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#31 of 38 Old 09-08-2006, 03:43 AM - Thread Starter
 
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Hello ladies,

I'm new here. My name is Stephanie and I'm a Tree huggin Crunchy mama!

Anywho I have 2 kids ages 5 and 3 months. I went top my babies doc. appt. today. This was a new doctor and I was excited to meet her. Long story short once I said I dont vaccinate and explained my reasons she mocked me and then laughed! She said shes sick of ppl searching websites and getting false nfo. on vaccines. We argued about the aborted fetal tissue and this woman SWORE up and down that thats a lie and they are not in vaccines. I got stumpped and had nothing to back that up. It was really frustrating. Her word against mine! I did win when she said theres no formeldhyde in the dtap. I showed her the pamplet from the makers and it was listed in the ingredients. She was a rude Bit$%. aND said she feels sorry for my kids and parents make these bad bad decisions like me....

i Just had to vent and next time I need some good come backs!
i hope you will find a new dr. FPs are more favorable toward ppl like us!
and i would report her!
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Chakra, I had practically the same situation a couple of years ago, luckily for me another Dr. in the practice is pro-life and was a friend of mine, so she told her that it was true, explained the "human diploid cells" etc. I ended up leaving the practice anyway because I got tired of defending myself and my decisions, and I didn't want a Dr. who had no respect for me to be the one I would see in an emergency, ykwim? We now have a family Dr. who is really understanding of my stance and respects my choice (wether or not he agrees, we don't really discuss it).

I hope you can find a new Dr.

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Well, I hope neither one of you ever get parkinsons disease.
What does that have to do with vaccinating and aborted fetal tissues???
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Hello ladies,

I'm new here. My name is Stephanie and I'm a Tree huggin Crunchy mama!

Anywho I have 2 kids ages 5 and 3 months. I went top my babies doc. appt. today. This was a new doctor and I was excited to meet her. Long story short once I said I dont vaccinate and explained my reasons she mocked me and then laughed! She said shes sick of ppl searching websites and getting false nfo. on vaccines. We argued about the aborted fetal tissue and this woman SWORE up and down that thats a lie and they are not in vaccines. I got stumpped and had nothing to back that up. It was really frustrating. Her word against mine! I did win when she said theres no formeldhyde in the dtap. I showed her the pamplet from the makers and it was listed in the ingredients. She was a rude Bit$%. aND said she feels sorry for my kids and parents make these bad bad decisions like me....

i Just had to vent and next time I need some good come backs!
As I said in an eariler post:

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The fetal cell lines that are in use currently (for approved vaccines and that are used for vaccines that are in clinical trials) are as follows:
MRC-5 (used in Varivax, Vaqta, Havrix, Twinrix, ProQuad, Poliovax, Imovax, Zostavax, Acambis 1000)
RA273 (used in MMR II, MR VAX, Biavax II, Meruvax II, ProQuad)
WI-38 (used in Varivax, MMR II, MR VAX, Biavax II, Meruvax II, ProQuad, Zostavax)
PER C6 (used in an Ebola vaccine that is in development, used in a flu vaccine that is in development, used in an avian flu vaccine that is in development, used in a HIV vaccine that is in development)
HEK 293 (used in Xigris, used in a flu vaccine that is in development, used in an avian flu vaccine that is in development)
WI-26 (used in Enbrel)
VA4 (used in Enbrel)
I'll post the vaccine package inserts...and their wording...(just so you know, typically, the aborted fetal tissue labeling is on the first two pages...sometimes in the first couple paragraphs...

http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_...varivax_pi.pdf (Varivax vaccine package insert: by Merck)
first page, first paragraph
Quote:
VARIVAX* [Varicella Virus Vaccine Live (Oka/Merck)] is a preparation of the Oka/Merck strain of live, attenuated varicella virus. The virus was initially obtained from a child with natural varicella, then introduced into human embryonic lung cell cultures, adapted to and propagated in embryonic guinea pig cell cultures and finally propagated in human diploid cell cultures (WI-38). Further passage of the virus for varicella vaccine was performed at Merck Research Laboratories (MRL) in human diploid cell cultures
(MRC-5) that were free of adventitious agents. This live, attenuated varicella vaccine is a lyophilized preparation containing sucrose, phosphate, glutamate, and processed gelatin as stabilizers.
http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_...a/vaqta_pi.pdf (VAQTA package insert: by Merck)
first paragraph, first sentence
Quote:
VAQTA* [Hepatitis A Vaccine, Inactivated] is an inactivated whole virus vaccine derived from hepatitis A virus (HAV) grown in cell culture in human MRC-5 diploid fibroblasts.
http://us.gsk.com/products/assets/us_havrix.pdf (HAVRIX package insert: by GSK)
first paragraph, first sentence
Quote:
HAVRIX (Hepatitis A Vaccine, Inactivated) is a noninfectious hepatitis A vaccine developed and manufactured by GlaxoSmithKline Biologicals. The virus (strain HM175) is propagated in MRC-5 human diploid cells. After removal of the cell culture medium, the cells are lysed to form a suspension. This suspension is purified through ultrafiltration and gel permeation chromatography procedures.
ETC.

I dont' have time to go through each insert right now...but here are the links to the package inserts that I have :


Polio:
http://us.gsk.com/products/assets/us_pediarix.pdf (PEDIARIZ vaccine package insert: by GSK)
http://www.vaccineshoppe.com/US_PDF/..._4305_4308.pdf (IPOL vaccine package insert: by Aventis Pasteur)

Measles, Mumps, Rubella:
http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_...tenuvax_pi.pdf (ATTENUVAX, Measles only: by Merck)
http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_...umpsvax_pi.pdf (MUMPSVAX, Mumps only: by Merck)
http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_...uvax_ii_pi.pdf (MERUVAX, Rubella only: by Merck)
http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_.../mmr_ii_pi.pdf (MMRII vaccine package insert: by Merck)
http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_...proquad_pi.pdf (PROQUAD vaccine package insert: by Merck--MMRV)

Hepatitis A:
http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_...a/vaqta_pi.pdf (VAQTA package insert: by Merck)
http://us.gsk.com/products/assets/us_havrix.pdf (HAVRIX package insert: by GSK)
http://us.gsk.com/products/assets/us_twinrix.pdf (TWINRIX vaccine package insert: by GSK)
http://us.gsk.com/products/assets/us_twinrix.pdf (TWINRIX vaccine package insert: by GSK)--Hep. B included

Chickenpox:
http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_...varivax_pi.pdf (Varivax vaccine package insert: by Merck)
http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_...proquad_pi.pdf (PROQUAD vaccine package insert: by Merck--MMRV)
http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_...ostavax_pi.pdf (ZOSTAVAX vaccine package insert: by Merck)

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What does that have to do with vaccinating and aborted fetal tissues???
Nothing. I interpretted it as a flicking the bird at us regressive neanderthals.

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Did that help? Has the OP question been answered??? Just checking in to make sure OP doesn't want more info...
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I agree MT.....the parkinsons reference is a (IMO) stupid arguement, because even if I did get parkisons, i wouldnt treat it with anything made from stem cells, But i'm not going to get into an abortion debate on the vax forum, this isnt the place for that type of discussion.

As for vaxes using aborted fetal cells, I dont care if it was 30yrs ago or 30 days ago, I don't want it injected into my child, along with bovine cells, chicken embryos and monkey cells.

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