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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15210587/

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But...

http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content...ct/296/14/1757

If you do nothing about this, one day the rug will be pulled out from underneath you.

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Dr. Samuel Katz, a Duke University vaccine specialist who has consulted for vaccine makers, said he is not convinced loose state exemption policies are linked with whooping cough prevalence. He said not all states with liberal policies have high disease rates.

But Dr. William Schaffner, an infectious-disease specialist at Vanderbilt University who has worked with vaccine manufacturers, said the connection is plausible.
I like how they disclose the scientists' ties to vaccine makers, and I think it is interesting that some are "for" and some are "against" the hypothesis that looser exemption requirements lead to more whooping cough cases. Clearly, not every doctor or scientist who has worked with vaccine makers thinks the same way about these issues.
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But...

http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content...ct/296/14/1757

If you do nothing about this, one day the rug will be pulled out from underneath you.
MT, can you explain your post? (Who is the "you" you're addressing?) From the study you cited:
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Conclusions: Permitting personal belief exemptions and easily granting exemptions are associated with higher and increasing nonmedical US exemption rates. State policies granting personal belief exemptions and states that easily grant exemptions are associated with increased pertussis incidence. States should examine their exemption policies to ensure control of pertussis and other vaccine-preventable diseases.
This would seem to support the msnbc article.

ETA: Completely OT, but do you think the Nature's Factor chewable vit C is worth getting (it's a mix of sodium ascorbate and ascorbic acid--I couldn't find out the ratio)? It's the only kind of SA available at my HFS.
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Maybe my words got ahead of everyone else.

Yes, that's the point. If the medical profession gets it into their heads that because they believe that exemptions are the cause of disease, then they pull all other exemptions except medical exemption following a serious vaccine reaction, then people who don't vaccinate will be up the creek without a paddle.

So what I meant was that the line of thinking in the article you put up, and the JAMA article needs to be countered fast, en masse in huge numbers.

And that needs to be done by getting these people to show where the serious morbidity and mortality is as a result of exemptions. They can't. So they need to be sat on, hard and firmly...

And its got to be a mass movement, done carefully. None of this emotional stuff about poisoning our kids etc. That just makes everyone look fruitloops. It needs to be done by carefully making them accountable, and to make them show serious damage as a result...

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You was generically "everyone who doesn't vaccinate".

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I don't think the religious exemption in the US is in serious jeopardy, because of the free exercise clause in the first amendment. The philosophical exemptions are another story, of course.

When you say that the story needs to be countered "en masse, in huge numbers", what are envisioning that we do?

Also, isn't pertussis a cyclical disease? I'm curious about how that plays into the "rise".
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Open a file for e-mailed letters.

Write letters to medical journals that start supporting this sort of thing, with good information rebutting it, and send copies of them to your congress person, and state legislature.

Make them medical letters with good refs, and only quote rational reasoning.

Keep copies, so that if it spirals, then everyone sends all their copies to media wherever that is thought to be helpful.

Exemptions don't play into the rise. It's rubbish, and they know it, but it sounds a good excuse, which IMO is designed to get the provaccine community on a righteous indignations binge against those who chose not to vaccinate.

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Maybe i didn't understand it or I'm missing something(Iam alittle sleep deprived ) don't they need to prove that in the "states with loose easily obtained exemptions" .......it is those people who are exempt that are getting whooping cough....not others who are imunised...otherwise they would be saying that their vaccines don't really work????

actually I find it a little scary......no more personal/religious exemptions????
what next??
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Gee whiz, it couldn't possibly be the @ 70% efficacy rate or the fact that the pertussis bacterium has mutated. No,no that can't be it. ( Sarcasm off):
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http://www.healthsentinel.com/graphs...rint_list_item

How is it that vaccines saved us all from whooping cough, but the vaccine was administered after the decline?
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otherwise they would be saying that their vaccines don't really work????
They actually DO say that in the article! At one point they say that the rise is due to the fact that "immunity" from the vaccine wears off.
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Researchers from Johns Hopkins University’s Bloomberg School of Public Health contributed to the study, including two who reported financial ties to vaccine makers. Salmon said he has no financial connection to vaccine makers.
Salmon said he has no financial connection to vaccine makers - I bet he forgot to say "directly". Who else financed such a study other than the manufacturer and seller of the vaccine?
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The first whooping cough vaccine was licensed for U.S. use in 1948 and led to dramatic declines in disease. But reported cases have increased more recently, from 1,020 nationwide in 1976 to 25,827 in 2004.
That tells me 2004 was a year that wc was stronger. There are a lot of years between 1976 and 2004. How do the other year look? Does it go up and down?

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Booster shots are recommended for teens and adults.
I think this is the purpose of this piece of propaganda. They do want to sell wc vaccines to teens and adults of all ages.

So they looked for two states out of 50 that fit the bill for their propaganda but
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Dr. Samuel Katz, a Duke University vaccine specialist who has consulted for vaccine makers, said he is not convinced loose state exemption policies are linked with whooping cough prevalence. He said not all states with liberal policies have high disease rates.
I bet there are states with high vaccine rates that have equally as many outbreaks.

The only way to determine this exactly is to see vaccine rate of each state and number of wc cases of each state. But the wc cases must be lab confirmed. They may be asthma...or who knows what they would come up with?




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Schaffner said non-medical exemptions should be allowed, but only if parents get educational information about vaccines.
Like take a 36 hour course in pro-vax brainwashing?

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They should also be required to renew their exemption status each year, as some states now mandate, Schaffner said.
He is talking about non-medical exemptions? Which states are those? What purpose does this sentence have? Scare parents who are thinking of using a non-med exemption. That is the only purpose I see.
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My In-Laws local paper picked up this story, but they conveniently left out any part that mentioned the docs that didn't agree with the findings . Nothing like good 'Ole unbiased reporting.
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He is talking about non-medical exemptions? Which states are those? What purpose does this sentence have? Scare parents who are thinking of using a non-med exemption. That is the only purpose I see.
Arkansas is one of those states that has an "education requirement" and the exemption must be renewed annually. They sent me a packet with the application and those papers from the CDC that they give with every vaccine. I forget what they are called ... VIS, maybe?

It's a joke, really. Just wasted taxpayer money to send me papers I don't need. When I first explored the law, I thought I'd have to take a class at the health department or something.
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Arkansas is one of those states that has an "education requirement" and the exemption must be renewed annually. They sent me a packet with the application and those papers from the CDC that they give with every vaccine. I forget what they are called ... VIS, maybe?

It's a joke, really. Just wasted taxpayer money to send me papers I don't need. When I first explored the law, I thought I'd have to take a class at the health department or something.
Clinton country! Yea I believe it. Shocking though really. I never would have thought....:
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I read the article this morning and it really kind of scared me.
I am one of the most ignorant non-vaxers , but couldn't the vastly different climates of Vermont and Mississippi have something to do with the variations in their wc rates? I know Vermont always has quite a bit of suspected adult wc cases, which go undiagnosed, and we got ds the DTap when we lived there because he was a preemie and we were a little freaked out about his little lungs.
I'm starting to get worried about exemptions. I hope VT doesn't lose it's philosphical exmp....
To the critical eye it isn't much of a study and I also liked that they cited researchers and docs ties to vax comps. At least that was something.
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, but couldn't the vastly different climates of Vermont and Mississippi have something to do with the variations in their wc rates?
I thought the same exact thing!!!!!!
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It's not the climate.
It's the attitudes and suppositions of the doctors doing the diagnosing that differs in the two states.
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