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I thought I remembered hearing that it can.
Is it any vax? Or a certain one?

I was reading an article online and thought that there seem to be a few red flags.

I hope it's ok to share?

http://www.sptimes.com/2007/06/08/Hi...al_tale_.shtml

How often do you think it's truly an abuse?
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there have been several cases where parents were accused of killing their babies by shaken baby syndrome. there have been findings, however, that vaccines are capable of causing damage to the brain that completeley mimics shaken baby syndrome. there have been innocent parents labeled as murderers, when it was actually the vaccines that killed their babies. im sure someone will provide links, i dont have any at the moment.

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The major clue, in my opinion, is that it would be an amazing achievement to shake a baby hard enough to literally rattle their brain, but NOT cause any injuries to the neck. And yet, in some of the cases, that is the claim.

Anyone have an explanation of how this could work?

On the other hand: vaccines can cause brain swelling. vaccines can cause vitamin depletion and vitamin depletion can cause fractures (see scurvy).

I'm sure there are cases of babies dying from being shaken, though. People can be terrible.
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Here is an article discussing this

Shaken Baby Syndrome or Vaccine-Induced Encephalitis?

http://www.jpands.org/hacienda/buttram.html
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I contacted the person who runs Help Kaleb on MySpace and asked if he'd had any vaccinations the previous day (I should've asked if he'd had them within two weeks of the incident though), but she was very insisting that Kaleb had been suffocated. I couldn't help wonder myself, so that's why I had to ask.

I'm still not convinced one way or the other.. Either way it's a horrible tradgedy, but it would be even worse if an innocent woman had her life ruined because of a vaccine.. I can't imagine the heartache his parents must be suffering.
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My niece was a shaken baby and while people may supsect vaccines, vaccines don't cause 9 broken bones in a 3 month old child

To me and from what I have leanred about it multiple broken bones are what concretely points to shaken baby syndrome.
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Yep saw this on myspace, passed it along cause that babe needs lots of prayer. However, I wondered that same thing "Could it be vaccinations?". I dont believe he had broken bones or anything, and someone said "he was smothered", how does THAT cause brain swelling? Im lost as to how its assumed he had SBS.
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I just read the myspace and at first thought the woman should rot for doing this to a baby but THEN reading background info i wonder if it is possible vaccine damage. Not to say it makes a woman not an abuser however the babysitter supposibly has three of her own children. Hmmm maybe someone should contact the babysitters attorney
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http://www.vran.org/vaccines/sbs/sbs-flawed.htm

Some of the "evidence" like detatched retinas, blood in the eyes, swelling of the brain...all are also vaccine reactions. There is a whole yahoo group of falsely accused of SBS, and many of them cite vaccines recently. I was a member for a while but the mail got too overwhelming so I had to cut back.

here is the text of the above article...
GENERAL VACCINE ISSUES:
SHAKEN BABY SYNDROME - SCIENTIFICALLY FLAWED THEORY

A recently released Joint Statement on Shaken Baby Syndrome (1) endorsed by a number of Canadian organizations and described by them as "a form of child abuse", forwards certain scientifically unproven theories which have become entrenched in the medical and legal arena, and are being used to justify the persecution and false accusation of innocent parents and caregivers whose babies are struck with certain types of brain injuries.

Parents and care givers are being accused and often sent to jail on grounds that they have deliberately and violently shaken a baby causing brain injury or death. Undoubtedly in some cases, this may be true. However, in the last few years, there has emerged new scientific evidence which refutes the idea that deliberate violent shaking is the only possible cause for the symptoms arising from same, and that in fact, there exists the possibility of other factors that can cause these types of brain injuries.

Research by medical experts is revealing an emerging pattern of increasingly frequent vaccine reactions which, are being overlooked or misdiagnosed by the present health care system. Numerous researchers and the American Medical Association's official encyclopedia of medicine have concluded that, endotoxins (poisons produced by certain bacteria) sometimes make the walls of blood capillaries more permeable. "Some of the symptoms being quoted as shaken baby syndrome could be attributed to the DTP vaccine, particularly the whole-cell pertussis component," said Dr. Mark Geier, a Maryland physician and geneticist who has testified in numerous vaccine damage cases. He noted that one of the symptoms of shaken baby syndrome that prosecutors frequently stress is "bleeding on both sides of the brain because of being shaken back and forth." But, explained Geier: ``A baby that has a DTP shot potentially has interference with blood clotting, and you might end up with bleeding on both sides of the brain. It looks like it could have been shaken baby.
http://www.909shot.com/Articles/gnsshake.htm

The most pressing and disturbing question that arises in response to the Canadian Joint Statement on SBS is why it has chosen to ignore scientific evidence that points to reasons other than violent shaking that can trigger these injuries, and excludes the findings of the largest and most comprehensive scientific study ever done on the types of brain injuries commonly labeled as SBS cases? The study led by neuropathologist Jennian Geddes, at the Royal London Hospital and reported in the New Scientist (June, 2001) and later published in the Journal Brain, challenges the widely held view that only extreme violence causes the kinds of brain injuries in so called Shaken Baby Syndrome.

"We found an as yet unseen pathology focused on the craniocervical junction, the point where the brain meets the spinal cord," Geddes says. A rocking motion at this point can damage the vital part of the spinal cord that controls breathing. The subsequent lack of oxygen, makes the brain swell dramatically. This causes brain damage of the kind previously blamed on direct trauma to the brain caused by violent shaking.

The research calls into question the scientific evidence behind many convictions for killing infants and could open the way for a wave of appeals. "Unless it is certain that injuries were caused by gross negligence or worse, the judge will direct the jury to acquit," says John Binns, a criminal defense solicitor with Victor Lissack & Roscoe of London." On the basis of these findings, it is impossible to imagine a prosecution succeeding in anything but the clearest cases."
http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns9999874

Pediatric neuroradiologist, Dr. Patrick Barnes, M.D. raises concerns about the lack of consistent and reliable criteria for the diagnosis of NAI (non-accidental injury) & SBS. "The vast body of literature on child abuse is composed of anecdotal case series, case report, reviews, opinions and position papers. Furthermore, many reports include cases having impact injury that not only raises doubt regarding the "shaking only" mechanism but also questions that this injury is always "non-accidental". From an evidence-based medicine perspective, quality of evidence ratings for diagnostic criteria regarding the literature on SBS reveal that few published reports merit a rating above class 1V (any design where the test is not applied in blinded evaluation, where evidence is provided by expert opinion alone, or in descriptive case series without controls). Such qualities of evidence ratings hardly earn a diagnostic criteria recommendation level of "optional", much less as a "guideline" or "standard".(emphasis ours) This is particularly true of the neuro-imaging literature on SBS/NAI, the clinical SBS/NAI literature that uses neuro-imaging, and the forensic pathology literature."

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"To date, there is no scientific basis that indicates how much, or how little force is necessary to produce traumatic injury to the developing CNS (central nervous system)" says Dr. Barnes. He further questions the specificity of retinal hemorrhages as an indication of child abuse, and indicates that such hemorrhages "may be seen with a variety of conditions, including accidental trauma, resuscitation, increased intracranial pressure, increased venous pressure, certain metabolic disorders and other conditions."

Dr. Barnes reiterates that from the perspective of medical imaging data available, "it is clear that we do not have an established scientific platform from which to distinguish nonaccidental from accidental CNS injury, and in some cases, traumatic from non-traumatic CNS injury…….and that the immaturity of the young infant brain (e.g. under-myelinated, larger extra cerebral spaces) makes it more vulnerable to traumatic CNS injury whether accidental or non-accidental."

"The medical and imaging evidence, particularly where there is only CNS injury, cannot accurately diagnose presumed intentional injury. Only the social investigation may provide the basis for inflicted injury in the context of supportive medical, imaging or pathologic findings." Says Dr. Barnes, "The radiologist must be aware of certain conditions that are known to have clinical and imaging features that may mimic abuse. These include accidental injury, certain coagulopathies, vascular diseases, infectious or post-infectious conditions (e.g. post vaccinal), metabolic disorders, neoplastic diseases, certain therapies, and some congenital and dysplastic disorders. The physician should not only rule them out, but also must consider the possibility of combined, or multifactorial mechanisms with synergistic effects ( i.e., an underlying conditions with superimposed non-accidental, or accidental, trauma)."

Dr. Barnes offers a case in point of "a young infant who became progressively ill following a diphtheria-pertussis-tetanus (DPT) vaccination and subsequently became apneic. The father attempted to revive the child by "shaking" and then attempted CPR. The infant also received CPR by the rescue team at the home and again at the hospital. Retinal hemorrhages were present on ophthalmologic examination. The father was charged with abuse. Subsequent CT imaging with CT venography showed a combination of enhancing cerebral infarctions, venous thromboses and subdural hemorrhages………. The evidence was consistent with a hemorrhagic meningoencephalitis, likely postvaccinial, although additional trauma, either accidental (e.g. CPR) or nonaccidental (e.g. shaking) could not be ruled out. The father was convicted on the basis that the State's experts testified that the injuries could only be caused by SBS (96). The conviction is under appeal."

Concludes Dr. Barnes - "Timely and thorough evaluation of alleged NAI/SBS cases clinically and radiologically, in addition to the social assessment, can make the difference between appropriate child protection and an improper breakup of the family or a wrongful indictment and conviction. Pediatric neuroradiology often plays a major role in this assessment." (2)

There is tendency in some medical arenas to discount completely the history provided by the family if you find evidence of subdural hematoma [a pooling of blood under the outer membrane that surrounds the brain and spinal cord] - no matter what history is provided. Even a three-foot fall can cause fractures. It doesn't need to come from some shaking event. I'm always leery in medicine of saying something is always due to some factor, or that something is 100 percent. - Dr. Thomas Schweller, paediatric neurologist, testifying in court - Gannett News Service Report:
http://www.909shot.com/Articles/gnsshake.htm

....the train of events in the present case, culminating in death, could be explained by pneumonia together with viral meningitis and/or a vaccine-induced encephalitis. Shaken Baby Syndrome has never caused pneumonia and meningitis. Baby Alan died of a vaccine reaction. - Harold E .Buttram, MD and F. Edward Yazbak, MD, May 2000, have written extensively of this case. Alan Yurko, baby Alan's father, was convicted of SBS and is serving a life sentence, without parole, in a Florida prison.
http://www.freeyurko.bizland.com/storyofbabyalan.html

Author Acknowledgement

- by Viera Scheibner, Ph D, Journal of Australasian College of Nutritional and Environmental Medicine, Vol. 20 No. 2; 2001 August.

Another tragic case in the United States is that of a mother who has been jailed for life for allegedly shaking her quadruplets. The naturally conceived quadruplets were born two months prematurely, weighing around 3 lbs each. When the babies were three weeks old, they were given hepatitis B vaccine - following which, all four babies became ill and required hospitalization. Two babies ultimately required insertion of shunts in their brains to release blood and fluid as a result of subdural haemorrhages. Immediately the babies were hospitalized, the medical professionals made a diagnosis of SBS. These four babies are now scheduled for adoption and the maternal grandmother has been dismissed by state authorities as a possible candidate. - by Maureen Hickman, Nexus magazine (US) November-December 2000.

"It is only possible to exclude these other causes [NAI] by careful history taking, examination, appropriate and extensive testing, including assessment of nutritional status, enzyme levels, and assessing pathology of the liver, gut, kidneys, muscle, brain and heart. It is my view, based on the cases I have reviewed, that there is a tendency to assume that non-accidental injury has occurred in infants with subdural haemorrhage and retinal haemorrhage, and as a consequence of that assumption, there is a general failure in the first instance to pursue other potential causes or contributions to the injury as vigorously as would be expected." - Dr. Mark Donohoe 1999.

References:

1. Joint Statement on Shaken Baby Syndrome - Health Canada - English
Joint Statement on Shaken Baby Syndrome - Health Canada - French
2. Patrick Barnes, M.D. "Ethical Issues in Imaging Nonaccidental Injury: Child Abuse" - Topics in Magnetic Resonance, vol. 13 No.2, 2002

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According to the mother's story, the baby had been at the doctor's the day before and was "given a clean bill of health". Sounds like a WBV to me. Likely had all his 4 mo. vaxes.
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more reading:

http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/shakenbaby2.html


and these, both by Harold E. Buttram , MD
http://www.*********/v/buttram67.html

http://www.jpands.org/hacienda/buttram.html Oh sorry, Nifer already posted that, good work Nifer!

Liora. Best way to reach me is FACEBOOK, search for "LioraP2". Jewish and Frum In Beijing, Mom of Three (mother of 3: #1 was vaccine injured at age 2m later dx with PDD-NOS, healed in 3 years with biomed. #2 unvaxed and healthy boy. #3 unvaxed amazing girl with Down syndrome using Targeted Nutritional Intervention (TNI) since infancy)
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I will never babysit a vaccinated child Whether the babysitter is guilty or innocent, the possibility that vaccines did this is there. So terrifying.

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I saw that bulletin and immediately thought the same thing. I believe he was 6 months 3 days old.


Either way it's tragic, but if it actually was a vaccine injury it would be horrible to be the daycare worker

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From the mother's blog (written by a friend)
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They noticed that he was lethargic and experiencing obvious breathing abnormalities. The caregiver told them he was ill, but Kaleb had just visited the doctors the day before and was given a "clean bill of health".
From the article the OP linked
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Saunders, too, declined interview requests. Attorney Leon Jones, who briefly represented her, said no abuse occurred in her care. He said Saunders first met the baby a day or two earlier, and that Kaleb seemed overly fussy, couldn't stop crying and had breathing problems.

The day before the alleged abuse, Kaleb's mother referred to illness in a MySpace post to a woman on her "friends" list.

"So I just got a call from the Babysitter and Kaleb is SICK... 102 fever and throwing up... WHEN WILL IT END! I am so tired of DRAMA, " she wrote.

Diane Queto, a family friend, said Schwade took Kaleb to a doctor for a respiratory infection after the call from Saunders.

A day later, he was in the hospital for a brain injury.

In the weeks that followed, Schwade began using MySpace to tell what was then a small group of friends how Kaleb was doing. But, soon, total strangers were viewing her page, and by Thursday, it reflected 9, 250 "friends."

She told them the injury had blinded Kaleb. He also acquired bacterial meningitis. A noncontagious form may occur after head surgery, a Health Department epidemiologist said. Schwade told her readers that Kaleb might end up in a vegetative state, as much as she didn't want to believe it.

The injury also left him with seizures, she wrote.

(Bolding mine) Maaaan, that really does sound like a vax reaction.
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I will never babysit a vaccinated child Whether the babysitter is guilty or innocent, the possibility that vaccines did this is there. So terrifying.
Yes, it is! And here I was thinking that in a few years when my girls are older, we might enjoy providing AP care for babies of single mamas who have to work. After learning about this, there's no way I'd open us up to this kind of risk.

I also wonder if, even in cases of actual shaken-baby syndrome: what if it's a parent who did the shaking, but they turned around and blamed the babysitter? How do you prove who did it?

I still recall reading about two cases several years back, where it was automatically assumed the European aupairs did the shaking. It makes me think that any time there's another caregiver involved, there's a tendency to focus on the "other" rather than the parent.

I don't recall if vaccines were even mentioned in those two cases.

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sounds like it could be a vaccine reaction to me too. i wonder if anyone has said anything to her about it or left her any messages about it? the sad thing is, most mainstream people would think it was quackery.

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