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Old 10-22-2005, 10:24 PM
 
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"Public health decisions need to be based on sound evidence. If this principle had been applied in the case of the MMR dispute, we would have avoided all this fuss."
What sound evidence are the vx manufacturers providing that vaxes don't cause harm? Oh yeah, none, because proof is only required if you're concerned about your kids health.
And that's the point, because this stupid study admitted that the evidence was incomplete with missing data insufficiently explained, so exactly what principle is This doctor talking about? The shonky evidence the study admits to? The fact that pre license and post license data was totally inadequate???

Actually, the way I read it in the HTML , they located thousands of studies, whittled them down to 139 which looked to be reasonably 'scientific' and then ended up with a few handful about WHICH THEY STILL HAD RESERVATIONS...

So how Dr Stuckhead can say that they could have avoided the fuss by sticking to a principle which was never upheld in the first place, totally beats me.

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And that's the point, because this stupid study admitted that the evidence was bed, so exactly what principle is This doctor talking about? The bad evidence the study admits to?

Actually, the way I read it int he HTML , they located about 5,000 (or was it 3,000) studies, whittled that down to 139 and then ended up with a few handful OF WHICH THEY HAD RESERVATIONS...

So how Dr Stuckhead can say that they could have avoided the fuss by sticking to a principle which was never upheld in the first place, totally beats me.
Yeah, I think I read on UK Jabs site that they started with 3,000 studies and then selected 31 of those 139. Gee....so much bad science to be waded through. But this, we're supposed to believe this so called study?
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Ack I went and changed mine after you'd quoted it... .. I should think before I leap, huh?

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I don't care about what other people say........I have all the proof I need sitting right here on my lap. He is the sweetest little guy and he has all my support. I will be doing all I can to let others Know what happened to my son and I will try to help things change for the better.
Bless your heart and your little guy.

It takes tremendous courage to come to places like this and share your story. I know how this feels to a point. My daughter so far has not suffered any ill effects past her seizure from her shots. I won't know till later of course for sure. I really feel for those parents who end up with damaged children or worse, dead . I also share my daughter's story to make sure folks know the other side to this vaccination push. Somehow, I feel I have a job to wake people up on this.

I wish you the best in life sweetie.
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That the MMR had an effect on my boys that yes sent them 'over the edge' but it wasn't the MMR alone.
Having children born in the 90's generation with high level Thmerosal content, that set them up to have a reaction from the MMR that they might not have had if the mercury content was lower in other vax's than it is today. Make sense?
Even that being the case, I have decided my 4th child won't get the MMR as a precaution since in 2002, there were still some high dose Thimerosal vaccines out there, and she was vaxed for others.
I thought of doing MMR separately(can't get them here)but I'm not sure even that would be a good idea. Her immune system could still be skewed. Doing them separately, the measles could still remain in her gut whether its 3 in 1 or 1 at a time. Am I way off base thinking that?

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I thought of doing MMR separately(can't get them here)but I'm not sure even that would be a good idea. Her immune system could still be skewed. Doing them separately, the measles could still remain in her gut whether its 3 in 1 or 1 at a time. Am I way off base thinking that?

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No, you're not off base in thinking that.

I do believe, however, that some kids will develop autism after measles vaccination even if they've never had a shot with thimerosal in it. Some kids will be susceptible no matter what.
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I though mercury wasn't the only problem... isn't aluminum and other vaccine ingredients also a possible cause of autism? So even if thimeresol is taken out, there could still be vaccine risks (http://www.petitiononline.com/NoMadVac/petition.html , http://www.altcorp.com/DentalInforma...umvaccines.htm, http://www.luminet.net/~wenonah/riddick/vaccine.htm).
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i'm so sick of the media being lap dogs to the pharma companies and the governments - why don't they do just a little bit of the research us mothers do? And they way they treat parents as imbeciles who are just looking for someone to blame if our children have problems. Regression in autism is a scientifically proven phenonema - but no one knows WHY it happens. Er, that's probably because they don't want to look. My ds has gut problems and i am not even sure if a single measles vaccine is a good thing for him, because he already has the weakness in his gut. Can't find much research on that of course.
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