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Croup vs Pertussis

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Hi -

Another message board I was reading had a mom say her child has "...whooping cough (croup)...".

I have read that croup is a pretty bad cough, but the sound is like a "seal bark", and children with it can have trouble cathing their breath. In the way she made her statement, she is telling people whooping cough and croup are the same thing. I dont think that's right. Can someone help me understand?
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I don't believe they are the same thing, but I have heard that whooping cough is often misdiagnosed as croup, or bronchitis. Hence, it's always been around, but usually un or misdiagnosed.

The real reason behind the increase in infection is better reporting. Notices were sent out to drs to suspect any cough lasting >2 weeks as possible pertussis.
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hmm, interesting, my kids have both had croup, but it is usually just at night and a steamy bathroom or a walk outside usually calms the barky cough. dont i wish it meant they were immune to whooping cough? My understanding is that whooping cough lasts a lot longer and can be more severe.
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There are different strains of pertussis, and some may be more mild than others, coughing not lasting as long or as severe and no "whoop" sound.

http://iai.asm.org/cgi/content/full/69/9/5520
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Croup is a virus and pertussis is a bacteria. Croup clears up in a week or 2, but pertussis takes 6 weeks or more, usually.
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: B/c my son has had a cough for over 4 weeks now, it is worse at night, and the Dr. didn't seem concerned when I took him in last week. I keep wondering if it is croup, he is fully vaxed so pertussis was not mentioned as a possiblity.
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Of course not...if he's vaxed then pertussis wouldn't be a possibility, right?






Right.
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Of course not...if he's vaxed then pertussis wouldn't be a possibility, right?






Right.
Heidi- the thing that shocks me is my Dr. is really good about avoiding/ delaying vax, he seems really "natural " as far as MDs go. I hadn't considered pertussis either b/c of no "whooping" sound, I thought that was always present. I guess I have more reading to do .
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Last winter I'm pretty sure I had WC. Never went to the doc for it. It is so different from a bronchitis cough. There wasn't much muscus at all. The cough was very deep, itchy throat and dry for the most part. You'd cough and have a hard time catching your breath between coughing spells, and yes whoop sounds came out. The spells came and went through the day. Lasted 6weeks. I wasn't real sick-basically just had the 'cough'. My youngest daughter came down with it a week or so after me and hers lasted 2 weeks. She also just had the cough and wasn't real sick. She had 3 doses of DPT though in her first year.

Ironocally, my mom and grandmother also had the same thing same time I did. My Mom was saying" Gee I don't know what this is, but its lasting forever. *LOL* I didn't say anything, even though I was sure what it was, cause my Mom would freak!

Letters went home from our public school last year warning it was going around too. The older kids never got it.

julie
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Originally Posted by angela&avery
hmm, interesting, my kids have both had croup, but it is usually just at night and a steamy bathroom or a walk outside usually calms the barky cough. dont i wish it meant they were immune to whooping cough?
That is a natural home remedy also for whooping cough, a steamy bathroom or a walk outside in the cool air. For little children when they get a coughing spell, open the window and let them breath the cool air.

I don't believe you can have immunity to whooping cough. You can get it repeatedly. But in grown ups it is usually not severe.

Also I've read kids who've had whooping cough have less chance of getting asthma. It must strengthen the lungs.
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Also I've read kids who've had whooping cough have less chance of getting asthma. It must strengthen the lungs.
I was told opposite, that a child who has whooping cough is more likely to have asthma later in life. Do you have a reference I can read? I tried searching for the two at mercola.com, but couldn't find anything.
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I was told opposite, that a child who has whooping cough is more likely to have asthma later in life. Do you have a reference I can read? I tried searching for the two at mercola.com, but couldn't find anything.
Here's something interesting I found on the subject.
http://adc.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/90/6/553
It's kind of funny...the closing paragraphs say the exact opposite of the whole rest of the thing.
Whatever...lol...
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I don't believe you can have immunity to whooping cough. You can get it repeatedly. But in grown ups it is usually not severe.
Interesting, my son had the same thing last year that he is having right now, so I had thought that was another reason that it wouldn't be pertussis, he does have the major trouble catching his breath when he has a spell, and he does make a noise, I just don't think of it as a "whoop".

I need to look this up some more.
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I don't think I've ever heard the "whoop"; but my brother had chronic croup as an infant/young child, and there is no mistaking the "barking" cough. It's horrible - it sounds like a seal.
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I read up on both croup and pertussis, it seems that ds has pertussis (and little ds too, now, though less severe, probably b/c he's still nursing). The croup symptoms didn't fit, esp. since it has been so long ~5 weeks now.
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Originally Posted by Gitti
Also I've read kids who've had whooping cough have less chance of getting asthma. It must strengthen the lungs.
I have heard different, as well. Dd was infected with pertussis quite young (18 months) and her lungs have never been the same. I can't say it is from pertussis, but she does have viral-induced asthma.

I don't know if it can strengthen the lungs, but it definitely damages the cilia.
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I've been wondering about this b/c MIL often tell about DH having "the croup" for so long. She talks about how it just went on and on longer than anyone could believe. It really makes me think he had pertussis.

But he was vaxed, so ya know, it's impossible that it was whooping cough.
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I don't know if anyone will read this as it is an old post but you absolutely CAN get pertussis even if vaxed. A larg percentage of recent cases have been in vaccinated kids.
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