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Okay, I'll stop patting myself on the back and get down to work.

There are literally hundreds or even thousands of articles from the last two or three years fussing over vaccine exemptions and vaccine rates. Here is one, pulled at random. http://www.citizen-times.com/story/n...rate/22994231/

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"Clearly, any vaccine exemptions concern us because the more people in a community who are immunized, the harder it is for a vaccine-preventable disease to take hold," Dr. Jennifer L. Mullendore, medical director for the Buncombe County Health Department, told the Asheville Citizen-Times.
"Anytime we see that number drop, we get worried," she added, "and we are definitely worried when we see clusters, like certain schools, where we have higher numbers of exemptions."
Sloppy use of terminology. Immunize and vaccinate are not the same thing. Vaccinate means jabbed, immunized should mean actually immune. Vaccines aren't 100%, right?

Exemptions don't generally equal 100% unvaxed for everything, so fussing about the number of exemptions or about pockets of exemptions can very well be a lot of hysteria over a non-starter. The article does get down to specifics in some places, but it is quite disorganized and unclear.

Which is typical of this sort of news coverage. I think it is mostly about creating a sort of unease, angst, and anxiety. Not about informing people.

Everyone is welcome to add articles and analysis to this thread. However, I'd appreciate it if we kept it to pro-vaccine articles. If people want to critique vaccine critical news articles from the mainstream press, they can start their own thread. Of course there aren't very many such articles, coincidentally. Doesn't have anything to do with censorship...
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Hurry and get your Hep A vaccine IMMEDIATELY!!!
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Costco fruit recall: Get immunized immediately, consumers warned
Doctor warns potentially infected people should get immunized immediately
Is this truly a health epidemic emergency?

imo, no

ONE case was found in a certain province, so that means EVERYONE SHOULD RUSH TO GET VACCINATED!!

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Playing the devil's advocate here, emmy, since everyone rushed out and got the hep A shot, maybe that is why no other cases were found. What do you think?
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What drives me crazy is confusing vaccination rates with exemption rates. An article will push for or imply that the state to snatch away exemption rights by citing the state's "low vaccination rates." This is so dishonest that I don't know how these people can feel a dirty conscience as they fall asleep at night.

Using my linked example, let's look at what's actually going on in Pennsylvania. According to the CDC, the state's vaccine uptake rates hover around 91-92% but only about 2% of parents file medical and religious exemptions. So it's not like they're screaming revenge at the 2% and completely ignoring the 7%. They're just misleading the public to think that there's an 8-9% exemption rate. Sounds legit.

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Outright misinforming parents - and this is the HEALTH DEPARTMENT!!!!

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Health Department Sent Misleading Letters Regarding Kids Who Aren't Vaccinated
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with a scathing review on the tv clip
http://denver.cbslocal.com/2016/04/2...h-state-fails/

the bill eventually died but they sent letters anyways
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DENVER (CBS4) – The Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment admits it sent inaccurate letters to parents across the state regarding children who aren’t vaccinated. The letters were perceived to inform parents that a measure proposed at the state Capitol had passed when it was still being debated.
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Outright misinforming parents - and this is the HEALTH DEPARTMENT!!!!


with a scathing review on the tv clip
http://denver.cbslocal.com/2016/04/2...h-state-fails/

the bill eventually died but they sent letters anyways
That's sounds pretty cocky. Did they assume that legislative victory was a foregone conclusion?
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Speaking of purposeful misinformation from the state, this time it was Indiana http://www.fox28.com/story/30368779/...pv-vaccination
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This one is a beauty! http://www.sfgate.com/mommyfiles/art...in-7379104.php
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Physicians also agree vaccinations help extend one’s lifespan. Dr. Amesh A. Adalja said it is important to take steps as early as possible to avoid complications later in life. “There are myriad benefits to having one’s child vaccinated. For most of humankind’s history, infectious diseases were a leading cause of mortality and the reason why many did not reach adulthood. The massive lifespan increases humans have experienced owe a lot to the power of vaccines. Vaccines keep children healthy and alive as evidenced by the fact that thousands still die from measles in the developing world,” Adalja told The Cheat Sheet.
Sewage running through the streets never had anything to do with infectious disease outbreaks--it was just vaccine deficiencies all the way back to the stone age.

No wonder they call it the cheat sheet...
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Outright misinforming parents - and this is the HEALTH DEPARTMENT!!!!


with a scathing review on the tv clip
http://denver.cbslocal.com/2016/04/2...h-state-fails/

the bill eventually died but they sent letters anyways
The Colorado Health Department was telling parents they had to send in information to the State rather than the local school, even though the law requiring this be done had died.

Even for the more insane vaccine pushers in state health departments, that is over the top. They really think they are above the law, don't they?
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This is one of my favorite vaccine pushing ploys.

How it works.

First you make vaccine recommendations for a particular age group. Then you start putting out news stories about the lack of compliance with the recommendations. How about giving people a year or two to hear they are supposed to get all these vaccines? Before berating them for lack of "compliance."

https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/31455876...sing-vaccines/

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Only four per cent had been immunised against shingles and just a third for 33 per cent for pneumonia. However, 70 per cent had received an influenza jab.
The results contrast with 90 per cent vaccination rates for children.
Immunisation Coalition director Paul Van Buynder says Australians need to carry that diligent commitment into old age.
Plus, of course, the 90 per cent rates for children are usually very problematic...not enough for herd immunity...irresponsible anti-vaccine parents...diseases will spread...
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I do not think you should at all be surprised. Doctors and the public health departments have lied to parents about schools and vaccine exemptions for decades. Yes, they do think that they are above the law. And they are not civilly nor criminally liable for doing this.

So parents need to do their own research and act proactively and offensively to protect their children.
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This article is a more interesting and subtle example of how complex social, political and scientific questions can be distilled down to "trust" in science. http://www.theguardian.com/environme...denial-problem

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Those surveyed were also asked if the science supporting the safety of childhood vaccination is indisputable. In this case, Democrats were the most likely to answer yes (68%) rather than no (21%), followed by Independents (53% to 33%), with Republicans expressing the least confidence in the science supporting vaccine safety (47% yes, 42% no). Contrary to The Daily Show clip, these data show that vaccine science denial is more prevalent among conservatives than liberals.
In both directions this sounds more like a faith-based belief, not a science-based understanding, at least to me.

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And here is an example of pro-vaccine humor. http://www.chaser.com.au/2016/3512/
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This one is sort of fun--how to create a really scary statistic out of six cases of measles!

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news...377305161.html

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With Shelby County now home to more measles cases than the entire remainder of the U.S., local health officials are working with the public and clinicians in an effort to control the outbreak.
Another way to spin this?

Measles is non-existent across the entire US at the moment, except for a small outbreak in Tennessee, which should be sorted out soon.

Accurate statements in both cases, right?

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One of the loudest pro-vaccine lies is that outbreaks of whooping cough are the fault of vaccine refusers.

I could easily come up with dozens of news articles spreading this lie, but I'll just do a few.

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When the vaccination rates drop, everyone becomes more vulnerable to infectious diseases. When more than 90% of the population is vaccinated, we have “herd immunity” – this means the disease can’t spread because there aren’t enough susceptible people in the community. So the high rate of vaccine refusal in Washington makes it easier for whooping cough (and other diseases) to spread.
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-dru...cough-epidemic Someone called the reporter on this one and the end of the article was toned down slightly.
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And now children in California are dying of a disease that should have been made obsolete by the 21st century. If vaccine refusals are indeed behind the current epidemic, California needs to figure out the real reasons that parents are putting their own children and others at risk.* *Post has been updated with this new sentence to underscore the fact that the causes of this outbreak are still unclear.
https://newrepublic.com/article/1155...whooping-cough a classic of misinformation!

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As I said above, I could find hundreds of these articles. Occasionally there is one that acknowledges problems with the vaccine, vaccine failure, even the fact that the vaxed can share and spread the disease, but for the most part, it is blame all the way down.

Yep, the anti-vaccine tell a lot of lies...

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This is one of my favorite vaccine pushing ploys.

How it works.

First you make vaccine recommendations for a particular age group. Then you start putting out news stories about the lack of compliance with the recommendations. How about giving people a year or two to hear they are supposed to get all these vaccines? Before berating them for lack of "compliance."

https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/31455876...sing-vaccines/



Plus, of course, the 90 per cent rates for children are usually very problematic...not enough for herd immunity...irresponsible anti-vaccine parents...diseases will spread...
I'm surprised that they haven't linked compliance to pension payments yet. It's not that far a leap. We are being told that unless our kids are UTD, we cannot access the child care rebate or family tax benefit, both social benefit types of payment. By that argument ("vaccinate for the sake of your health and the good of society or we'll withhold your benefit payments"), it's not inconceivable that they start withholding all social benefit payments (pension, employment benefits, whatever) unless UTD. The only reason they haven't yet, I suspect, is the outcry from adults that it impacts their freedom of choice...but if children are involved, that's different.
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Some states try to tell parents their children MUST be up to date on vaccines before they'll get any state bene's. Which we all know is a lie.
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LOLOLOL...here's a good one from a DOCTOR

http://www.floridatoday.com/story/li...tors/83229388/

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epiglottitis, periorbital cellulitis and many more. I've not seen any of those for years. Those diseases are all prevented by vaccination.
WHO KNEW???

Also claiming the dtap is 'effective' amongst other hogwas, lies, and misinformation
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LOLOLOL...here's a good one from a DOCTOR

http://www.floridatoday.com/story/li...tors/83229388/


WHO KNEW???

Also claiming the dtap is 'effective' amongst other hogwas, lies, and misinformation
That one is outstandingly sloppy. Quite often, articles written by doctors are the absolute worst!
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I have to chime in something in all fairness. There are a LOT of non-vax articles with terrible, terrible (mis)information . . . enough to have a separate thread on them. They make me cringe when I read them because I cherish vaccine choice so much and don't want to see anyone undermining the credibility of this cause. I suppose that the main difference between pro-vax misinformation and non-vax misinformation is that the latter is usually on personal blogs and alternative websites. We're supposed to trust big-wig news outlets and medical groups, but it's important to go caveat emptor on personal blogs of any perspective.

The best information often comes from the vax-choicers. Jennifer Margulis and Louise Kuo Habakus come to mind. They cite their stuff well and don't distort, inflame, or exaggerate.

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I have to chime in something in all fairness. There are a LOT of non-vax articles with terrible, terrible (mis)information . . . enough to have a separate thread on them. They make me cringe when I read them because I cherish vaccine choice so much and don't want to see anyone undermining the credibility of this cause. I suppose that the main difference between pro-vax misinformation and non-vax misinformation is that the latter is usually on personal blogs and alternative websites. We're supposed to trust big-wig news outlets and medical groups, but it's important to go caveat emptor on personal blogs of any perspective.

The best information often comes from the vax-choicers. Jennifer Margulis and Louise Kuo Habakus come to mind. They cite their stuff well and don't distort, inflame, or exaggerate.
I agree. I read massive amounts of vaccine commentary and often find critical writing which is cringe-worthy.

The main difference to me is that much of the mainstream misinformation is either deliberate (no exemptions around here folks) or deliberate (carefully organized bad stats to make it look like there are hundreds of thousands of unvaxed kids spreading disease) or deliberate (loud press releases about the latest study where the good news is inflated and the real facts are hidden).

Sometimes it is just sloppy, but even there, most of the sloppiness comes from trusting mainstream sources and not doing any real digging.

The vaccine critics could do a lot better. I wish they would.

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Well, the sloppiest of sloppiness is to claim that Wakefield produced a study claiming that vaccines cause autism. The only journalists who say that are those who were too lazy to pick up and read what he wrote.

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Well, the sloppiest of sloppiness is to claim that Wakefield produced a study claiming that vaccines cause autism. The only journalists who say that are those who were too lazy to pick up and read what he wrote.
What I find most tiresome is the sliding around when challenged.

I've actually seen someone in a comment section on an article admit that yes, the published article didn't say that vaccines caused autism, but then they'll say: "but in the press conference". But they only do this slide if someone challenges point A, then they move to point B. And if someone points out what was actually said in the press conference they'll move to point C.

The whole game is tiresome and does not build trust.

If vaccines need to be defended with lies, neither the vaccines nor their defenders can be trusted at all.

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Double speak and outright mistruths in this article about yet ANOTHER MUMPS OUTBREAK IN COLLEG

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index..._confirms.html

** due to my pc screwing up, I cannot copy or paste anything much from the article, but it basically says the if you're not vaxxed, to monitor yourself for symptoms...uh, what about all the VAXXED that are catching it? They don't need to worry or what?

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School officials are encouraging students to take the necessary steps to prevent acquiring the disease, including getting two doses of the MMR vaccine for free on campus at the student health center, with an appointment, through Friday.

The university stresses in the letter, though, that the chance of acquiring mumps if a student has received the MMR vaccine is low. However, many of the students that tested positive for mumps were already vaccinated, the Dayton Daily News reports.

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Students who cannot receive the vaccine for medical reasons are asked to monitor themselves for symptoms, the letter says.
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Yeah, I saw that article.

So if you are vaccinated with the MMR you can still get mumps, but those who are not vaccinated, who haven't actually been turning up with mumps, need to watch out for mumps. Not the people who are actually getting mumps despite being vaccinated.

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20yrs old but still a 'whoopsie' by the ever loving folks wanting to 'protect' others
http://articles.latimes.com/1996-06-...easles-vaccine

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Health: Agency failed to tell parents that one of two vaccines used on infants in L.A. during epidemic was experimental, officials say.

June 17, 1996|MARLENE CIMONS | TIMES STAFF WRITER
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WASHINGTON — A government-sponsored study of two measles vaccines, begun in 1989 during a major U.S. epidemic and conducted on nearly 1,500 minority infants in Los Angeles, failed to disclose to parents that one of the vaccines was experimental, federal health officials said Sunday.

"A mistake was made," said Dr. David Satcher, director of the Atlanta-based federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, one of the study sponsors. "It shocked me."

Satcher said in an interview that the CDC plans to contact all the families involved. He said he was very concerned that the events not fuel suspicion in the minority community of government-sponsored medical research.

"Every little mistake like that seeds the concerns of people," he said. "We need to move to a new level of assurance so people can really trust what we're doing."
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I wonder if all the families were informed?
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more from article linked @ emmy526

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CDC officials acknowledged that the omission was serious and attributed it to researchers' knowledge that the lesser doses of the unlicensed vaccine, known as Edmonston-Zagreb, or E-Z, had been used safely for decades outside the United States and that it had been recommended by the World Health Organization.

"Our doctors just didn't think of it as being 'experimental,' " said Barbara Reynolds, an agency spokeswoman.

The study was co-sponsored by Kaiser Permanente of California and was begun during a national measles epidemic, with California among the most stricken states.
Safely used for decades and not thought to be experimental? The "researchers," didn't realize that it was a higher dosage of the "lesser vaccine" that had been used previously outside of the US? Was it sheer stupidity or willful deceptive experimentation? Is that an explanation that anyone can get behind?

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