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Bizarre pro-vaccine pieces from the web

http://thesciencepost.com/young-girl...accine-injury/

I want to have some fun finding examples of crazy pro-vaccine parodies, like the one above, obvious pro-vaccine errors (a doctor announcing that the mercury has been removed from the MMR on national TV is perfect), and any other examples of silliness and poor taste from the vaccine pushing side.

The cervical cancer rate halved thread has been a pleasure--I thought a variation thereof might be equally enjoyable.

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Sen/Dr. Pan, MD keynote speaker, declaring water to be more dangerous than vaccines because of drownings.

File under the heading of "Relative Risks".

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Dr Pan at the opening and ground breaking of the Sacramento Natural Foods Coop after he voted NO to labeling food products in CA as GMO or not GMO.

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This article on mercury in vaccines from Wikipedia includes lots and lots of irrationality and unscientific claims. It is so bad I think it qualifies for this thread. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomersal_controversy

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Paul Offit, a leading vaccine researcher and advocate, has also noted a tendency in the media to provide false balance by perpetually presenting both sides of an issue even when only one side is supported by the evidence and thereby giving a platform for the spread of misinformation.[34]
Fear not! No danger of false balance in this article.
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This one from CHOP qualifies for the weasel words of the year award. http://www.chop.edu/centers-programs...l#.V-CRlTXRjh4

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But, for many reasons, thimerosal is not harmful.
Note the absolute statement.

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Methylmercury makes its way through the food chain in fish, animals and humans. At high levels, it can be toxic to people.Thimerosal contains a different form of mercury called ethylmercury. Studies comparing ethylmercury and methylmercury suggest that they are processed differently in the human body. Ethylmercury is broken down and excreted much more rapidly than methylmercury. Therefore, ethylmercury (the type of mercury in the influenza vaccine) is much less likely than methylmercury (the type of mercury in the environment) to accumulate in the body and cause harm.
Less likely isn't the same as Not Harmful. Like I said, weasel words.

Note the use of the word people. People come in different sizes. They have different health conditions. Here is an article on mercury injuries in children from slight exposures. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2773803/

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Nutritional deficiencies and mercury exposure have been shown to alter neuronal function and increase oxidative stress among children with autism. These dietary factors may be directly related to the development of behavior disorders and learning disabilities. Mercury, either individually or in concert with other factors, may be harmful if ingested in above average amounts or by sensitive individuals. High fructose corn syrup has been shown to contain trace amounts of mercury as a result of some manufacturing processes, and its consumption can also lead to zinc loss. Consumption of certain artificial food color additives has also been shown to lead to zinc deficiency. Dietary zinc is essential for maintaining the metabolic processes required for mercury elimination. Since high fructose corn syrup and artificial food color additives are common ingredients in many foodstuffs, their consumption should be considered in those individuals with nutritional deficits such as zinc deficiency or who are allergic or sensitive to the effects of mercury or unable to effectively metabolize and eliminate it from the body.
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@applejuice , you have hit a rich vein of unintentional satire. Poor Dr. Pan--he will be an object of ridicule for the rest of his life.
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Bizarre pro-vaccine pieces from the web

Here's an odd piece that's actually provax, but if I only read this, I would never vax.

http://pediatrics.aappublications.or...peds.2014-1079

Safety of Vaccines Used for Routine Immunization of US Children: A Systematic Review

"This study systematically reviewed the literature on the safety of routine vaccines recommended for children in the United States."

"RESULTS: Of 20 478 titles identified, 67 were included. " Wait. So, of the 20,478 studies on vaccines you only felt 67 were good enough to be included in a review on the safety of the vaccine schedule?!?!?! What the heck did the other 20, 411 articles say?!?!??

It goes on to say the following: "Strength of evidence was high for measles/mumps/rubella (MMR) vaccine and febrile seizures; the varicella vaccine was associated with complications in immunodeficient individuals. There is strong evidence that MMR vaccine is not associated with autism. There is moderate evidence that rotavirus vaccines are associated with intussusception. Limitations of the study include that the majority of studies did not investigate or identify risk factors for AEs; and the severity of AEs was inconsistently reported." Well. That's not reassuring!

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Here's an odd piece that's actually provax, but if I only read this, I would never vax.

http://pediatrics.aappublications.or...peds.2014-1079

"This study systematically reviewed the literature on the safety of routine vaccines recommended for children in the United States."

"RESULTS: Of 20 478 titles identified, 67 were included. " Wait. So, of the 20,478 studies on vaccines you only felt 67 were good enough to be included in a review on the safety of the vaccine schedule?!?!?! What the heck did the other 20, 411 articles say?!?!??

It goes on to say the following: "Strength of evidence was high for measles/mumps/rubella (MMR) vaccine and febrile seizures; the varicella vaccine was associated with complications in immunodeficient individuals. There is strong evidence that MMR vaccine is not associated with autism. There is moderate evidence that rotavirus vaccines are associated with intussusception. Limitations of the study include that the majority of studies did not investigate or identify risk factors for AEs; and the severity of AEs was inconsistently reported." Well. That's not reassuring!
Perfect example! Of course if we understood "science" this would be convincing.
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Let me repeat. "The majority of studies did not investigate or identify risk factors for adverse events."

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Let me repeat. "The majority of studies did not investigate or identify risk factors for adverse events."
Like I said, we just don't understand "science" especially vaccine science. Adverse events are so rare they don't need to be investigated, which is how they know they are rare.

Adverse events from vaccines are like unicorns.

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Here is an article on mercury injuries in children from slight exposures. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2773803/

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http://thesciencepost.com/young-girl...accine-injury/

I want to have some fun finding examples of crazy pro-vaccine parodies, like the one above, obvious pro-vaccine errors (a doctor announcing that the mercury has been removed from the MMR on national TV is perfect), and any other examples of silliness and poor taste from the vaccine pushing side.

The cervical cancer rate halved thread has been a pleasure--I thought a variation thereof might be equally enjoyable.

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You had another thread soliciting media misinformation. But if I have this right, you want to go beyond misinformation into the out-and-out ridiculous. Right?

Did you ever get a screenshot of CHOP claiming that aluminum was essential for healthy fetal development?

My favorite parody of the ridiculous occurred when so many people on the vax-compliance side, from armchair activists and reporters to public health officials, eagerly parroted a press release that HIB vaccination prevents leukemia. Um, yea. So, uh, oops. To me, it was the ultimate trap to reveal the lack of critical thinking skills among even the top compliance-pushers who claim to believe in si-unz and trust eggs-berts. (Kudos to activist-disguised-as-journalist Tara Haelle for stepping out on the limb that she did. Just try to ignore the image of the baby getting apple juice injected into the deltoid ).

To be sure, plenty of ridiculous, cringe-worthy statements come from vax critics. But vax critics aren't the ones in power, setting national, state, and doctors office policies. I hold the latter group to a higher caliber of accountability.
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@applejuice , you have hit a rich vein of unintentional satire. Poor Dr. Pan--he will be an object of ridicule for the rest of his life.
And sadly, he may run for governor, Congressman, or Senator from the land of fruits and nuts.

California politics are horrible. I will cringe watching him in a debate with any opponent.

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You had another thread soliciting media misinformation. But if I have this right, you want to go beyond misinformation into the out-and-out ridiculous. Right?

Absolutely right.

Did you ever get a screenshot of CHOP claiming that aluminum was essential for healthy fetal development?

I do have that somewhere, I'll dig it up tonight if I have time.

My favorite parody of the ridiculous occurred when so many people on the vax-compliance side, from armchair activists and reporters to public health officials, eagerly parroted a press release that HIB vaccination prevents leukemia. Um, yea. So, uh, oops. To me, it was the ultimate trap to reveal the lack of critical thinking skills among even the top compliance-pushers who claim to believe in si-unz and trust eggs-berts. (Kudos to activist-disguised-as-journalist Tara Haelle for stepping out on the limb that she did. Just try to ignore the image of the baby getting apple juice injected into the deltoid ).

I still think it was a planned maneuver from the pro-vaccine folks to show that they DO LOOK CRITICALLY at the science. Consider how many utterly crappy vaccine science pieces are left out there as believable.

To be sure, plenty of ridiculous, cringe-worthy statements come from vax critics. But vax critics aren't the ones in power, setting national, state, and doctors office policies. I hold the latter group to a higher caliber of accountability.

Yes, vaccine critics are also careless and sloppy and this fact is frequently flourished at us, here and elsewhere. I agree that people who are using power to force unsafe and unwanted medical interventions should be held to a higher standard.
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sponsored content--this doctor must be getting those insurance bonuses--ya suppose?

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Here is the screenshot of the CHOP page claiming that aluminum is an essential metal. See page 2
http://vaccinedamagehub.org/chop-alu...sential-metal/ It is a pdf, just click on the link to download.
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Let me repeat. "The majority of studies did not investigate or identify risk factors for adverse events."
This sentence is the answer to your previous question ("what the heck did the other 20, 411 articles say?!?!"). All 20,478 studies were looking at vaccine risks (i.e. risk of adverse effects). But the vast majority of those studies didn't effectively track non-vaccine confounding factors that might have increased the likelihood of adverse health events, so they could not be included in this review.

I'm not on either side here. Just trying to explain what the author was saying.

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This sentence is the answer to your previous question ("what the heck did the other 20, 411 articles say?!?!"). All 20,478 studies were looking at vaccine risks (i.e. risk of adverse effects). But the vast majority of those studies didn't effectively track non-vaccine confounding factors that might have increased the likelihood of adverse health events, so they could not be included in this review.

I'm not on either side here. Just trying to explain what the author was saying.

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This one from Forbes is sort of fun. http://www.forbes.com/sites/briankob.../#58cca63e4f42

The guy is an astrophysicist. This means his opinion on chemistry is probably solid. However, he obviously assumes that every physical body is precisely the same in its ability to clear various types of mercury. Which is absurd.

He also hasn't looked into the toxicology of thimerosal. Here is an example of some of the science which hasn't been sorted out. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23401210

I don't think he would make that sort of unequivocal declaration about something in his own field, do you? But when supporting vaccines, any flavor of scientist will do. When criticizing vaccines, no flavor of scientist counts.
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I'm just going to drop this in here to demonstrate that a lot of supposedly settled science ain't settled at all. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17661216

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Clarkson and Magos (2006) provide their perspectives on the toxicology of mercury vapor and dental amalgam. As scientists who are involved in preparing a German federal guideline regarding dental amalgam, we welcome additional scientific data on this issue. However, Clarkson and Magos do not present all the relevant studies in their review. The additional data provided here show that: (a) Dental amalgam is the main source of human total mercury body burden, because individuals with amalgam have 2-12 times more mercury in their body tissues compared to individuals without amalgam; (b) there is not necessarily a correlation between mercury levels in blood, urine, or hair and in body tissues, and none of the parameters correlate with severity of symptoms; (c) the half-life of mercury deposits in brain and bone tissues could last from several years to decades, and thus mercury accumulates over time of exposure; (d) mercury, in particular mercury vapor, is known to be the most toxic nonradioactive element, and is toxic even in very low doses, and (e) some studies which conclude that amalgam fillings are safe for human beings have important methodogical flaws. Therefore, they have no value for assessing the safety of amalgam.
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Bizarre pro-vaccine pieces from the web

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This sentence is the answer to your previous question ("what the heck did the other 20, 411 articles say?!?!"). All 20,478 studies were looking at vaccine risks (i.e. risk of adverse effects). But the vast majority of those studies didn't effectively track non-vaccine confounding factors that might have increased the likelihood of adverse health events, so they could not be included in this review.



I'm not on either side here. Just trying to explain what the author was saying.



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I looked up the actual study and it said the other studies were either not about vaccines (?!) or they were animal studies.

It still comes down to 67 studies that they can find for all regular childhood vaccines and most didn't look at adverse events. To me, that's not comforting.

Here's the PDF on it. It delineates what studies looked at what: http://pediatrics.aappublications.or...-1079.full.pdf.

"Of those, 17 270 were excluded on review of abstract or title for reasons such as “not about a vaccine,” “vaccine not within the scope of this project” "

Here's what they write about the HIB vaccine, for example:
"Hib Vaccine
The IOM did not study the safety of Hib vaccine. We identified 3 controlled trials of the Hib vaccine in children; 1 was set in the United States, the other 2 in Asia."

To me, this isn't comforting.

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Oooh, this is a good one. http://thesciencepost.com/anti-vacce...s-study-finds/

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The most common allergies in the AV group were being allergic to facts, science and rationality.
I guess they did a study and discovered that allergies are less common in the non-vaxed, so had to do a nonsense report instead!

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What about this gem by Stephen Colbert:
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This is a classic example of smoothing over a real problem. http://www.healio.com/pediatrics/gas...rv-vaccination

The problem. An actual increase in an actual condition in actual babies.

The smoothing over.
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“In our ecological evaluation, a small increased risk of intussusception was observed in children 8 to 11 weeks of age when the majority of rotavirus vaccine doses are given, and this increase is consistent with a small increased risk of intussusception observed in the first week after the first dose in postmarketing studies,” the researchers wrote. “However, given the magnitude of the declines in rotavirus disease compared with the small increased risk of intussusception, the public health benefits of rotavirus vaccination far exceed the increased risk of intussusception.”
How about a rational level of informed consent for the individual? Some mothers might prefer a bout of rotavirus to an increased risk of intussusception? Will they be given the option to decide? Probably not.
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Perhaps we can add a few more recent examples of pro-vaccine absurdities to this thread?
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Not sticking to the schedule can cause vaccine reactions ...
http://www.tribune242.com/news/2017/...ts-fight-life/
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Not sticking to the schedule can cause vaccine reactions ...
http://www.tribune242.com/news/2017/...ts-fight-life/
Yeah. Right.

I wonder if parents who read that will take home the message the PR people want them to get? Or will they think "I'd better be careful how many vaccines are given at one time to my precious baby"?

Sounds to me as though this story is a direct rebuke to the 10,000 vaccines at one time are safe concept.
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I thought he said "10,000 antigens," not "10,000 vaccines?" There is a difference and I'd like to be correct in knowing what he said, since there is a difference. Does anyone have a link to what he said?

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"....then each infant would have the theoretical capacity to respond to about 10 000 vaccines at any one time..."
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