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I was hoping to know what vaccinations he would be "asked" to get.
Also, he has had most vaccinations up until now but delayed.
But, I have not done the chicken poxs and wont be.
Any input or information on anything would be awesome.
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I would think the doc would recommend: dtp, ipv, mmr. I am going by what would be "needed" per the school system in my state to start kindergarten. For example the kindergartner needs 5 dpt's(unless the 4th was given after the 4th b-day)4 IPV's(unless the 3rd was given after 4th b-day) 3 hep. b, one chicken pox and 2 mmr. So many more then when I was a kid!! : Hope that helps!

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Hepatitis A too.
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Anything the doctor recommends I would suggest that you write it down and come back here and we can all research it together.

If I were you I would simply ask for the vaccine names, manufacturer, and tell him this way you can find out for yourself whether you want it or not.

You are the consumer, certainly you can buy or not buy the product.

Should he say something about school, blah, blah... cut him short and tell him, that is why you need the name so you can get informed. That is all.

Make it short and to the point.
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Here's the CDC vax scheduler so you can figure out in advance what your doc will probably be suggesting...
http://www2a.cdc.gov/nip/kidstuff/newscheduler_le/
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What vaccines would you delay or not get out of the ones that may be needed per the scheduler:

dtp, ipv, mmr.

He is not going to school, we homeschool.
He wont be getting the chickenpox vaccine for sure.

Thank you!
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What vaccines would you delay or not get out of the ones that may be needed per the scheduler:

dtp, ipv, mmr.
Well I wouldn't get any of them.

What are you reasons for wanting to delay/avoid vaccines? Knowing that may help us to give you an answer better suited to you.

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What are you reasons for wanting to delay/avoid vaccines? Knowing that may help us to give you an answer better suited to you.



This is about which diseases are a concern to you and why.

Which diseases concern you the most and why do they concern you? Then we can work from that point.

FTR, the vaccines given at this age are boosters. How many doses have you had for each vax so far?
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I don't know whether you were talking to me or not, but I would delay every vaccine indefinitely. We do not vaccinate at all and my grandchildren go to a regular public school.

I only had two vaccines in all my life. (I am 60). My mother had no vaccines (85) and lived through wars - in Europe. My grandparents were never vaccinated on either side....

Why should this generation suddenly need vaccines to survive? Because there is money to be made.

The diseases are not anything to worry about. Look what a fiasco they are making out of a simple flu virus. I had most of the childhood diseases and that was when we had very little food in the country. It was nothing. It was considered a right of passage in my generation. We were proud of having them. We boasted about it... and we all survived.

Kids in Africa die of those diseases because they are starving already....

If you are interested, start to research the archives about the vaccines you have mentioned.
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dtp, ipv, mmr.
I had to come back one more time before I head out for a walk.

So, just real quickly:

The dtp is the most reactive vaccine. It is the one most likely to cause a reaction.

Ipv - can shed that polio virus in the stool for a few days/weeks after being injected into the child.

mmr - is the one that pushes many kids over the edge and is very likely to cause measles colonization in the guts - leaky guts, crohn's disease, autism...

more later... grandson and two other kids want me to take them to the park... got to go... they've got the light sabers ready....
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What vaccines would you delay or not get out of the ones that may be needed per the scheduler:

dtp, ipv, mmr.

He is not going to school, we homeschool.
He wont be getting the chickenpox vaccine for sure.

Thank you!
My ds 2.5yrs is vaxed to 12mo (delayed). DD 5mo is completely vax free .

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For an even handed treatment of the issue I recommend "Vaccinations, A Thoughfull Parents Guide" by Aviva Romm, and "Naturally Healthy Babies and Children: A Commonsense Guide to Herbal Remedies, Nutrition, and Health" by Aviva Romm for keeping your dc healthy and treating "VPDs". Another resource is the Vaccinations board at the motheringforum (google it).

Manufacter's Inserts:
http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/package_inserts.htm

VAERS
You can search the VAERS database for reactions to recommended vaccinations.
http://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/index.html

CDC Pink Book:
http://www.cdc.gov/nip/publications/..._pink_full.htm

CDC Ingredients list:
http://www.cdc.gov/nip/publications/...nt-table-2.pdf

Another Ingredients list:
http://www.informedchoice.info/cocktail.html

Vaccines are Not Mercury-Free:
http://www.acnem.org/journal/23-2_se...nd_mercury.htm

To find out what exemptions are offered by your state (for school and such) check here:
http://www.909shot.com/state-site/state-exemptions.htm
All states except West Virginia and Mississippi offer religious and/or philosophical exemptions, and the supreme court ruled that you do not have to belong to a non-vaxing religion or have clergy sign your religious exemption.

Some basic questions to ask yourself...

What is the disease?
If my child gets it, what are possible complications?
How likely and how severe are those complications?
What should I do to prevent those complications or to properly support my child through the disease?
What is in the vaccine?
How likely and how severe are the various complications?
Can I treat those complications? If so, how?

Start making a list or packet of articles for each disease and vaccine. This then turns into a super in dept pro/con list. And it takes a lot of fear out of the equation. Use all sorts of sites and books to get your info. Identify the bias and then take that into account. You'll be surprised at how much info you can find from the CDC that (as long as you look at the info and not the conclusions) lean toward not vaxing!

We do not vaccinate and I would go through any amount of hassle, and if I did not have a philo exemption I would lie out my arse, to protect my child from what I have found to be harmful.

Also, you do not have to go to a ped, your child can see a FP or even a chiropractor.
http://www.chiropracticresearch.org/...oeduaction.htm

"It should be a rule in all prophylactic work that no harm should ever be unnecessarily inflicted on a healthy person (Sir Graham Wilson, The Hazards of Immunization, 1967)."
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Ipv - can shed that polio virus in the stool for a few days/weeks after being injected into the child.
Just an FYI, IPV is a "dead" virus and doesn't shed. OPV is the one that sheds.
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Just got off the phone with the nurse there and they want to give him:

HEP A (he has never had this shot)
And the following which he has had:

MMR
DTAP
Polio

They want to give the CP vaccine but I have already decided not to.
I dont know why I want to delay, I just feel like I should.
What do I do if I want to delay all of the above?
Should he have them since he already has had them?
What is the HEP A all about? she said its new and they "advise" him to get it?
We live in Oregon if that matters.

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I would cancel the appointment. A healthy child does not need to go to the doctor and be injected with disease.

Do you know what all is in vaccines? And how they are made?
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Hep A is the new 'recommended for all breathing humans' by the CDC. what is it? A mild virus - so mild in fact that 70% of the children who contract it don't even know they have it. It leaves no chronic problems (like Hep B and Hep C have the potential to) and once someone gets Hep A - they acquire life long immunity. If your child does get it and has symptoms - they are usually no worse than a mild cold - though in adults it can be more severe and cause mild flu like symptoms. why are they recommending it? because they have it. period. not a public health threat by any stretch of the imagination, but its pending the 'mandatory' vax for public school attendance (in my state anyway). how they can override my constitutional right to informed consent for a disease that poses absolutely no public health threat simply baffles me. :
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I would like to get him seen as he has been stuttering for about 5 months now and I want to make sure he does not need any speech therepy for it.
But, I need to do some research and see what these vaccines are all about and I think I will delay if I do end up getting him any.

Any more input or info would be great!
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I'm really surprised that the CDC hasn't done their normal fear-mongering thingie with Hep A yet.

Here's their Hep A fact sheet.
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/h...Fs/hepa_01.pdf

Apparently "Anyone can catch Hep A" is the scariest thing they could think of to say about it.
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I don't know much about stuttering but I have read that it could be a delayed vaccine reaction.

The book A Shot In The Dark by Dr. H. Coulter mentions it.

Someone correct me if I am wrong, please.
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Does anyone know if when I go to his 4 year check if I want to delay them if I can wait for those vaxs until he is 5? Or, if I do decide on vaxing him for any of the ones he already had if they will be effective?

There is just too much info that I want to look to decide by then.

Also, is there any such website that staes illness/death from the vaxs VS illness/death from the disease being vaxed for?

Example:

Polio- how many death per year from vax and how many from the illness.
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Does anyone know if when I go to his 4 year check if I want to delay them if I can wait for those vaxs until he is 5? Or, if I do decide on vaxing him for any of the ones he already had if they will be effective?
You don't HAVE to do anything. Not getting further vaccinations does not make previous vaccines received ineffective. I guess I'm wondering, if you are homeschooling, why you feel it so necessary to do any of these, unless you are afraid of your child getting one of these illnesses.

And in regards to what is "required", it's usually only a measles booster that is required, not mumps and rubella. Your child is considered "up to date" on the other two. Of course, they only want to give you the combo. If you are concerned about measles, you can always ask for a titre test.

In regards to death by disease vs. death by vaccination, you'll never see such data. First of all, it's estimated that only 10% of adverse reactions to vaccines are even reported. Secondly, it's nearly impossible to get VAERS or a doctor to acknowledge that a vaccine is responsible for a child's death. Thirdly, these vaccines can cause many problems that are just about as concerning as death.

As far as polio goes, there hasn't even been a natural case of polio in the U.S. since the 70's and it's been erradicated in the Northern Hemisphere since the 80's, as I recall. Rubella is just about considered erradicated in the U.S. Imo, you really need to read about these illnesses so that you are not in such fear of them. Then you really need to read about these vaccines and realize why you should fear them.

We are given the impression we are done with vaxes, for the most part, once they pass infancy. The truth is, there is being more and more added to the list everyday.
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I'm really surprised that the CDC hasn't done their normal fear-mongering thingie with Hep A yet.
They really don't have to do too much though - most parents will offer up their kid's arm for anything the ped recommends. I'll bet if you ask any parent about Hep A, they dont' know anything about it other than is sounds real dangerous.

Also, Hepatitis is becoming required for school entry across the country, so compliance will not be an issue. Many states already have a requirement. Even NY has a bill pending.

So the recommendation of the beloved AAP and CDC coupled with daycare/school requirements is going to equal Hep A vaccine compliance. It may take a while, but it will happen.

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Apparently "Anyone can catch Hep A" is the scariest thing they could think of to say about it.

I think they're hoping the ole word association tactic is going to work with unsuspecting parents:

Oh my, Hepatitis B . . . isn't that bad?

Eeek, Hepatitis C . . . isn't that really bad?

Hepatitis A? I've never heard of it, but that must be really, really bad if junior needs it to get into school.
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I just took my son for his three year old check up and didn't do his vaccines. The doc mentioned his next visit that has vaccines due is his 4-6 year old checkup.

So technically, you can wait till 6 years old and still be on schedule. I would just tell them you are planning to come back for vaccines, that this isn't a good day. Then you can always change your mind if you want to. If you tell them now that you refuse, you get into a discussion that you are not yet prepared for.
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If a special, highly sensitive piece of equipment in your vehicle was broken, you'd go to a specialist that knows the most about that piece, right? You wouldn't go to the repair shop down the street that covers routine, general repairs. A computer part is way different than an oil change!

A child is no different. Personally, if I were only worried about the stuttering, I'd find a speech therapist instead of a pediatrician or family practice physician. If this problem has been ongoing for months, YOU know there is a problem. Skip the middle man (your doctor) and go straight to the specialist. Don't let the problem go any longer than needed. Your doctor may say, "Let's give it some time, he'll probably grow out of it." BUT, it might be more serious and the earlier you address it, the earlier it can be treated!

Skip the vaccines until you really have time to research them more in depth.

You're homeschooling, so he won't be exposed to things as much as ps children. Check your state requirements, what exemptions are available to you? Often, you cannot just pick and choose which vaccines you want and which you don't. Most states have and all or none policy for the mandated vaccinations.

Stop NOW, until you are 100% comfortable with vaccinating! You can always vaccinate in the future, if you choose. But, once that stuff is in the body, it can't come out again.

You do NOT have to vaccinate. The doctor does what YOU request, not what he/she wants to do! YOU are the consumer, your doctor is under your hire.

When you shop, a clerk makes suggetsions, right? Do you always take them? Do you buy it because he/she says everyone else is buying it and it's a good product? Or, do you decide if it is really right for you and your family? If it is an important product (say, a car), don't you do some research and find out if it is a car with the best safety features? Or, do you just buy one because it looks cute?

Vaccines are no different. Research before you buy. Research before you inject. Research BEFORE anything. Because, once they are in your (or, your child's) body, they can't be returned. Those little germs to boost your immune system are swimming in a soup of chemicals and carcinogens and cell lines from other species. If it was only the germs (you know, like natural exposure), it would be a different game. But, it isn't.

Find a speech therapist through the health department, Yellow Pages, your local school district or friends or family. Check out the Finding Your Tribe or Special Needs Parenting forums here at MDC.
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