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Are there vaccines that are mercury and aluminum free?
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Are there vaccines that are mercury and aluminum free?
supposedly my doctors office said all of there vax are mercury and aluminum free. But I don't really know how I would find that out.
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If they told you all vaccines are aluminum-free they are either ignorant or they are liars. Bacterial vaccines contain adjuvants- without them the vaccines would not work. The only adjuvants licensed for human use in the US are aluminum.

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Most of these vaccines contain aluminum adjuvants. An adjuvant is added to some vaccines to increase and prolong the immune response; without the adjuvant, the vaccine would not work. Adverse reactions to these adjuvants include sterile abscesses, allergies and increased swelling, redness, tenderness and nodule formation at the vaccination site. “Aluminum also is a neurotoxin,” says Dr. Philip Rudnick, Professor Emeritus of Chemistry at West Chester University of Pennsylvania. “This has been known for over 100 years.” A neurotoxin is a substance that damages the tissues of the nervous system.
http://www.naturalfamilyonline.com/Y...-bacterial.htm

There's also a link in the "Resources" section of that article that takes you to a chart showing the thimerosal content in US licensed vaccines.
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Are there vaccines that are mercury and aluminum free?

None are mercury and alumninum free. They claim to have taken the mercury aka thimerosal, out of vaccines, but there is still 'residual' amounts in the vaccine.

The problem is with the mercury, it goes straight to a young baby's brain and disrupts myelination. This can then cause all the problems from ADD to autism.

As for the aluminum, there is not talk about taking that out. That doesn't affect the child till he is older. Aluminum of course causes alzheimers. It is especially poisonous in combination with fluoride, which is in our water.

The problem is, if they were to take aluminum and mercury out of vaccines, there would still be antifreeze in it, and phenol, and formaldehyde, on and on.

And don't forget, if they take it out, any of it, they have to replace it with something else that serves the same purpose. And who's to say that that would be any better?
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And don't forget, if they take it out, any of it, they have to replace it with something else that serves the same purpose. And who's to say that that would be any better?
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Dr. Robert Mendelsohn said that the medicals/pharmacos never abandon one drug/procedure/treatment without another one that is even worse, and more awesome, waiting in the wings...

Then, and only then if we are lucky, will they even admit the shortcomings and dangers of the drug/procedure/treatment that is being replaced.

"The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie, deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive and unrealistic."
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As the PP said, most vaxes are not mercury free. The thimerosal is still used in the manufacture of the vaccines, and then is later "removed", leaving trace amounts behind. Trace amounts in many, many shots can add up to a lot.
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Can they make you immunize your child?
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darcy,

i posted a link for you on another thread but I don't think you saw it.

here is the text.


Updated: feb 17, 2005

Please note that as of now, Feb 2005 I have once again updated this cheat sheet. There were some broken links to threads in MDC that I needed to either resurrect or replace. and I dumped some of the broken links to outside MDC... -Tracy


The other vax list:

FIRST OFF

If you are reading this list for the first time you may feel a bit overwhelmed. Take a deep breath and know this: You do not have to follow the doctor’s schedule for vaccinating your baby. You are well within your rights to delay until you make whatever decision makes you comfortable. This is your child, and your child deserves a well-educated decision, which can only be achieved by viewing all sides of an issue then choosing the path that is best for your child.


BACKGROUND

I decided to put together a list of links and books for those people who periodically ask me for vax information. When I say vax information I mean the “other” vax information.

There is one general vax assumption out there which pulsates like a drum beat….it says, “JUST DO IT.” I don’t need to support that message, there are plenty of ways one can get that information it’s just about anywhere....

I’ve compiles this list for those people who are questioning vaxing and the possible long term effects of it….. (we are a growing lot, by the way). Anyway, here are the links I learned about from friends, from my own researching, and from the mothering.com community of likeminded moms.



HARD NUMBERS


For me, I think the first place to begin is with hard numbersJust how many cases of all these vax-diseases do we get here in the united states? (by the way, if you are out of the us I recommend you search your country’s online stats)

This is one of the hardest to find pages at the cdc… the way that I actually found this page was by accident. I had called the CDC to find out about hib cases and I got a doctor and he sent me to this page…

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/mmwr_wk.html

if you download the current issue it gives you the most uptodate stat that the cdc has on the reportable diseases by the way, the stats are at the end of the document. Anyway, I would start there first.


But just to give you an idea:
Here are the hard numbers for 2003. This is what I found for the last week of the year..... this is the total amount of cases reported to the CDC for 2003.....

Total reported cases to the cdc:

Disease Cases

Diptheria 1
Measles 41
Mumps 186
Rubella 7
Congenital rubella 0
Tetanus 14
Hib (under 5)
Sero b-20
Non sero b-80
Unknown b-178


Out of a population of 280 million people in the united states!!

If you check it now, you will see the number of cases for the year as of now (well to be specific as of last Friday..they update the list on Fridays or weekends-from what I can tell).

Remember it is a cumulative list... it is not that many cases per week. It's the year to date.

I will say that critics of the CDC will say that the numbers don't reflect all the cases since sometimes the cases are so mild they don't even get reported or people don't even go to the doctors because the symptoms are so manageable.

HARD NUMBERS ONE MORE TIME

Can we just go back to the topic of “hard numbers” …one more time.....

One of the smartest things a friend of mine who doesn’t vax said over and over again when I started to question vaxing (before my son was born) “start to figure out what your child is really at risk of getting.” And then weigh the risks of the vax to the real risks of getting the disease.

For example:
I live in a county with ten million people. Ten million people, that’s a lot. The last figures available online from the county health department were for 1999. That year there was one (1) case of measles reported. It was in a 44 year old woman.

There were also 250 cases of pertussis, (whooping cough) 250 out of 10 million is not much of a stat and then when I looked closer at the records I saw that of the 250 people, a certain percentage were children and of those children most had been vaxed for the disease. Only two children of the 250 were not vaxed and they were in a poor neighborhood with poor nutrition and possibly weakened immunity…Again in a county of ten million.

Also, periodically there are reports that come out stating that a city is experiencing an “epidemic” of pertussis. But what the article doesn’t always say is the number of pertussis cases that make an epidemic and of those cases many are in vaxed or partially vaxed children. There is an assumption made that it is always non vaxed children who get pertussis or are responsible for the rise of the disease. I hate that assumption and I really hate reporters who don’t do their homework.

I actually wonder if my own pediatrician knows those numbers… he probably does not…because that is the kind of research only parents who question have the dedication to find out….

More stats to consider

so as we have already noted.... and you can double check this with almost any of the books listed below....

roughly the cases per year in the US of the following
measles 40
mumps 600
rubella 300 of those
moms who caught it and gave CRS to their children is 25
5 cases of diptheria per year

and Polio has been eradicated in the western hemisphere and western Europe. As of 2003 there were around 700 cases of polio world wide and they were primarily in hot spots in india, pakistand and subsahara africa.

http://www.who.int/features/2004/polio/en/#


And then there is the data on vaccine injuries...kept by US dept of health..basically a summery of the most dangerous vaxes...here is a link that contains that link plus more:

http://www.thememoryhole.org/health...us_vaccines.htm



MORE LINKS ON VAX

Then these links are valuable for information about vaxes and vax damages and other associations with vaccines.

http://www.mothering.com/sections/experts/tenpenny.html


www.mercola.com

www.909shot.com

http://home.san.rr.com/via/

www.vaccinationdebate.com

http://www.vaccineinfo.net/


http://www.vaclib.org./
http://www.*********/vaccines/mendelsohn.html

http://www.*********/v/mend.html

more on vax ingredients

http://www.momtoanangel.net/ingred.htm
http://www.**********/general32/thru.htm

http://befreetech.com/vaccine_poisons.htm

http://www.justeatanapple.com/vaccination.html


Here is Sheri Nakken's site...her site is loaded with info.

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm


This organization is not necessarily where you go for vax information, but this is an institute that is passionately working on autism and helping parents and released the report last year about the epidemic proportion of autism in California. Caveat: the man who started this organization, his son developed autism after the MMR and he has been very vocal about such.

http://mindinstitute.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu/

INSERTS


A doctor is suppose to give you the inserts whenever they give your child a shot….I must say, from what I understand (since I passed on shots) that usually for some reason doesn’t happen….
Anyway, here is a link to those inserts

http://www.vaclib.org/chapter/inserts.htm

STATE STUFF

There was a pretty thorough state by state thread on MDC but it is gone now, so I have resurrected this state thread. Basically the purpose of this thread was to help people go to their State Government websites and find out how many reported diseases there were in their area. Unfortunately, the nature of state governments is to change their websites a lot so some of the links within this thread may be broken. But I will try to clean up this thread with updated links. But you might want to check and see if your state is there and if the link is still good.


http://www.mothering.com/discussion...d=1#post2134786


WHAT EXEMPTIONS CAN I USE IN MY STATE FOR MY NON VAX CHILD TO GO TO SCHOOL?

http://www.909shot.com/state-site/state-exemptions.htm

and here is an example of exemption document you can offer your doctor if they want you to sign something.

http://www.vaclib.org/legal/refuselt.htm

any legal concerns?

http://www.vaccineexemption.org/


MORE DISCUSSION THREADS:

Mothers on mdc have many hours of research in each of them… here are some informative links to those discussions..

And for goodness sake, take your time.. you don't have to read all these threads at once. Just tackle it bit by bit.

topic: Reasons why some people don’t vax


http://www.mothering.com/discussion...ghlight=reasons


topic: Everyday life with my unvaxed child

http://www.mothering.com/discussion...=older+children

topic: besides mercury why I don't vax....

http://www.mothering.com/discussion...hlight=confused



topic: Is there a correlation btw eczema and certain vaccines

http://www.mothering.com/discussion...ighlight=eczema


topic: convince me to skip the MMR

http://www.mothering.com/discussion...hlight=skip+mmr


topic: ingrediants

http://www.mothering.com/discussion...ad.php?t=179768


topic: tetanus

(thread to come)

topic: my kid isn't vaxed but yours is..

http://www.mothering.com/discussion...5&highlight=kid



topic: flu 2003 the fat thread

http://www.mothering.com/discussion...hlight=flu+2003


topic: chicken pox

http://www.mothering.com/discussion...ght=chicken+pox

topic: does stopping vaxes midstream negate earlier vaxs

http://www.mothering.com/discussion...light=midstream


CANADA

Here is a canada link that might be helpful for those in canada

http://64.41.99.118/vran/legal/legal.htm

WIC STUFF

and for those who receive assistance and are afraid that you HAVE to vax or might lose wic .... please check this out:

http://www.mothering.com/discussion...threadid=111461



ANTIBIOTICS

And this thread is very important in my opinion…even if you decide to vax…please, please, please..don’t ever do it after antibiotics…delay way, way, way after..

edit to add:
I should say that some of the postings got edited out for various reasons..primarily to protect the poster. But basically, the patterns that have popped up... baby gets ear infections,.. gets antibiiotics, the antibiotics wipe out the good stuff in the intestines. then the baby gets something like MMR and the measles run amock in the intestines because there is no good flora to fight them... anyway at a conference in chicago in late spring 2003, this was brought up as part of the link in why autistic children have more measles in their systems than other children... (do a google search on Dr. Geier you should find them)
but here is this abbreviated thread from health and healing

http://www.mothering.com/discussion...d=1#post2134917

But if you want more info… please put the word “antibiotics” in the search engine on Vax and you’ll get more discussion.

Roll call: Autism/Vax damage

http://www.mothering.com/discussion...isplay.php?f=47


BACK ISSUES OF MOTHERING

And speaking of Mothering… some back issues of the magazine have been completely dedicated to this issue and I recommend you poke around at this site and see if you might want to pick up some.

look here:

http://www.mothering.com/shop/back_issues.html


BOOKS TO READ

Get thy butt to Amazon


And finally here are books with the amazon.com links, which are very, very and very important to know about…read, study etc…. I started with Nuestadder’s book but I encourage you to check out the amazon links and see where you want to start.. (note: I provided the links to amazon..but if you want to help mothering.com, please consider purchasing the books via Powell’s books which you will find the link here on mothering.com…a portion of the purchase will come back to mothering)

· The Vaccine Guide: Making an Informed Choice by Randall Neustaedter, Randall the Immunization Decision Neusdaedter (Paperback)

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...=books&n=507846


· How to Raise a Healthy Child in Spite of Your Doctor by Robert S. Mendelsohn (Paperback)

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...=glance&s=books


· Confessions of a Medical Heretic by Robert S. Mendelsohn (Paperback)

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...g=UTF8&v=glance

· A Shot in the Dark: Why the P in the Dpt Vaccination May Be Hazardous to Your Child's Health by Harris L. Coulter, Barbara Loe Fisher (Paperback)

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...=glance&s=books


· Vaccines: Are They Really Safe and Effective by Neil Z. ******, et al (Paperback)

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...=glance&s=books


Jamie Murphy. What Every Parent Should know about Childhood Immunization

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/A...9894397-2579829



· The Immunization Resource Guide : Where to Find Answers to All Your Questions about Childhood Vaccinations by Diane Rozario (Paperback)

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...=glance&s=books

· What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Children's Vaccinations by Stephanie Cave, Deborah Mitchell (Contributor) (Paperback)

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...g=UTF8&v=glance


· Smart Medicine for a Healthier Child: A Practical A-To-Z Reference to Natural and Conventional Treatments for Infants and Children by Janet Zand, et al (Paperback)
· I should say, this book is pro-vax..which I am not thrilled about…but the other stuff is very, very helpful)

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...=glance&s=books



· Vaccinations: A Thoughtful Parent's Guide: How to Make Safe, Sensible Decisions about the Risks, Benefits, and Alternatives by Aviva Jill Romm (Paperback)

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/A...9894397-2579829



· The Sanctity of Human Blood: Vaccination Is Not Immunization - Sixth Edition - 2003 -- Tim O'Shea; Paperback

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...=glance&s=books


· Naturally Healthy Babies & Children: A Commonsense Guide to Herbal Remedies by Aviva Jill Romm, William Sears (Paperback)

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...=glance&s=books


IN CLOSING

And finally, this really should be stated over and over again….

NO ONE HAS TO FOLLOW ANY DOCTOR’S RULES FOR VAXING. MEANING YOU DON’T HAVE TO FOLLOW THE DOCTOR’S SCHEDULE. YOU MAKE YOUR OWN. IF YOU WANT TO DELAY VAXING UNTIL YOU’VE DONE YOUR RESEARCH AND YOU FEEL CONFIDENT ABOUT THAT DECISION THEN THAT IS WHAT YOU SHOULD DO. DELAY UNTIL YOU ARE SURE OF WHAT YOU ARE DOING. AND NOT ONE MINUTE BEFORE. REMEMBER IT IS YOUR CHILD. NOT YOUR DOCTOR’S.

good luck and happy researching!

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Thank you for posting that Tracy!
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I looked at my Daughters immunization card she has had her 2 and 4 month shots which are DTap/Polio/one Hib/Hep B/pcv all of which she had one of each at the 2 and 4 month visits except the hib so is it to late Iam new at being concerned about vaxing all I know so far is there is mercury and a few other things in them that harm a childs brain and I only know this from reading the no vax threads and I would like someone to tell me why it took me tell 37 yrs old to know about this I have a son almost 20 and a Daughter almost 14 they seem normal and my 6 month old Daughther so far is doing all the things a baby her age does.Why do they tell us how important it is to vax our kids if it is dangerous? scared and confused want to know more and now Iam worried about the shots my child has had and last week I got a tetnus shot because I punctured my foot.I need someone to talk too.
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Another question I have is how do you find out if the state you live in can or cannot make you vax your kids?
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Hi Darcy,

It's never too late to stop vaccinating. Don't beat yourself up because you didn't realize the education resources that were out there and trusted your pediatrician and other MDs to tell you the "truth."

The best way to find out about your state's vaccine exemption is to go to www.vaclib.org
There you can find your state's legal information and also find a local support group.

There is a TON of information on these boards, some provax, a lot antivax, and it will be confusing for a while, but just try to muddle through. Start with the issues that are coming up soon for your child, i.e. their next scheduled vaccination. Learn about those first. Don't worry about the ones they've already received unless a booster is in the near future.

Most of us will be happy to chat with you one-on-one if you PM us with a specific question, OK?

BTW, thanks for being so concerned about your kids. You're a great mom.

Lastly, take the time to really read through Tracy's post. She has all the important resources there, all the good books, websites that will help you make the best decision regarding your and your childrens' future vaccination choices.

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chiro kristin I cant help but feel like I put my child in danger holding her for those shots but I understand what you are saying.she is suppose to have her 6 month shots friday but she has a bad cold the shot she is due to have are DTap which would be her third one/Polio it would be her third one also/they were out of Hib last time and she should be getting her third hib this friday so I dont know how they work that one out/friday she is suppose to be getting her third Hep B/friday she is suppose to be getting her third PCV can you tell me about these vaccines? which are dangerous and why?
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she is suppose to have her 6 month shots friday but she has a bad cold the shot she is due to have are DTap
please CANCEL that appointment. She is not well... she should not have any shots at this time........

keep researching. I've pm'd you.

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There are vaccines that are totally mercury and aluminum free. They are the MMR and the chickenpox. They are the live vaccines, which don't need aluminum as an adjuvant, and any mercury used in the production would kill the virus.

Not that the MMR and chickenpox vaccines are safe, but to answer your question, they are the ones that are mercury and aluminum free.
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