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My hubby and I were suddenly struck by the fact that he's been on allergy shots for quite a long time & began to wonder if they also have some of the nasty toxins in them as well. I'm trying to find stuff on the net, but nothing so far.

We think it might have one of the toxic preservatives, such as thermisoral, because they pre-order about a year's supply and keep it in the clinic for his shot visits - we doubt it's just sitting there "au naturale"...

Anyone know?
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I have asked this myself many times (here also). No response. Web searches turn nothing informational up. I can't figure it out...
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I would ask for the package inserts next time he's in.

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What exactly is the name of the allergy medicine?

I've been searching for 20 some minutes and can't find the answer. Now I am curious.

I would say for sure it has SOME preservative in it.
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Allergy shots are a custom blend of the allergans that an individual reacts to. Each if a custom blend for an individual. So, the suspension used to blend and store them in is what I am curious about.

Everyone, thanks for the interest and thoughts so far. Sounds like this definitely needs further investigation!
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Are they homeopathic in nature? If you do find that they are toxic, your dh may want to check out homeopathy as an alternate route.
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Allergy shots are a custom blend of the allergans that an individual reacts to. Each if a custom blend for an individual. So, the suspension used to blend and store them in is what I am curious about.

Yes of course.

You can see we have NO experience with that sort of med in our house and hopefully we NEVER will.

But I searched again - NADA. NOTHING. ZERO. I can not come up with anything.
Why?

Please ask the doctor and inform us all. I am very curious now.
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Allergy shots are not homeopathic in nature, as the concentrations of the allergen are far higher than that used in Homeopathic remedies, however, the general concept is the same, so I often use allergy shots as a good parallel to explain homeopathy to allopathic medical types (there's a bunch in my family...). As they are brewed up by a phamacist and (I believe) the individual allergens manufactured by big pharma, It would stand to reason that they have nasty goods in them. Hubby was supposed to get a shot today, but instead is going to try and see if they have inserts for these things (custom blended meds may not....) and if not how he can contact whoever compounds the stuff to find out..

I'll keep ya updated....I'm hoping the lack of info on the net means they're okay, as I can't imagine no one has thought about this before - but we'll see...
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They should at least be able to give you the ingredients of the base solution/preservatives used for the shot. It's not like they're custom mixed in your MD's office. They are usually ordered.

Hopeful thinking on the lack of information bit, but I'd have to say that, more likely than not, lack of news isn't good news.

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Here are a few links to sites that mention the ingredients in allergen suppression therapy (allergy shots). Preservatives are used. The efficacy of these depend on the time and temps they are stored (as well as the type of preservative used).

http://www.hollister-stier.com/downl...365107-H03.pdf

http://www.wramc.amedd.army.mil/depa...EL/product.htm

http://www.aafp.org/afp/20040815/689.html

http://www.jcaai.org/pp/ai_11_allergenselection.asp

Several sites mention that allergy shots should be discontinued after about three years as a person "plateaus". The symptoms may or may not return after the shots are discontinued, and the doc and patients need to decide if they want to start again if the symptoms recur.

My grandfather was a doctor, and he used to joke that being an allergy specialist was the perfect money maker as your patients never got well. By the way, he was a surgeon, not an allergist!

Hope this helps!
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Thanks sooooo much for the links! I'm going to check them out right away...


My hubby is on his way now to the allergy guy, so we'll see if they've still got the ingredients info for his vial (they've been using it for several months...)
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Tell me, please. I too want to know.

As a child I was allergic to pollen. I got shots for a while but they made me feel abnormal -- it was the idea that I had to take them. So I told my parents I wanted to quit. After I quit my allergies never came back.

I really was allergic, now I'm not. So was I cured by the shots, or would I have outgrown the sniffles -- shots or no?

Could my allergies have come from the fact that I was vaccinated?
In my day, complete vaccinations were DPT & MMR between 1 mo and 1 year. A sugar cube with pink liquid in elementary school.

NEW TOPIC: I never paid attention in the past, but for the past 6 mos or more, I've had a cold once a month. A couple times it coincidentally arrived along with sneezes from dust or vomiting from a food reaction, but it has a schedule independent of these things. What gives?
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To the OP:

poisons - in shots
http://poisonevercure.150m.com/ingredients.htm



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As a child I was allergic to pollen. I got shots for a while but they made me feel abnormal -- it was the idea that I had to take them. So I told my parents I wanted to quit. After I quit my allergies never came back.I really was allergic, now I'm not. So was I cured by the shots, or would I have outgrown the sniffles -- shots or no?

That's anyone's guess. I would say you may have outgrown them anyway. But sometimes just giving the body a rest from reacting does seem to change things, too. I don't know?



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Could my allergies have come from the fact that I was vaccinated?

Yes, definitely. When foreign protein is injected in white mice they always get an allergy from it. So chances are very good that you got your allergies from the vaccine.


I'll leave the rest of your questions to someone else.


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NEW TOPIC: I never paid attention in the past, but for the past 6 mos or more, I've had a cold once a month. A couple times it coincidentally arrived along with sneezes from dust or vomiting from a food reaction, but it has a schedule independent of these things. What gives?
If you have truly been documenting everything and can honestly say without a doubt it is independent of any known precursor or possible allergen, you could be having problems with 100% functioning of your immune system. This could be due to interference with the nervous system (which controls the immune system), possibly caused by a subluxation. Subluxations can be caused by repetitive minor trauma, major trauma, thoughts, and toxins (like actual toxins or medications or food reactions, for example). Only a chiropractor can determine if you have a subluxation.

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Ok, Hubby was able to look at the vial yesterday at the allergists office and in addition to the allergenic substances (cat dander, etc. all the stuff that is supposed to help him get over the allergies) there is Sodium Chloride (normal saline) and phenol (which I think is not good for ya...), and that's it. So I'm going to do some further research on the phenol.

OT Re: the earlier post on allergies that went away - I'm reading info on the research of Weston Price and that whole philosophy of nutrition allowing the bodies ability to repair itsself - much of it makes sense and there is some pretty good documentation! So, according to that, if you're eating right (according to what THEY found to be right...) then you shouldn't be allergic to anything - that it is your immune system malfunctioning because you're body doesn't have the right ingredients from your food to work well.

Anyways, if anyone is interested, the book I'm reading is "Traditional foods are your best medicine" by an ND who is into the weston price way of thinking when it comes to nutrition. FYI - I got the book because 2 different gals in my local no-vax group are on this diet and claim remarkable results of healing previous gastrointestinal disorders and other things.


I'm going to cruise to the nutrition board and see if there is more info on all this over there.
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NT, or Nourishing Traditions is also based on Price's work (check out the NT mamas thread in Nutrition&Good Eating).
As far as food allergies go, I read about a theory (sorry, can't remember where) that they can be linked with pesticides (and other toxins, of course). We all know the first exposure to a protein will not give a reaction, it's the SECOND one to watch for (because the body, if allergic, needs to build up antibodies to the protein). If ingested along with a pesticide, the body confuses the protein (say peanuts for example) with the toxin, and builds a resistance to the protein because it thinks it's under attack.
Many alternative/holistic philosophies are based on the body's ability to heal itself, given the proper stimulus and opportunity. I'm rereading Dr. Pitcairn's Natural Health for Dogs & Cats right now, and he has an excellent chapter on holistic and alternative therapies that applies to people as much as it would to animals. His section on vaccinations is also interesting. (I'm keeping my fingers crossed that my mom, who just bought the book to help her dog's skin allergies, will read it). He states that he believes vaccines can cause allergic reactions.
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When a combination vaccine is given, a massive invasion of several potent pathogens charges quickly into the bloodstream, bypassing the frontline defenses. Is it any wonder that the immune system gets confused, "panics" and begins attacking the body itself?
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some allergy shots contain glycerine as the preservative. Since they are made for individuals and perserved for a shorter time, the nastier stuff isn't "needed". The base solution is saline.

I used to work for an allergist. BTW we did have glycerine free versions, those needed to be refridgerated at all times.

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Here it is: Phenol
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Thanks Gitti! YUCK! Phenol is not something I want in hubby's system! Now, to convince him that the allergy shots aren't worth it and to try homeopathy or naturopathic treatment instead.....

By teh way - that website has great pages on it! One page has the package insert info for each vaccine, another listed gov't officials and their ties to big pharma. Good stuff!
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some allergy shots contain glycerine as the preservative. Since they are made for individuals and perserved for a shorter time, the nastier stuff isn't "needed". The base solution is saline.

I used to work for an allergist. BTW we did have glycerine free versions, those needed to be refridgerated at all times.
I asked at my son's allergist the other day and this is just what they said was in his.
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Thanks for the ideas. They all sound plausible but I don't know if I will ever find which one applies to me. I just got colds regularly enough that after about 3 times I cast my mind back and thought, y'know, I've had colds about once a month.

I went to a seminar by Sally Fallon and during the socializing afterwards I met an interesting man. He said the military gave him a vaccine every six weeks. He was discharged, and got the flu every six weeks.

I think my mother raised my siblings with half good and half bad principles (about nutrition) because she was a farm girl who became a nurse. We grew up with incongruous beliefs side by side with no way to reconcile them. I feel like I just learned what I shouldve known all along.
I can look back on every time I needed the doctors and not come up with one thing they could do for me.
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