Does he really need a booster MMR? - Mothering Forums
Forum Jump: 
 
Thread Tools
#1 of 14 Old 11-13-2005, 11:35 PM - Thread Starter
 
homeschoolmommyof1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Villa Kunterbunt in Cajun Country
Posts: 187
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I have an 11yr old son and he is coming up for a booster shot...I believe it is the MMR booster.
He is up to date on his shots ( I wished that I found out more about vaccination before I had him ), he even got the Hep B shot when he was born. We lived on Oahu at the time and it was explained to me that since we are on such a small Island with people from all over the world coming to vacation here- it would be best
We almost lost him at 3 wks of age b/c of RSV, he was in the hospital for over a month....after that I was scarred to death and thought that I was doing him a favor by making sure he received all his shots.
He did receive his shots seperatly ( I really don't know what kind they were but they had to order them ) since my immune system was way down b/c of my chemo at the time.
I feel horrible about not knowing for sure what kind they were- I just went with the flow back then

Anyhow- can I just forget about the booster shot that his ped just asked me about?????
homeschoolmommyof1 is offline  
#2 of 14 Old 11-13-2005, 11:38 PM
 
Jen123's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 2,962
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Yup. Forget about it.

And don't kick yourself up about it.

You did what most parents , including myself do...the best they know how at the time. Now that you know better..you can do better.

I think Maya Angelou said that.
Jen123 is offline  
#3 of 14 Old 11-13-2005, 11:45 PM - Thread Starter
 
homeschoolmommyof1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Villa Kunterbunt in Cajun Country
Posts: 187
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Thanks Jen, I just wished I had known better back then. But now I do and I really think we will skip it.
homeschoolmommyof1 is offline  
#4 of 14 Old 11-13-2005, 11:56 PM
 
Momtezuma Tuatara's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 8,091
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
If your doctor hounds you, get him to test his blood antibody titres for measles, mumps and rubella. If they are high, there is no reason at all to have any shots.

Course, the converse is that if they are low or non-existent, he will badger you even more.

“I want to sell drugs to everyone. I want to sell drugs to healthy people. I want drugs to sell like chewing gum.” former Merck CEO, Henry Gadsden

Momtezuma Tuatara is offline  
#5 of 14 Old 11-14-2005, 12:07 AM - Thread Starter
 
homeschoolmommyof1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Villa Kunterbunt in Cajun Country
Posts: 187
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
That is a good idea, I will do that if he happens to ask again.

Luckily we do not go to the ped often, I thought that my son might have broken his leg the other day and that is why we ended up at his office.
The last time before that it had been a couple of yrs since he had seen us
homeschoolmommyof1 is offline  
#6 of 14 Old 11-14-2005, 12:13 AM
 
DevaMajka's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Burnaby, BC
Posts: 10,529
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Yes, and something like 95% of people develop "probably lifetime" immunity (that part's from the cdc. hehehe) after just 1 dose of MMR at 12 mos. That number is 98% if it's given after 15 mos.
So, the booster is just to "catch" those that didn't develop immunity the first time around.
If you want links to that info, I can find them for you. I'm pretty sure it came from the cdc, and a manufacturer for MMR.

HTH

Becky, partner to Teague, SAHM to Keagan (7yo), Jonah (2yo)
 

DevaMajka is offline  
#7 of 14 Old 11-14-2005, 12:19 AM - Thread Starter
 
homeschoolmommyof1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Villa Kunterbunt in Cajun Country
Posts: 187
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Wow- I did not know that, yes I would love more info on that

Thanks!!!!
homeschoolmommyof1 is offline  
#8 of 14 Old 11-14-2005, 12:42 AM
 
DevaMajka's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Burnaby, BC
Posts: 10,529
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
here's a link to the thread I started on this a while back- it has a link to cdc info http://www.mothering.com/discussions...&highlight=mmr
there's good info from other people there too

from http://www.vaccineinformation.org/measles/qandavax.asp (provax site)
"How effective is this vaccine?
The first dose of MMR vaccine produces immunity to measles in 95-98% of children vaccinated. The reason for the second dose is to protect those persons who did not become immune after one dose. After two doses of measles vaccine, 99% of persons become immune to the disease."

"How effective is this vaccine?
Approximately 95% of individuals become immune to mumps after a single dose of vaccine. The second dose of MMR vaccine is intended to produce immunity in the 5% of persons who did not respond to the first dose. This also ensures that the individual gets another chance to become immune to measles and rubella."

"How effective is this vaccine?
Approximately 95% of individuals become immune to rubella after a single dose of vaccine. The second dose of MMR vaccine is intended to produce immunity in the 5% of persons who did not respond to the first dose."

Another from the CDC http://wonder.cdc.gov/wonder/prevgui...1/m0053391.asp
"Measles antibodies develop among approximately 95% of children vaccinated at age 12 months and 98% of children vaccinated at age 15 months (CDC, unpublished data). "

I was actually looking for a specific site that I found, I think it was a manufacturer of MMR, but of course I never saved it. lol. Ah well- as I was searching for it, I found that you can find lots of info similar to what I've posted by doing a search for "measles mumps rubella 95" in www.dogpile.com or another search engine.

And- I want to add that this is the case for just about every vaccine, that the vast majority of people will develop immunity before they have received all of the suggested doses. For dtap, for example, most people are as immune as they will get after 3 doses. I was quite surprised to find this out!!! Just one of the many bits of "missing information" (missing from the info that "they" think you need. lol) that I thought was important.

Becky, partner to Teague, SAHM to Keagan (7yo), Jonah (2yo)
 

DevaMajka is offline  
#9 of 14 Old 11-14-2005, 09:42 AM - Thread Starter
 
homeschoolmommyof1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Villa Kunterbunt in Cajun Country
Posts: 187
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Thank you sooo much everyone- you were very helpfull in my decision NOT to give him his booster shot

Thanks!!!!!!!!
homeschoolmommyof1 is offline  
#10 of 14 Old 11-14-2005, 10:27 AM
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 4,722
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
//
mattemma04 is offline  
#11 of 14 Old 11-14-2005, 11:54 AM
 
aira's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: missing the Grandmother Lodge
Posts: 3,125
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I have arthritis now thanks to a rediculous MMR booster for college.

Thaaaaanks, [insert name of my college here]. Thanks a million.





Another vote for don't do it.
aira is offline  
#12 of 14 Old 11-14-2005, 10:22 PM
 
Aquaduct's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Posts: 1,113
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Want to second what Deva said about how the 2nd dose of MMR is to mop up the few who got missed first time around. That is on the official website of the Ministry of Health in New Zealand.

ONe point: the MMR cannot be said to automatically confer immunity because of any boost in antibody levels. The antibody levels are not a failsafe indicator of immunity. You can have high antibodies and still come down with measles or mumps.

Immunity is an orchestrated responce involving many factors, not just antibodies.
Aquaduct is offline  
#13 of 14 Old 11-14-2005, 10:51 PM
 
insider's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Posts: 657
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I'd bet all the money I have that none of the components of MMR is even close to 95% effective. This is a live virus vaccine so low efficacy is a very bad reason to want to get a first dose, let alone a booster. Are the non-responders the result of primary or secondary vaccine failure? The primary non-responders were injected with a live virus but never gained immunity to that virus. Since the vaccine is designed to be (mostly) asymptomatic, primary non-responders are primed to carry subclinical persistent infections of the vaccine viruses. IMO, with respect to live virus vaccines, high efficacy means you don't need a second dose and low efficacy means you shouldn't get a first dose. Seriously though JMO.
insider is offline  
#14 of 14 Old 11-15-2005, 01:27 AM
 
Momtezuma Tuatara's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 8,091
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by insider
I'd bet all the money I have that none of the components of MMR is even close to 95% effective. This is a live virus vaccine so low efficacy is a very bad reason to want to get a first dose, let alone a booster. Are the non-responders the result of primary or secondary vaccine failure? The primary non-responders were injected with a live virus but never gained immunity to that virus. Since the vaccine is designed to be (mostly) asymptomatic, primary non-responders are primed to carry subclinical persistent infections of the vaccine viruses. IMO, with respect to live virus vaccines, high efficacy means you don't need a second dose and low efficacy means you shouldn't get a first dose. Seriously though JMO.
Yup... I remember some swiss GP's did a study of their supposedly 98% safe MMR, and found the infection rate, particularly in the Mumps component, was huge. I have it somewhere, but had to get it translated. Basically, that is behind the fact that many Swiss docs don't like the MMR and won't use it themselves.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/516345
Quote:
Nonpediatric physicians in Switzerland
often decline having their own children immunized against measles, mumps,
hepatitis B, and Haemophilus influenzae type b, according to a report in
the November issue of Pediatrics. In addition, they may postpone DTP or MMR
vaccination.

The report indicates that 10% of nonpediatricians would not follow official
immunization recommendations for their children, compared with 5% of
pediatricians. According to the study authors, these findings suggest that
many physicians are misinformed about the benefits and risks of vaccination
and are "unlikely to answer parental concerns adequately."
Pediatrics 2005;116:e623-e633.

Actually my opinion is that far from being misinformed, these doctors have probably used their eyes, and are far more informed about what is really happening out there, than either bean counters, or epidemiological desk pushers.

“I want to sell drugs to everyone. I want to sell drugs to healthy people. I want drugs to sell like chewing gum.” former Merck CEO, Henry Gadsden

Momtezuma Tuatara is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Drag and Drop File Upload
Drag files here to attach!
Upload Progress: 0
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the Mothering Forums forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
If you do not want to register, fill this field only and the name will be used as user name for your post.
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



User Tag List

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page


Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off