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I did what I thought to be a thorough search on Google, and I could not find anything agains the shingles vaccine! I found plenty of pages complaining that the chickenpox vaccine has made the shingles vaccine necessary, but nothing on why my father should not get it.

It claims to be 50% effective at prevention, and for the rest it says it will lessen the severity. So not super effective, but apprently somewhat.

Shingles is so painful, can cause permanent damage, and is becoming quite common.

I know one way to help prevent shingles is to be regularly exposed to chickenpox, but scouting for chickenpox parties is not something he would do.
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Subbing... I'm sorta curious too. I can think of the usual bad stuff - all the general nasty stuff in the vax, and the possibility of side effects, etc. But it's true that without exposure to live CP, shingles becomes more and more of a possibility, and exposure to live CP is becoming so rare in the general population. Two of my sisters have had shingles (one as a child and one while pregnant) and it was incredibly painful for them.

Is the "shingles" vax just another name for a CP booster? What are the age/frequency recs for it?

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The shingles vax is made with aborted fetal cell lines.

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I don't know except the usual, nasty ingredients.

But 50% effective means 50% ineffective. So whether you get it or not doesn't matter.

And as far as severity - they always say that when getting the vaccine doesn't work any better than not getting the vaccine. That's your consolation prize for buying it and then getting shingles anyway. Good trick! Vaccine history on diseases I've read up on gives a different account.

Let's see what others say about it. I actually never researched it since there is no way we would get any vaccine.
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The shingles vax is made with aborted fetal cell lines.
yup.
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I had shingles when I was 5. Yes it was painful but I would take that over the vax. Especially since I realized I have an allergy to metal I can't be injecting myself with aluminum.
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Is the "shingles" vax just another name for a CP booster? What are the age/frequency recs for it?
It is recommended for people over 60. It is the chickenpox vax 14 times stronger. Not sure if it is a one time thing or if boosters are needed.
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If I ever get Shingles I will be ODing on vitamin C.

Klenner had good success with C shingles and chickenpox.
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I did what I thought to be a thorough search on Google, and I could not find anything agains the shingles vaccine! I found plenty of pages complaining that the chickenpox vaccine has made the shingles vaccine necessary, but nothing on why my father should not get it.
1) It's too new a vaccine for there to be any sniff of a problem.

2) Even 10 years down the line, there is unlikely to be any sniff of a problem, because after vaccines, any bad effects are always coincidental and are never caused by vaccines.

Never mind that if you were given an antibiotic and had anaphylactic symptoms you'd be made to wear a medic alert, and avoid that antibiotic for the rest of your life.

Such logic never applies to any living biologic, which is what a vaccine is called.

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It claims to be 50% effective at prevention, and for the rest it says
Which is commonly called "hedging your bets". It means that when someone gets shingles after the vaccine the doc says
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Oh no, it wasn't from the vaccine, and probably wasn't because the shot didn't work. It's all those irresponsible mothers who don't vaccinate their kids with the chickenpox vaccine, so chickenpox still floats around. If they had done that, then this vaccine would have worked for you
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Shingles is so painful, can cause permanent damage, and is becoming quite common.
Really? I know lots of people who have had shingles, it wasn't that painful, and none of them have permanent damage.

So why is it that shingles is NOW becoming "more dangerous"? Might it be that the recipients of permanent damage live on white bread, white sugar, taffy and coca-cola? After all, shingles has been around for decades, and never have there been huge studies showing that older people had problems with shingles. Perhaps now, the problem is with older people? How have their lives changed in the last 50 years?

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I know one way to help prevent shingles is to be regularly exposed to chickenpox, but scouting for chickenpox parties is not something he would do.
But in an older person who "might" live as described above, a chickenpox party might actually provoke shingles... you never know. After all, lots of kids given the CP vaccine, come down with shingles not long after.

Might there not be a connection?



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How old is your father?
Here's the package insert:
http://www.fda.gov/cber/label/zosmer052506LB.pdf
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How old is your father?
Here's the package insert:
http://www.fda.gov/cber/label/zosmer052506LB.pdf
When they say bovine serum what is the serum? I would think some kind of bodily fluid mixed with something?
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http://www.stifud.se/docs/fetal_bovine_serum_final.pdf

It's cow fetus blood.
If you get bored, go to pubmed or google scholar and look up "bovine viral diarrhea virus" and "MMR" and "FBS" in different combinations. There have been quite a few cases of weirdo cow viruses making it into vaccines via this stuff.
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http://www.stifud.se/docs/fetal_bovine_serum_final.pdf

It's cow fetus blood.
If you get bored, go to pubmed or google scholar and look up "bovine viral diarrhea virus" and "MMR" and "FBS" in different combinations. There have been quite a few cases of weirdo cow viruses making it into vaccines via this stuff.
Yikes! One thing I can add to my list of reasons against vaccination.
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Summary - Fetal bovine serum (FBS) is a common component of animal cell culture media. FBS is harvested from bovine fetuses taken from pregnant cows during slaughter. FBS is commonly harvested by means of a cardiac puncture without any form of anaesthesia. Fetuses are likely exposed to pain and/or discomfort and therefore current practice of fetal blood harvest is inhumane.
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