A Yahoo Answer on the Chicken Pox Vaccination - wow - Mothering Forums

Forum Jump: 
 
Thread Tools
#1 of 29 Old 06-28-2006, 05:32 PM - Thread Starter
 
Panthira's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: NorCal
Posts: 1,852
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Yahoo Answer
Panthira is offline  
#2 of 29 Old 06-28-2006, 05:38 PM
 
JesseMomme's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: not here anymore
Posts: 8,268
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
:
JesseMomme is offline  
#3 of 29 Old 06-28-2006, 05:40 PM
 
Stevie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: 3rd rock from the sun
Posts: 1,627
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
but you aren't surprised, are you?

it's why i come here. I've gotta tell you that I am really going to be frightened if either of my kids marries someone who vaxed up the wazoo because of the pressure they'll get from their ILs to poison their babies...
Stevie is offline  
#4 of 29 Old 06-28-2006, 05:41 PM
 
LongIsland's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: New York
Posts: 11,712
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
And to the person that told you the vaccine causes shingles, they are wrong. If you have had chicken pox, you are at risk of getting shingles later in life.

Oh Amanda . . . vaccinated persons can and do get shingles. It's a live virus dear.
http://www.cdc.gov/nip/diseases/vari...n-shingles.htm

VAERS reports of shingles after varicella vaccination. Take note how many kids are getting shingles: http://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/fin...PTOMS=shingles
LongIsland is offline  
#5 of 29 Old 06-28-2006, 06:01 PM
 
sunshinestarr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: in the clouds, on a mountain
Posts: 3,433
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
:
What an awful answer!!! OMG!!!
sunshinestarr is offline  
#6 of 29 Old 06-28-2006, 06:05 PM
 
aisraeltax's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: never never land & CPP
Posts: 5,346
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
i will tell you it takes forever to respond in less than 300 characters!! :
aisraeltax is offline  
#7 of 29 Old 06-28-2006, 06:09 PM
 
LongIsland's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: New York
Posts: 11,712
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I wonder if Amanda knows they're going to be recommending a second dose of varicella in a few day . . .

. . . that would be because the vaccine sucks.
LongIsland is offline  
#8 of 29 Old 06-28-2006, 07:13 PM
 
gentlebirthmothr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 2,373
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by JesseMomme
:
Jesse,

Another :, from me.
gentlebirthmothr is offline  
#9 of 29 Old 06-28-2006, 07:37 PM
 
aisraeltax's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: never never land & CPP
Posts: 5,346
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
now the question is closed so there can be no other opinions!!!
aisraeltax is offline  
#10 of 29 Old 06-28-2006, 07:57 PM
 
chersolly's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: On a DC-8 heading to Teegeeack
Posts: 7,368
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Wow, those replies made me dizzy and ill. Such uniformed people believing disinformation.
chersolly is offline  
#11 of 29 Old 06-28-2006, 08:07 PM
 
Dawson20's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 16
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
ugh...
I love how anyone can spout off their opinion and its just taken as fact.

At least give proven, accurate info...

I guess Im cruel for letting my son get the illness (knowing HIS antibodies will last a lifetime rather than the median 10 years the vaccine gives you)... lock me up and throw out the key.
Dawson20 is offline  
#12 of 29 Old 06-28-2006, 09:54 PM
 
Goddess3_2005's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: In a dizzying spin
Posts: 2,423
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stevie
but you aren't surprised, are you?

it's why i come here. I've gotta tell you that I am really going to be frightened if either of my kids marries someone who vaxed up the wazoo because of the pressure they'll get from their ILs to poison their babies...
Don't worry, myself and my 5 siblings were not vaxed and we all married vaxed people, and did we vax one of kids? NO FREAKING WAY! Just teach your children well and all will be fine.
Goddess3_2005 is offline  
#13 of 29 Old 06-28-2006, 10:19 PM
EVC
 
EVC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Bay Area, CA
Posts: 4,516
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
I've gotta tell you that I am really going to be frightened if either of my kids marries someone who vaxed up the wazoo because of the pressure they'll get from their ILs to poison their babies..
Not neccesarily. I myself am vax'ed "up the wazoo"--childhood vax'es, then vax'es for college, then again four years later for Peace Corps (including HepA and HepB), then again 3 years later for grad school--I have had A LOT of vax'es! And my dd is unvax'ed and will remain that way. We all live and learn And my mom is supportive of our not vax'ing. Dh is also vax'ed--his mom is, well, not so supportive. But it is OUR decision, not MIL's. So I don't think you have to worry--just teach your dc to think for themselves

PhDin' mama to dd (Oct. 2005)
EVC is offline  
#14 of 29 Old 06-29-2006, 01:48 AM
 
an_aurora's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Palmer, AK
Posts: 6,492
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
"yes why wouldnt you. did some scare you or something. vaccination is the best thing a mom can do for a child."


CPST & mom

an_aurora is offline  
#15 of 29 Old 06-29-2006, 01:54 AM
 
Persephone's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 3,670
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Yeah, don't you know chicken pox can KILL you? KILL, I say! :barf
Persephone is offline  
#16 of 29 Old 06-29-2006, 05:56 AM
 
guestmama9911's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 3,399
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I don't necessarily blame people for wanting to vax their kids, even after studying it out. It's just her answer was so malicious in addition to being inaccurate. The varicella vax only has a 70% "success" rate. Even before I decided not to vax DS, that just sounded useless to me.
guestmama9911 is offline  
#17 of 29 Old 06-29-2006, 06:08 AM
 
Jade2561's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: The Lowcountry
Posts: 1,277
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
OMG! That is just scary. I feel like an irresponsible parent because (don;t be shocked) I allowed dd to contract chicken pox naturally. Glad she survived.
Jade2561 is offline  
#18 of 29 Old 06-29-2006, 08:56 AM
Banned
 
^guest^'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: A little bit of nowhere
Posts: 539
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
:

"it can KILL you!"

One of the biggest killers of kids is drowning. I don't see anyone outlawing pools, rivers, lakes, oceans, and kitchen sinks, nor calling parents who take their kids near water "cruel"!

It doesn't give you shingles? Y halo thar Miss Information!
^guest^ is offline  
#19 of 29 Old 06-29-2006, 09:08 AM
 
JesseMomme's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: not here anymore
Posts: 8,268
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I just seemed to see the word KILL KILL KILL over and over again.

Chicken pox, people!!

They must have been totally terrified with the crying rubber ducky commercial. The commercial that failed to mention the children who died were already immunno-compromised in some way, like having leukemia?

I think someone should "re-ask" the question and then the rest of us can mob it with more accurate data.
JesseMomme is offline  
#20 of 29 Old 06-29-2006, 09:28 AM
 
LongIsland's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: New York
Posts: 11,712
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by JesseMomme
I just seemed to see the word KILL KILL KILL over and over again.
According to the CDC, a total of 47 people (not children, people) died of varicella complications in 1986 . . . ten years prior to the introduction of Varivax. In 2000, there were 48 deaths.

I wonder how many children drowned in 1986? Or were killed by drunk/drugged drivers, or killed by an abusive parent? According to the CDC, there were 3,482 unintentional drownings in the United States in 2000. The CDC also states that drowning is the second leading cause of injury-related death among children under the age of 15. About 700 children die annually.


Chicken pox is a killer alright.


.
LongIsland is offline  
#21 of 29 Old 06-29-2006, 11:25 AM
 
comfybuns's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 369
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Am I the only one who cringes when people post this?:

<<The needle takes a second and then they are over it. >>
comfybuns is offline  
#22 of 29 Old 06-29-2006, 11:52 AM
 
chiro_kristin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Noblesville, Indiana
Posts: 1,934
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Besides the absolutely nauseating nature of those answers...

what idiot asks random people on yahoo about her kid's health??!!!!!:

Prenatal/Pediatric Chiropractor (Diplomate) , raising the next generation drug-free!
DS - CJ :, the love of my life
chiro_kristin is offline  
#23 of 29 Old 06-29-2006, 01:10 PM
 
LongIsland's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: New York
Posts: 11,712
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by chiro_kristin
Besides the absolutely nauseating nature of those answers... what idiot asks random people on yahoo about her kid's health??!!!!!:





LongIsland is offline  
#24 of 29 Old 06-29-2006, 01:31 PM
 
aisraeltax's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: never never land & CPP
Posts: 5,346
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by chiro_kristin
Besides the absolutely nauseating nature of those answers...
what idiot asks random people on yahoo about her kid's health??!!!!!:
b/c coming to a place like this is just hard work. you have to first get over everything you've ever been taught about vax's, then theres all the science to go along with it. its just really, really hard! and who has time for that when you hvae a dr. appt. TOMORROW to get your baby injected with a bunch of stuff (esp. when the injections are so you can go back to work and not miss any more days b/c of a inconvenient disease such as CP...not ragging WOHM's..i was (and will soon be again) one...but that reason for a vax is just crazy to me).

oh, and w/ yahoo..the 300 word limit means no one can give a good response to your question. i tried. it took me 15 minutes and i finally gave up, butchered 1/2 of it, and it sounds crappy now!
aisraeltax is offline  
#25 of 29 Old 06-29-2006, 02:24 PM
 
JesseMomme's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: not here anymore
Posts: 8,268
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I wrote that I didnt know how to diagree with the answer in under 300 characters
JesseMomme is offline  
#26 of 29 Old 06-29-2006, 03:15 PM
 
Deborah's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: the Seacoast of Bohemia
Posts: 6,498
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 144 Post(s)
Here is an idea. When something like this comes up, several people can respond, each handling one piece.

one person talk about how the vax causes shingles in children, perhaps with a link to one or two medical journal articles

one person give a quick summary of how the vax is increasing shingles in the elderly, again with a link

another person to give the stats about the actual risk of death from chickenpox

and so on.

The person who spots the outrageous incident, comes here, posts a list of points that need to be responded to and anyone with time and interest chooses a topic and lets the rest of the crew know that it is taken.

A sort of rapid response team. I'd be happy to participate in something like that. I rarely have time to research and write long responses, but a focused item on one aspect of something could be done in less than 1/2 hour, and several such responses would probably shut the nonsense down, and make people start questioning the propaganda around vaxing.

Whaddya all think? Would this work? :
Deborah
Deborah is online now  
#27 of 29 Old 06-29-2006, 06:39 PM
 
guestmama9911's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 3,399
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
If I'm online and get the alert, I'm in. Someone can also pm me.
guestmama9911 is offline  
#28 of 29 Old 06-29-2006, 09:55 PM
 
JesseMomme's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: not here anymore
Posts: 8,268
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I like the idea Deborah Like a Hasmat for bad information cleanup.
Quote:
b/c coming to a place like this is just hard work.
I agree, it is. It's like the blinders are on with superglue - start to tug at them , they don't come off too easy.
JesseMomme is offline  
#29 of 29 Old 06-29-2006, 11:46 PM
 
Deborah's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: the Seacoast of Bohemia
Posts: 6,498
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 144 Post(s)
Thanks for the positive responses Alisaterry and JesseMomme. We can just try this out the next time something of this sort turns up and see how it works. More folks will join in if it turns out to be a practical approach.

Bite size info bits will probably go down easier, too. And hearing from several different people who are questioning vaxes is also impressive.

Deborah
Deborah is online now  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Drag and Drop File Upload
Drag files here to attach!
Upload Progress: 0
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the Mothering Forums forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
If you do not want to register, fill this field only and the name will be used as user name for your post.
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



User Tag List

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page


Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off