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Italian study shows vaccines contaminated with mirco and nano particles.

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A new published study (This week: 1/23/17) from Italy shows vaccines contaminated with undeclared micro and nano-sized particles!

The study is: New Quality-Control Investigations on Vaccines: Micro- and Nanocontamination. International Journal of Vaccines and Vaccination


What does the study say? It's jaw-droppingly bad, just start with the discussion at the end, the scientists were "baffled", they found a bunch of stuff in ALL pediatric vaccines that they didn't expect to find like Lead, Tungsten, Zirconium, Iron, Nickel, Antimony, stainless steel, and chromium--to name a few! (The one vaccine that was 100% free from inorganic contaminants? A pet vaccine!)

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"The quantity of foreign bodies detected and, in some cases, their unusual chemical compositions baffled us. The inorganic particles identified are neither biocompatible nor biodegradable, that means that they are biopersistent and can induce effects that can become evident either immediately close to injection time or after a certain time from administration. It is important to remember that particles (crystals and not molecules) are bodies foreign to the organism and they behave as such. More in particular, their toxicity is in some respects different from that of the chemical elements composing them, adding to that toxicity which, in any case, is still there, that typical of foreign bodies. For that reason, they induce an inflammatory reaction."
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"Specific researches on components of the vaccines like adjuvants (in most instances, Aluminum salts) are already indicated as possible responsible of neurological symptoms"
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"The investigations verified the physical-chemical composition of the vaccines considered according to the inorganic component as declared by the Producer. In detail, we verified the presence of saline and Aluminum salts, but further presence of micro-, sub- micro- and nanosized, inorganic, foreign bodies (ranging from 100nm to about ten microns) was identified in all cases, whose presence was not declared in the leaflets delivered in the package of the product."
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"As can be seen, the particles are surrounded and embedded in a biological substrate. In all the samples analyzed, we identified particles containing: Lead (Typhym, Cervarix, Agrippal S1, Meningitec, Gardasil) or stainless steel (Mencevax, Infarix Hexa, Cervarix. Anatetall, Focetria, Agrippal S1, Menveo, Prevenar 13, Meningitec, Vaxigrip, Stamaril Pasteur, Repevax and MMRvaxPro)."
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"Figure 3a-3d show particles of Tungsten identified in drops of Prevenar and Infarix (Aluminum, Tungsten, Calcium chloride).
Figure 6a & 6b show one of the foreign bodies identified in Agrippal. The particle is composed of Cerium, Iron, Titanium and Nickel. (Figure 7a & 7b) present an area of Repevax where the morphology of red cells - we cannot tell whether they are human or animal- is clearly visible."
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"The link between these two entities generates an unfolding of the proteins that can induce an autoimmune effect once those proteins are injected into humans."
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"The results of this new investigation show the presence of micro- and nanosized particulate matter composed of inorganic elements in vaccines’ samples which is not declared among the components and whose unduly presence is, for the time being, inexplicable. A considerable part of those particulate contaminants have already been verified in other matrices and reported in literature as non biodegradable and non biocompatible."

http://medcraveonline.com/IJVV/IJVV-04-00072.pdf

I wonder how long this study will remain in print.


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Are you also following Tenpenny's Vaccine Research Library?
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Didn't a German court recently deny something about the measles virus? So much for the science being solid.

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Didn't a German court recently deny something about the measles virus? So much for the science being solid.

http://yournewswire.com/german-supreme-court-measles/
They did indeed, the court agreed that the measles virus has never been isolated, purified, photographed and characterized, therefore it has not been proven to exist. So what's in the vaccine, a whole bunch of cell debris and contaminants.
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From the link in the OP-

The authors present a hypothesis for the reasons why alleged damages from vaccines can appear almost immediately after or take weeks:

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In the former case, the pollutants contained in the drug have reached the brain and, depending on the anatomical site interested have induced a reaction. If that is the case, the whole phenomenon is very rapid. In the latter circumstance, the pollutants reached the microbiota, thus interfering with the production of enzymes necessary to carry out neurological functions. [32-35]. That possibility takes time, as it involves the production of chemical compounds in a sufficient quantity, and an elapse of some weeks between injection and clinical evidence is reasonable.
This explanation helps to refute the pro-vax argument that because reactions don't always happen at the same time for everyone that it can't be the vaccine.
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another article on same
http://info.cmsri.org/the-driven-res...f-contaminants

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GSK’s Fluarix vaccine for children three years and older contained 11 metals and aggregates of metals. Similar aggregates to those identified in the vaccines have been shown to be prevalent in cases of leukemia, the researchers noted.
This is why I just shake my head when the "study after study/safe and effective," frauds start talking about what Trump can and can't do. Let the public get just a whiff of some of this garbage and it won't be up to Trump or any one else. What kind of parent is going to risk this or have it just brushed away with "the one in a million," mantra?
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another article on same
http://info.cmsri.org/the-driven-res...f-contaminants



This is why I just shake my head when the "study after study/safe and effective," frauds start talking about what Trump can and can't do. Let the public get just a whiff of some of this garbage and it won't be up to Trump or any one else. What kind of parent is going to risk this or have it just brushed away with "the one in a million," mantra?
That is why the news about vaccines is so heavily censored. There is a limit to how much parents will put up with, even if they fear childhood illnesses.

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Exactly, and why I have turned my attention to sharing information with people within our local Dept. of Health and every medical professional that I can corner for even 5 minutes.

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Exactly, and why I have turned my attention to sharing information with people within our local Dept. of Health and every medical professional that I can corner for even 5 minutes.

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An interview with the authors of the study by James Lyon-Weiler, lots of very interesting info here, including the funding of the study!

https://jameslyonsweiler.com/2017/02...tti-interview/
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An interview with the authors of the study by James Lyon-Weiler, lots of very interesting info here, including the funding of the study!

https://jameslyonsweiler.com/2017/02...tti-interview/
Links in the comments to attacks from skeptical rapture and scienceblogs.

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Great responses from James Lyons-Weiler!
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Great responses from James Lyons-Weiler!
Poor Jane must be new and not understand that outside the echo chamber, Sycophant Raptor's ramblings aren't very impressive.
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Poor Jane must be new and not understand that outside the echo chamber, Sycophant Raptor's ramblings aren't very impressive.
Certainly not equivalent to peer-reviewed science
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Links in the comments to attacks from skeptical rapture and scienceblogs.

Fast moving those basement dwellers.
Thanks for pointing that out. Yes, Orac and the SR make a VERY good point. There is no evidence he used any controls! Even in those comments you linked, he answered every critical question *except* for the question about where the evidence was that any controls were used.

Additionally, even if the data are true, they actually show how pure vaccines are!

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Therein lies the most problematic issue with the data. The numbers are well below the level of biological activity, if these various chemicals even have biological activity (most don’t). For example, the authors found 1569 particles or precipitates in one drop of Cervarix (an anti-HPV vaccine). Sounds horrific right? Except that one drop of vaccine contains around 1.39 X 10^21 individual molecules. This so called contamination approximately 0.0000000000000000000719% of these so called contaminants.

In that Cervarix sample, the researchers found aluminum hydroxide, one of those scary sounding compounds. Let’s say every one of those 1569 particles was aluminum hydroxide, it would mean that around 0.000000000001 ng of aluminum hydroxide in a vial of vaccine. That is simply biologically irrelevant. Even if the aluminum hydroxide was found, it’s level is so low, that the human body wouldn’t notice it. You breathe in more aluminum on a normal day than you would ever find in a vial of vaccine.
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Let me repeat for emphasis. The investigators think that what they found is that vaccines are contaminated with all sorts of inorganic metals. What they really found is that the amount of inorganic contamination is so low as to be biologically irrelevant. In fact, what they found is that vaccines are incredibly pure products.

And I didn’t even get into a very good question that our scaly friend asked: What were the controls? What would you find if you carried out the same analyses on tap water, for instance? It could very well be that syringe used to draw up and deposit the specimen could be the source of the “contamination.” Hell, it could just as easily be the cellulose matrix on which the specimens are deposited for analysis that were responsible for the “contamination.” I’m familiar with those filters, as they are commonly used in molecular biology. They are not ultra-pure. How were they stored? Often filters can pick up dust from the air. Whatever the source of the particles observed, without controls, there’s no way of knowing if the source was the vaccines or not. It could be that vaccines are even more pure than this study shows!

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Thanks Teacozy.

Very impressive analysis.

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A highly controversial new study on heavy metal contaminated vaccines is under fire, but its detractors fail to understand that, in nano-toxicology, size matters much more than commonly believed. Indeed, sometimes the smaller the size, the greater the toxicity.
http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/met...y-size-matters
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@Mirzam , you just don't understand. If it is in a vaccine, it is safe. It is even good.
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Link found via Mirzam's link. http://www.news-medical.net/news/201...pathology.aspx

She doesn't seem to be a crazy fringe scientist. In fact she sounds and looks a good deal more legitimate than the Orac(le). I've copied over a list of some of her work from the link above.

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Where can readers find more information?

I wrote a number of articles, chapters in somebody else’s scientific books and full books. Much of my results can be found there, but research is advancing so quickly that it is hardly possible to keep up with publications.
  • G. Visania, , 1, , A. Mantib, L. Valentinib, B. Canonicob, F. Loscoccoa, A. Isidoria, E. Gabuccia, P. Gobbib, S. Montanaric, M. Rocchic, S. Papac, A.M. Gattid Environmental nanoparticles are significantly over-expressed in acute myeloid leukemia. Leukemia Research, Volume 50, November 2016, Pages 50–56. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...45212616301916
  • Artoni E1, Sighinolfi GL2, Gatti AM3, Sebastiani M4, Colaci M4, Giuggioli D4, Ferri C4Micro and nanoparticles as possible pathogenetic co-factors in mixed cryoglobulinemia.Occup Med (Lond). 2016 Sep 30. pii: kqw134. [Epub ahead of print] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27694373
  • Antonietta M. Gatti, Stefano Montanari, Case Studies in Nanotoxicology and Particle Toxicology, Elsevier (USA) (ISBN: 978-0-12-801215-4). 2015; 1-260.
  • A. Gatti., S. Montanari “Nanopathology: The health impact of nanoparticles” edited by PanStanford Publishing Pte.Ltd Singapore, ISBN -10981\-4241-00-8, 2008, 1-298.
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Additionally, even if the data are true, they actually show how pure vaccines are!
Yes... pure, pure! I was thinking that the undeclared chunks of lead, aluminum, nickle and such, would be bigger! The inorganics are tiny. Yippee!

I think Montanari addressed this in a much more polite manner than what I would have.

http://www.stefanomontanari.net/sito....html#comments

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And finally there's the surprise. After losing his patience and, as an expert of this particular field, having ranked us among the idiots, now Orac draws his "scientific" conclusions: the garbage we detected shows that the pharmaceutical industries work very well. Yes, you read that correctly.
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Orac draws his "scientific" conclusions: the garbage we detected shows that the pharmaceutical industries work very well.
Reminds me of the evolutionists when a fraud of theirs is exposed, such as the piltdown man fraud, they claim it's proof of evolutionary 'science' working well, self correcting or something like that. Even though it is typically someone outside of the devout believers in the purported 'evidence' for their theory that exposes their fraud.

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Yes... pure, pure! I was thinking that the undeclared chunks of lead, aluminum, nickle and such, would be bigger! The inorganics are tiny. Yippee!

I think Montanari addressed this in a much more polite manner than what I would have.

http://www.stefanomontanari.net/sito....html#comments
Now THAT was a fabulous take down! "Pub Pontiff"!!!!

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Evidently, Mr. Orac has never published anything.
Oh and it sounds like he is a conspiracy theorist to boot!

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Later, the character could not fail to reveal his total alienation not only to the scientific method, but to that of the normal loyalty that applies in every variety of existence: the journal that publishes the results which, however, we denounce vainly for years, is not to his liking. So, what it publishes is necessarily the result of colossal fraud perpetrated against pharmaceutical companies. Which is flawless: it is well-known, in fact, that the "anti-vax" (party I belong to honoris causa) rake rich gains inventing calumnies in respect of vaccines and, of course, we enjoy profits.
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"[n]ever compare myself with jerks", good idea Stefano Montanari, just not worth it.
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In short, once read the "scientific" brainchild of Orac, who sets traps galore and then falls into them head first, if he wanted to make a fool of himself, he has certainly achieved the goal brilliantly.

Finally, it’s evident that I did not learn the lesson: Many years ago I was taught never to enter into discussion with jerks. They have the ability to drag you into a land unknown to you where they are perfectly familiar in which only their rules are valid, rules which may change without notice. There, you lose.
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Therein lies the most problematic issue with the data. The numbers are well below the level of biological activity, if these various chemicals even have biological activity (most don’t). For example, the authors found 1569 particles or precipitates in one drop of Cervarix (an anti-HPV vaccine). Sounds horrific right? Except that one drop of vaccine contains around 1.39 X 10^21 individual molecules. This so called contamination approximately 0.0000000000000000000719% of these so called contaminants.

In that Cervarix sample, the researchers found aluminum hydroxide, one of those scary sounding compounds. Let’s say every one of those 1569 particles was aluminum hydroxide, it would mean that around 0.000000000001 ng of aluminum hydroxide in a vial of vaccine. That is simply biologically irrelevant. Even if the aluminum hydroxide was found, it’s level is so low, that the human body wouldn’t notice it. You breathe in more aluminum on a normal day than you would ever find in a vial of vaccine.
Very misleading since the manufacturers declare 0.5 mg aluminum hydroxide in Cervarix, which was expected to be found and was separated out, but not counted.

Deborah has painstakingly pointed out on another thread, size matters, so we'll leave that alone for purposes of this discussion. Either way, the amount of aluminum hydroxide contained in the vaccine is not "biologically irrelevant," and "0.000000000001 ng of aluminum hydroxide in a vial of vaccine," is not the total amount. Just to be clear.
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Forgive me if this has already been addressed....

Does the study say whether they think the particles were deliberately added (or a known byproduct) but not declared - or were they from some sort of cross contamination?

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I get there are 2 camps on this:

"the dose makes the poison" versus "some things are just so bad that there is no known safe level for humans" but arguing this misses the point, I think, and defintiely lets vaccines manufacturing off the hook.

Vaccines should not have contaminants in them, period...and if they do, the manufacturers should strive to remove them. This is something they should be on top of. That just makes sense.
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Forgive me if this has already been addressed....

Does the study say whether they think the particles were deliberately added (or a known byproduct) but not declared - or were they from some sort of cross contamination?
From the study

Conclusion
The analyses carried out show that in all samples checked

vaccines contain non biocompatible and bio-persistent foreign
bodies which are not declared by the Producers, against which
the body reacts in any case. This new investigation represents a
new quality control that can be adopted to assess the safety of a
vaccine. Our hypothesis is that this contamination is unintentional,
since it is probably due to polluted components or procedures of
industrial processes (e.g. filtrations) used to produce vaccines, not
investigated and not detected by the Producers. If our hypothesis
is actually the case, a close inspection of the working places and
the full knowledge of the whole procedure of vaccine preparation
would probably allow to eliminate the problem.


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It is interesting that the pet vaccine(s) were pure compared to those for humans.
Perhaps because they only have immunity for vaccines for humans.

Can you imagine a very rich person who has an expensive cat being satisfied with 'I'm sorry' if kitty suffered a serious vaccine injury?
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Yes... pure, pure! I was thinking that the undeclared chunks of lead, aluminum, nickle and such, would be bigger! The inorganics are tiny. Yippee!

I think Montanari addressed this in a much more polite manner than what I would have.

http://www.stefanomontanari.net/sito....html#comments
Ouch. Poor Orac.

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