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I see a recent thread on Hep E, no doubt there will be the alphabet vax for Hepatitis, that will cover all hepatitis from A-Z.

I wanted to bring up the sickening unethical treatment of children that happened while Hep B was being studied, and children used to develop a vaccine, children as young as 3 years old. I first read about it in Marge Grant's book, A Stolen Life,

( http://www.dptshot.com )

They have the nerve to refer to these children as "volunteers",

… at the Willowbrook Institute in the 1960s and 1970s . Krugman described two types of viral hepatitis, which were referred to as MS-1 and MS-2. MS-1 resembled what MacCallum had classified as hepatitis A. Studies of human volunteers confirmed that this agent was transmitted by the fecal-oral route and had an incubation period of 30 to 38 days. MS-2 resembled hepatitis B in that it had a longer incubation period (41 to 108 days) and was transmitted by percutaneous exposure. These studies also confirmed the existence of homologous immunity after hepatitis A or hepatitis B infection.

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/art...gi?artid=88921
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During the 1950s and 1960s Dr. Saul Krugman of New York University conducted studies of hepatitis at the Willowbrook State School, an institution for the severely mentally retarded. Krugman and his staff systematically infected newly arrived children between the ages of three and eleven with strains of the virus obtained from the feces of Willowbrook hepatitis patients.

http://my.dmci.net/~casey/
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Willowbrook Studies

http://tinyurl.com/24mtzt

The subjects, all children, were deliberately infected with the hepatitis virus; early subjects were fed extracts of stools from infected individuals and later subjects received injections of more purified virus preparations.


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Is this what they call volunteers?
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Willowbrook MS-2

http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/abstract/90/7/3014
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Other experiments:

http://www.grad.msu.edu/all/ri7.pdf
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I'm gonna be sick.

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No one would volunteer to eat someone else's infected poop.

Good thing he chose people who didn't have a voice and couldn't stand up for themselves or fight back.

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It really makes me wonder what has happened to my institutionalized aunt in the past... We would never know, huh?
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During the 1950s and 1960s Dr. Saul Krugman of New York University conducted studies of hepatitis at the Willowbrook State School, an institution for the severely mentally retarded. Krugman and his staff systematically infected newly arrived children between the ages of three and eleven with strains of the virus obtained from the feces of Willowbrook hepatitis patients.
How could these people do this to children?
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it kills me that apologists for this vax will say "that's only of historical interest," just because we can't prove that equally unethical or negligent things aren't currently happening. does anyone believe that they didn't know it was wrong then?
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How could these people do this to children?

Any atrocity can be committed in the name of "saving millions of lives".
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it kills me that apologists for this vax will say "that's only of historical interest," just because we can't prove that equally unethical or negligent things aren't currently happening. does anyone believe that they didn't know it was wrong then?

Or that appalling things never happen now.
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Any atrocity can be committed in the name of "saving millions of lives".
precisely - is perfectly illustrates the evil point of view that the ends justifies the means.
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There are some very evil people out there.

I read once, no matter of how horrible a thought you can contrive, there is worse in real life. So sad.
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And to think that this happened right here in America... I was doing some research on Josef Mengele and thought "Who could actually experiment on helpless, innocent CHILDREN?"

Hmm. Gee, found my answer.
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That is interesting.
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During the 1950s and 1960s Dr. Saul Krugman of New York University conducted studies of hepatitis at the Willowbrook State School, an institution for the severely mentally retarded. Krugman and his staff systematically infected newly arrived children between the ages of three and eleven with strains of the virus obtained from the feces of Willowbrook hepatitis patients.

http://my.dmci.net/~casey/
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Willowbrook Studies

http://tinyurl.com/24mtzt

The subjects, all children, were deliberately infected with the hepatitis virus; early subjects were fed extracts of stools from infected individuals and later subjects received injections of more purified virus preparations.


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Is this what they call volunteers?
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Willowbrook MS-2

http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/abstract/90/7/3014
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Other experiments:

http://www.grad.msu.edu/all/ri7.pdf
Evil incarnate is what I call these people. How can anyone DO that to a human being, especially ones so helpless? My soul weeps for all of the innocents. :

FUNNY HOW THE CDC doesn't mention how these vaccines came to be, huh.

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I read somewhere (a while ago) that the rationale behind deliberately infecting the children was that they were bound to get it anyway. Too preoccupied to introduce some basic sanitary measures, I guess.

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it kills me that apologists for this vax will say "that's only of historical interest," just because we can't prove that equally unethical or negligent things aren't currently happening. does anyone believe that they didn't know it was wrong then?
Attitudes change fast. For example this is from 1914 from a book called "The New Student's Reference Work":

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:LA2-NSRW-1-0036.jpg


I doubt that in its day it would have been seen as particularly racist. Medical ethics is much the same.
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No excuses. no red herrings. This is sick.


(though some of the links are broken or causing some freezing on my comp )

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Why do you think that we now have Internal Review Boards and Bioethics committees and protocols? A culmination of most disturbing events that have taken place during the last century. Ironic that it is the anti-vax 'advocates' like Wakefield et al. and the Geier boys that are now performing their ghoulish experimentations on children.

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Willowbrook isn't a newly discovered issue. And just like Tuskegee, anyone who does research can recite these incidences verbatim. Researchers are required to have hours (sometimes days) of ethical conduct training before we can even submit to the IRB.
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