensive Care Unit where she developed fatal respiratory failure and was subsequently pronounced dead.

This is the first documented death of a Colombian girl after developing an autoimmune disease triggered by mandatory HPV vaccination. In the Caribbean town of Carmen de Bolivar, at least 517 girls have developed adverse events according to a recent study carried out by the Colombian National Institute of Health. The lead investigator was Dr. Fernando De La Hoz, a prominent epidemiologist, who resigned after concluding that adverse events developed by the girls were due to a massive psychogenic disease. Dr. De La Hoz got his Ph.D. in Epidemiology from the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine where he defended his thesis on the Hepatitis B vaccination program applied in the Colombian Amazon. During his Ph.D. candidacy, none of the vaccinated people in the Amazon developed a massive psychogenic disorder.

Although the fluid that accumulated between Karen’s lungs and chest wall was massive in amount; there was nothing ‘psychogenic’ about it. It was due to uncontrolled inflammation triggered by vaccine components either contaminants or the alum-based adjuvant. This disorder is called ASIA
Columbia study:

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Autoimmune/auto-inflammatory syndrome induced by adjuvants (ASIA) after quadrivalent human papillomavirus vaccination in Colombians: a call for personalised medicine.

This was a case study in which 3 patients with autoimmune/auto-inflammatory syndrome induced by adjuvants (ASIA) after quadrivalent human papillomavirus vaccination (HPV) were evaluated and described. All the patients were women. Diagnosis consisted of HLA-B27 enthesitis related arthritis, rheumatoid arthritis and systemic lupus erythematous, respectively. Our results highlight the risk of developing ASIA after HPV vaccination and may serve to increase the awareness of such a complication. Factors that are predictive of developing autoimmune diseases should be examined at the population level in order to establish preventive measures in at-risk individuals for whom healthcare should be personalized and participatory
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25962455

If you don't like the Columbian study, here is another case against HPV vaccine and ASIA:

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We report the case of a 14-year-old girl who developed postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome (POTS) with chronic fatigue 2 months following Gardasil vaccination. The patient suffered from persistent headaches, dizziness, recurrent syncope, poor motor coordination, weakness, fatigue, myalgias, numbness, tachycardia, dyspnea, visual disturbances, phonophobia, cognitive impairment, insomnia, gastrointestinal disturbances, and a weight loss of 20 pounds. The psychiatric evaluation ruled out the possibility that her symptoms were psychogenic or related to anxiety disorders. Furthermore, the patient tested positive for ANA (1:1280), lupus anticoagulant, and antiphospholipid. On clinical examination she presented livedo reticularis and was diagnosed with Raynaud’s syndrome. This case fulfills the criteria for the autoimmune/auto-inflammatory syndrome induced by adjuvants (ASIA). Because human papillomavirus vaccination is universally recommended to teenagers and because POTS frequently results in long-term disabilities (as was the case in our patient), a thorough follow-up of patients who present with relevant complaints after vaccination is strongly recommended
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The obvious questions related to girls who reacted repeatedly to repeated doses are still not being researched.
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Possible solution: If you choose to vaccinate your children with this vaccine, have a full blood panel and complete autoantibody test done prior to every shot.

Every autoimmune diesease carries markers in the blood (autoantibodies). All of us have some level in our blood but maintain self tolerance. Those who develop symptoms of autoimmune diseases have significantly higher autoantibody levels. Examples would be rheumatoid factor (RF) for rheumatoid arthritis or anti-nuclear antibodies for SLE. It would at least be some form of evidence.
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Story of repeated reactions to repeated doses of Gardasil http://sanevax.org/gardasil-in-italy...al-conditions/

http://sanevax.org/new-gardasil-horr...y-from-the-uk/ reactions after the second and third dose

http://sanevax.org/cervarix-will-my-...-normal-again/ reactions after all three doses

http://sanevax.org/gardasil-thought-...esearch-wrong/ mother ignored reactions after each vaccine...

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Meanwhile I kept researching ME/CFS trying different supplements etc. to try to help her, not all of her symptoms fit under the ME/CFS heading.
This is why case histories are essential! Just slapping on a label and then looking at background rates is only good if you are trying to avoid counting vaccine injuries. Come to think of it, I do believe that there is a concerted attempt going to avoid counting vaccine injuries!

http://sanevax.org/daughters-life-al...nges-gardasil/ reactions after first and second dose

As far as I can see, the main reason there aren't more accounts of multiple reactions to multiple doses is that a lot of girls have such severe problems (coincidental of course) following the first dose that they never even get the second or third dose. Could this be playing a role in the number of kids who don't complete the series?

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Here's one about a boy who died following the vaccines
http://sanevax.org/vaccine-injury-co...R8nuZ0.twitter
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Here's one about a boy who died following the vaccines
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Here's one about a boy who died following the vaccines
http://sanevax.org/vaccine-injury-co...R8nuZ0.twitter
Pattern...Again, got Gardasil, went home, fell asleep and never woke up. This is the third case I've read of this happening in just two days.
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Still waiting for links to actual studies that show a causal link between these issues and the vaccine....

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Still waiting for links to actual studies that show a causal link between these issues and the vaccine....
You must have missed the news, on Friday it was announced on Medscape the Danes ARE doing a study just for you!

Medscape links don't always work so one can also google it to see about this.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/854469
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Still waiting for links to actual studies that show a causal link between these issues and the vaccine....
For starters, care to comment on the 11 undeniable cases? What are your thoughts? "Undeniable" means there isn't any room for "coincidences." Are they lying too? Unfortunately we don't seem to have the background on those cases, but at least you can give your opinion, since you've constantly been denying any links of harm to vaccination with HPV vaccines. And I guess you don't believe in ASIA diagnoses either. I understand it must be a difficult pill to swallow when vaccines actually are to blame.

Otherwise, I can't continue a discussion with someone who won't even watch a documentary on the HPV vaccine, or even read or listen to these stories but who continues to deny the link over and over and over and over. Whether you think documentaries aren't scientific evidence or that they are, adamently not watching them shows a significant prejudice against the opposing side, and that in turn signifies a close-mindededness to receiving information from the opposition.

An intelligent discussion, especially over a very well-known controversial topic such as the HPV vaccine, that's out in the open and has been for a while now, ALL over the world, would consist of listening to all of the information available, reading all stories, reading studies, and then making a conclusion to discuss. Without listening to the opposing side in detail, but rather shut them out as soon as they speak, how can an intelligent, knowledgable discussion occur?
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A Judicial Watch Special Report
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Detection of human papillomavirus L1 gene DNA fragments in postmortem blood and spleen after Gardasil®vaccination—A case report

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For some reason @teacozy gets to define what is and is not science on HPV vaccines. Handy.
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You must have missed the news, on Friday it was announced on Medscape the Danes ARE doing a study just for you!

Medscape links don't always work so one can also google it to see about this.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/854469
I did find the article via a search.

Here is a quote from a doctor on page 2
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"Those of us who are involved in the care of patients who developed post-HPV vaccine syndrome know that for these girls, getting HPV vaccine has not been life-saving, as the pharmaceutical industry and medical professionals have been claiming, but has been life-changing in the sense that these previously healthy girls became severely ill and disabled within days to weeks after vaccination," Dr Blitshteyn told Medscape Medical News.
"Additionally, there are a number of girls whose symptoms became progressively worse after each subsequent HPV vaccine injection, suggesting that there is evidence of rechallenge," she said.
There are some interesting comments on the Medscape article.
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/854469#vp_1
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AHVID has conducted a member questionnaire and, so far, has received almost 100 responses. Information for the first 94 responses had been already shared with the EMA, the group notes, and highlights several findings from these 94 responses, as follows:

Twenty-seven girls had reactions on the same day as the vaccine, some of them within minutes. A further 22 had reactions within 7 days of vaccination and a further 16 within 30 days.

Twenty-four have confirmed POTS diagnosis, some took 6.5 years from vaccination to be diagnosed. Another 37 have not been diagnosed with POTS but have an average of 16 typical POTS symptoms; some had 33 typical POTS symptoms. Nineteen were refused POTS assessments.

Eight have confirmed diagnoses of CRPS. A further 76 have not been diagnosed with CRPS but have an average of five typical CRPS symptoms. Fourteen were refused CRPS assessments.
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Hmm, refused assessments...is that because they had already reached the "background rate" for the year for those conditions?
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The epidemiological profile of ASIA syndrome after HPV vaccination: an evaluation based on the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting Systems.

The term "ASIA-Autoimmune/inflammatory Syndrome Induced by Adjuvants" describes an umbrella of clinical conditions sharing similar signs or symptoms, including post-vaccination phenomena. No information is available on the epidemiology of the ASIA syndrome, especially following HPV vaccination. We carried out an analysis of the VAERS database to retrieve all cases of suspected ASIA syndrome according to the Shoenfeld and Agmon-Levin's guideline for the diagnosis. After causality assessment and case validation, 2,207 cases were considered probably or possibly related to vaccination. These represent the largest ASIA cohort ever reported and allowed us to estimate epidemiological and clinical characteristic of this syndrome. The commonest clinical manifestation observed were pyrexia (58%), myalgia (27%) and arthralgia or arthritis (19%), and the estimated reporting rate was of 3.6 cases per 100,000 doses of HPV vaccine distributed (95% CI 3.4-3.7). This study presents the first systematic estimation of ASIA incidence and expands the knowledge on this pathology. Further analyses are needed to identify genetic and non-genetic risk factors for ASIA syndrome.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25381482

Thank goodness for those who are actually looking into this issue in depth rather than conducting measly unhelpful superficial surface studies on just CRPS and POTS, leaving many gaps and questions unanswered. VAERS is just a start to get a general overall picture at a macro level as to what's going on and then more thorough research at a more micro level is necessary in order to establish links,, researching conditions, symptoms or worsening after each dose, history, etc., of each individual and case.

Without these other studies going into depth, they're really just a waste of time and a crock of sh*t.

Doesn't Gardasil 9 have even more aluminum in it that 4? Let's look at those girls receiving 9 and the reactions developing after to see if there is a significant difference.
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I did find the article via a search.

Here is a quote from a doctor on page 2


There are some interesting comments on the Medscape article.
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/854469#vp_1
for some reason copy and paste of medscape never seems to work correctly!

One thing always gets missed (avoided by the PRO agenda!!) after these girls get this way they go back to their doctors, those who have been (in MOST cases) treating them their entire life, those doctors know their patients and know something DID happen to them, later they are sent to specialists. Doctors do know something is going on with these girls!!
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When I clicked the medscape link it required sign in so I just googled using some of the keywords. But here is the title of the article to make it easier for others:

Chronic Symptoms After HPV Vaccination: Danes Start Study
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I only found discussion of this last night. Haven't read either all the way through yet.

http://link.springer.com/article/10....264-016-0456-3
Current Safety Concerns with Human Papillomavirus Vaccine: A Cluster Analysis of Reports in VigiBase®


http://anhinternational.org/2017/01/...dangerous-yet/

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A study just released by a World Health Organization (WHO) monitoring centre in Sweden shows that adverse event reports received from national authorities — and these will represent only a fraction of those actually experienced — show a tendency to produce clusters of serious adverse events that include complex regional pain syndrome (CRPS), postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome (POTS) and chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS) that exceeds any other vaccine.
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@Bow , don't you understand? All we are seeing is clusters of coincidences following the perfectly safe HPV vaccines! And anyone who collects case histories or adverse event reports is BAD and hates vaccines and wants polio to come back.

Have to admit that this line of explanation is stretching very thin at this point.
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