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Is this ebil anti-vaccine science?

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...391?via%3Dihub

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Auism spectrum disorder (ASD) now affects one in 68 births in the United States and is the fastest growing neurodevelopmental disability worldwide. Alarmingly, for the majority of cases, the causes of ASD are largely unknown, but it is becoming increasingly accepted that ASD is no longer defined simply as a behavioral disorder, but rather as a highly complex and heterogeneous biological disorder. Although research has focused on the identification of genetic abnormalities, emerging studies increasingly suggest that immune dysfunction is a viable risk factor contributing to the neurodevelopmental deficits observed in ASD. This review summarizes the investigations implicating autoimmunity and autoantibodies in ASD.
they don't actually mention vaccines in the abstract, but they do mention immune dysfunction, which might implicate environmental factors, which might undermine the profitability of something...

so it may not be anti-vaccine, but it is probably in line to either be ignored or labeled as "junk" science.
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It is a hard one.

In some ways they could be separate: one's belief around the underlying causes of ASD (genetics, environment or both) could be separate from how one feels about vaccines. As such, saying "hey, what environmental causes could be leading to the increase in ASD?" is not automatically anti-vaccine.

That being said, people are not rational. If you LOVE vaccines, then everything you do supports that - and discussing environmental triggers for ASD opens the door to discussing vaccines (and, if you are ultimately a corporate apologist, other things - such as pesticides and other pharmaceuticals as well) which is a no-no.

Enough for now, before I get on a soapbox. Close-mindedness in looking at triggers to ASD really saddens and angers me: ASD hurts so many individuals and families - there should be no sacred cows in researching its causes/triggers.
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It is a hard one.

In some ways they could be separate: one's belief around the underlying causes of ASD (genetics, environment or both) could be separate from how one feels about vaccines. As such, saying "hey, what environmental causes could be leading to the increase in ASD?" is not automatically anti-vaccine.

That being said, people are not rational. If you LOVE vaccines, then everything you do supports that - and discussing environmental triggers for ASD opens the door to discussing vaccines (and, if you are ultimately a corporate apologist, other things - such as pesticides and other pharmaceuticals as well) which is a no-no.

Enough for now, before I get on a soapbox. Close-mindedness in looking at triggers to ASD really saddens and angers me: ASD hurts so many individuals and families - there should be no sacred cows in researching its causes/triggers.
They deviate from the official line in more than one way.

1) imply that autism is increasing
2) deny genetic cause (as we both discuss)
3) make it sound as though autism is difficult

I suspect that there are plenty of scientists who are doubtful about the official line around autism. Including some who "believe" in vaccines.
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They deviate from the official line in more than one way.

1) imply that autism is increasing
2) deny genetic cause (as we both discuss)
3) make it sound as though autism is difficult

I suspect that there are plenty of scientists who are doubtful about the official line around autism. Including some who "believe" in vaccines.
I suspect many scientists believe ASD is caused by an interplay of genetics and environment. That is what much research shows. Hard line pro-vaxxers typically come down on the genetic only side as it suits their purpose (and then they can also pat themselves on the back for being so "non-ableist" wrt ASD, even though for most of them it does not personally touch their lives).
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