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Vaccinations > Does Anyone out of the USA Do Not or Do Vaccinate
MommytoB's Avatar MommytoB 03:46 AM 10-29-2007
Asking this question i found out too late for my son avoid all vaccines when I was venting to his father of shots that's when he told me he was not vaccinated and he lived in poland til he was 6 yrs

patty_g's Avatar patty_g 08:50 AM 10-29-2007
We live in the Middle East and my children are vaccine-free, and I know several more families from the US and UK who are also vaccine-free living here.
forthebest's Avatar forthebest 08:53 AM 10-29-2007
Hi, I live in uk and my dc are 9,11 and 15 yrs old, all unvaxed.
aussiemum's Avatar aussiemum 09:02 AM 10-29-2007
I live in Australia, my kids have been very partially & delayed vaxed, & nobody has ever asked me to prove anything about their vax status to join or do anything. Never. Sure I've copped a bit of sh!t from the overall doctor's surgery & their nurses, but our family gp has just shrugged & said, 'Well, you know I think you are riding on herd immunity.' And I just shrugged too & said nothing. He's never really said anything to me about it since.
the_queen's Avatar the_queen 09:17 AM 10-29-2007
My eldest got her baby vax's, before I knew any better, and my son is completely vax-free. I have just had his CO form signed and I did get a lecture from the doctor, who seemed quite surprised when I managed to actually debate the issue with him
Plaid Leopard's Avatar Plaid Leopard 10:58 AM 10-29-2007
We live in Germany and do not vax. Vaxes are encouraged here but not mandatory, even for school attendance.
My eldest - born in the US - was partially vaxed. My 2nd has only had one tetanus shot. Neither will receive any more vaccinations
My 2 youngest are completely vax-free and will stay that way.
snangel's Avatar snangel 12:59 PM 10-29-2007
Mine are all vax free. I live in Canada. It has always been a non issue. I told the health unit we don't vax and they stopped calling me, the lady was like "oh well" They go to public school, and are involved in all sorts of activities. It's a non issue here.
thefragile7393's Avatar thefragile7393 01:10 PM 10-29-2007
I find all of this very interesting.....and it's interesting that there are no raging epidemics in all these other countries where vaxes are not even compulsory.
CarrieMF's Avatar CarrieMF 01:40 PM 10-29-2007
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Mine are all vax free. I live in Canada. It has always been a non issue. I told the health unit we don't vax and they stopped calling me, the lady was like "oh well" They go to public school, and are involved in all sorts of activities. It's a non issue here.
Same except my kids all got partial vax's. I do know a few families here who have chosen to not vax, either through experience or just not getting around to making the appt to go to public health.

There are only 3 provinces which you need a exemption for in Canada & the vary on the vax's. Most of the vax's which are commonly given don't need the exemption in those provinces. It goes against our Code of Civil Rights to force vaccinations.
MommytoB's Avatar MommytoB 06:58 PM 10-29-2007
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I find all of this very interesting.....and it's interesting that there are no raging epidemics in all these other countries where vaxes are not even compulsory.
i agree it just seems to be proven USA has a big case of greed of big bucks they make it seem like they care about us but they don't they try to make parents and kids get toxins into their body have a fit because they out of the reimbursement from the drug companies when parents deny kids vaccines .

Along with males being left intact as in not circumcised they are out of money there too.

if other countries can make it with no issue of with not having citzens vaxed how simple would it be for usa to do that instead of giving us posions?

just like how other countries rarely circ but no issues there but many issues in usa.
don't get it
Magali's Avatar Magali 07:35 PM 10-29-2007
I lived in Costa Rica for many years and had non-vax friends. Had my child been born there instead of in Canada, he would still be vax-free.
Tofu the Geek's Avatar Tofu the Geek 07:40 PM 10-29-2007
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I lived in Costa Rica for many years and had non-vax friends. Had my child been born there instead of in Canada, he would still be vax-free.
I don't understand what being born in Canada has to do with NOT being vax free? We live in Canada and neither of my kids have ever had a vaccine.
Spy's Avatar Spy 08:13 PM 10-29-2007
We lived in Russia when vax was compulsory. Wan't easy but we fought. Moved to Australia when kids were 12 years and 9 months old.
EBG's Avatar EBG 09:42 PM 10-29-2007
I moved to the States in 2001. I'm from Hungary where everyone is vaxed. Unvaxed is unheard-of. I guess that's what you get with socialized medicine...
However, you don't have tetanus boosters, only for the elderly or when you get injured, and flu shots are still rare... They just do the basic childhood vaxes, BCG, DTP, Polio, Rubella (NO chickenpox, mumps or measles!). I was the last generation to get the smallpox vaccine in 1976.
gurglebaby's Avatar gurglebaby 03:11 AM 10-30-2007
I live in Canada and have been told by a few of my friends that if I would like to put my child in pre-school I would have to show proof of vaccination.
The pre-schools are private so they choose to do that which is a pile of crap but there is no problem with the public schools.

That's fine with me because I don't care for my child to go to pre-school but I still think it's rediculous that they force the issue.:
hwbacmama's Avatar hwbacmama 03:50 AM 10-30-2007
Hi..I'm in Canada too, and my son is in preschool this year. I don't vax, and the only thing I had to do was sign a waiver that should a communicable disease be reported to the school, I'd have to pick up my son and keep him home.

I was anticipating a bit more of a debate about it, but it was smooth sailing. Thankfully!!
MilkTrance's Avatar MilkTrance 04:48 AM 10-30-2007
I live in Canada and my son is unvaxed. Most people here vax. Actually, I should say that almost all people here vax. But it is not the law to vaccinate. You can do what you want.
Rhannie's Avatar Rhannie 06:13 AM 10-30-2007
I'm in Japan and vaxing is a non-issue from the public school standpoint. As far as doctors go, it depends on the doctor (plus some of them might think it's just more of a hassle to push the point than it's worth, since I'm not Japanese :-/) The most "trouble" that I had was the public health nurse who called and recommended that I have DD get her DPT because there'd been a few cases of diptheria or whooping cough recently. I told her we aren't giving any vaccines, and that was the end of it.

Rhannie
twilight girl's Avatar twilight girl 05:50 PM 10-30-2007
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I lived in Costa Rica for many years and had non-vax friends. Had my child been born there instead of in Canada, he would still be vax-free.
We live in CR now, DS was born here and both our kids are/will be delayed/selectively vaxed.

If your child had been born here you would have been required to vax or lie about it. DS was born at home, and in order to register his birth we were required to provide "certification of initiation of vaccination schedule." Thankfully, we were hooked into a supportive pediatrician who is willing to lie. He lied and said he attended the birth, and lied and said that he initiated our vaccination schedule.

We will do selective vaxing for both our kids, as we intend to travel and be in contact with people and places where VPDs still exist. I don't want to vax them for things like chicken pox or the flu, but more serious diseases yes.
aussiemum's Avatar aussiemum 08:16 AM 10-31-2007
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I'm from Hungary where everyone is vaxed. Unvaxed is unheard-of. I guess that's what you get with socialized medicine...
I live in a country with (mostly) socialised medicine as well. Just for the record, I have never felt pressured to vax our kids, other than when we took our 12-hour-old newborn homebirthed DS to the hospital for a post-birth check-up (long story).
calynde's Avatar calynde 08:47 AM 10-31-2007
vaxing isn't compulsory here in Switzerland...and we've never been under any pressure to have them.
Deborah's Avatar Deborah 10:30 AM 10-31-2007
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vaxing isn't compulsory here in Switzerland...and we've never been under any pressure to have them.
Any epidemics lately? You know, like the ones the CDC predicts if people in the U.S. stop vaxing for EVERYTHING?
calynde's Avatar calynde 02:06 PM 11-01-2007
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Any epidemics lately? You know, like the ones the CDC predicts if people in the U.S. stop vaxing for EVERYTHING?
The only thing one hears about is the occasional measles outbreak...usually small pockets of children in one geographic area where vaxing rates are known to be low. Hardly an epidemic.

Having said that, I worked at a Steiner school here and the local university did a study on our students who were largely unvaxed, and whose families were largely vegetarian and/or using alternative medicine, etc. The rates of childhood illness among them were significantly lower than average!
Tofu the Geek's Avatar Tofu the Geek 02:45 PM 11-01-2007
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Having said that, I worked at a Steiner school here and the local university did a study on our students who were largely unvaxed, and whose families were largely vegetarian and/or using alternative medicine, etc. The rates of childhood illness among them were significantly lower than average!
Cool! Did that study get published somewhere that we could read it? I'd be really interested in seeing it.
calynde's Avatar calynde 04:01 PM 11-01-2007
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Cool! Did that study get published somewhere that we could read it? I'd be really interested in seeing it.
I checked and couldn't find the study online, but the article that the school wrote about the study is available...but only in German, so not likely to be interesting to most of you.

I can give a quick summary:

They were primarily looking at how certain lifestyle choices that are common in Steiner/Waldorf school families affect the overall immune system of the children...in particular the development of severe allergies (which appears to be on the rise).

They looked at several factors: antibiotic use, vaccination against MMR, eating organic/biodynamic food, length of breastfeeding, etc. Only 18% of the Steiner school students had received the MMR vaccine, compared with 93% of students in public school. Basically, they came to the conclusion that of all the above factors, the lack of MMR vaccination was most statistically significant as a connection to prevalence of allergies and hence, general immune system strength.

Interesting stuff...and there is apparently a larger scale study currently being done.
huggerwocky's Avatar huggerwocky 04:03 PM 11-01-2007
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The only thing one hears about is the occasional measles outbreak...usually small pockets of children in one geographic area where vaxing rates are known to be low. Hardly an epidemic.

Having said that, I worked at a Steiner school here and the local university did a study on our students who were largely unvaxed, and whose families were largely vegetarian and/or using alternative medicine, etc. The rates of childhood illness among them were significantly lower than average!
Germany has re-occurring measles outbreaks and high numbers of people who don't vaccinate.
calynde's Avatar calynde 04:03 PM 11-01-2007
oops repeat post, sorry
huggerwocky's Avatar huggerwocky 04:04 PM 11-01-2007
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I checked and couldn't find the study online, but the article that the school wrote about the study is available...but only in German, so not likely to be interesting to most of you. .
I'm interested please
calynde's Avatar calynde 04:09 PM 11-01-2007
http://www.tiny.cc/94hQk

let's try this...

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Deborah's Avatar Deborah 09:06 PM 11-01-2007
The first study of Steiner students was done in Jarna, Sweden, several years ago. The results were interesting and some scientists have been going around doing studies in various communities. I think if you search for PARSIFAL that is the name of the series of studies or something. I came across it in PubMed when I was looking for something else. So they may not be in English, but some are listed in the databases.

Don't have time to dig them out, I'm on the road.
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