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#1 of 9 Old 01-28-2005, 11:28 AM - Thread Starter
 
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Hello,

My friend's son had varivax (chicken pox) vax and now has chicken pox. I want to expose my unvaxed (for chicken pox) 4.5 year old son to her's. Can a vaxed case of varicella be transmitted? Thanks, urgent because her son probably not infectious much longer. Any risks (other than usual Merck scare ad information) re: getting chicken pox from vaxed carrier? THANK YOU!
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Yes. One of my students had her 2 y/o son vaxed, and he came down with a very mild case. My student, in turn, got a very bad case and was hospitalized.

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Someone on here posted recently that it's not a good idea to try to catch CP (or measles, etc.) from a recently-vaxed child. Something about the "attenuated" virus being more likely to lead to complications, and that it is better to catch the illness naturally through wild virus. Maybe do a little more research before you expose him. Sorry I can't give you a straight answer, but I would be hesitant to expose my child in your shoes.
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Thank you all for input,

It is a tough decision, I am hesitant but also fear there is no more wild chickenpox around where I live. Hard to get answers to specific questions on relatively new vaccine other than Japanese studies, instinct tells me exposing to vaxed variety can't be as "good."
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No way in hell would I let my DS near a varivaxed kid. It's not the attenuation that's a problem, it the recombination. No one can possibly know what franken-viruses are occuring now.

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I am hesitant but also fear there is no more wild chickenpox around where I live.
I don't know where you live, nor can I know what wild viruses are really out there anywhere, but that totally reeks of propaganda. Please don't be scared by it. Even if it's true, the real deal is just a plane ride away, if your little ones need exposure...
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aira, it was you I was thinking of! Can you explain what recombination is? I can sort of guess but I don't know for sure. The virus has been modified somehow, right?
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I will be watching this thread, as this is something I am very interested in.

My DD has not yet had the chance to gain natural immunity to CP (unlike her brother) and I really prefer that she DO before adulthood.

BUT, I also am dubious about the vaccine strain virus as opposed to the wild virus.

There is so much emerging info on the CP vax and negative effects, from waning immunity to breakthrough (contagious) infections in the vaxed to erosion of natural immunity.

I have research a LOT on this illness and the vaccine, but this issue, the issue of differences, if any, between the vax strain and the wild virus is not one I have found anything on.

I assume there may be differences, if only because of the evidence to date indicates that the naturally immune are losing immunity due to a lack of exposure to the virus YET it also indicates that breakthrough/contagious cases in the vaxed are widespread. So what gives??? If there is still such widespread chance of exposure due to so many being vaxed with the live virus, WHY is natural immunity NOT being boosted by these exposures as it was from exposures to the wild virus??

A conundrum I have yet to unravel.
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Sage, 5 (never had it that I know of.)
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Yes. One of my students had her 2 y/o son vaxed, and he came down with a very mild case. My student, in turn, got a very bad case and was hospitalized.

HTH
But that was not necessarily because it was from the vaccine exposure.
It could have been because of age os some other reason.

If I were in the op situation, I would expose my child. He is in the right age.

How is the vaccine virus different from the wild?

Can someone explain that to me?

They do not have a different virus. It is the wild CP virus that is harvested and then heated to make it weaker. That is the only difference as far as I know.

When the child comes in contact with it his reaction will be exactly the same as though he had gotten it in any other way. Of course the actual reaction varies from child to child.

And if it was given in combination with other viruses, that really doesn't matter. The other viruses are dead. Besides the reaction to the vaccine comes from the adjuvants not the actual virus.

So the op's child would not be affected by any other virus or any of the additional things in the vaccine, only by the CP virus.

YES, I would expose my child to CP from a vaccinated child.
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