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I was just wondering...for those of you who have children with Autism or Aspergers, are they vax free???

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my son has never been vax'd and he has classic moderate/severe autism, and is non-verbal. he was "not typical" from birth.
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My oldest has had his 2 month vax's only. He was different from birth. His dx is moderate pdd-nos. My youngest is vax free and we are waiting on his formal diagnosis. I was told mild pdd-nos possibly Asperger's when he gets older(he's not old enough for a AS dx yet). He had some social regression after he turned 2 years old but there were signs before then.

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My son has regressive autism; he lost all speech, interaction and started stimming and displaying unusual behaviors and likes when he was 18-19 months old. He is fully vaxed up to Kindergarten boosters.

My 2 1/2 year old and 6 month old are vax free and developing right on track.
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My son is 4 and was dx'd with autism when he was about 26 months.
He had not recieved any vaccinations at that point.

He was always a little different, but his verbal communication skills were "normal" until 18 months. He had a severe and complete regression at that point.

So yes, autism can happen even when you don't vax.
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My oldest was originally diagnosed with severe PDD NOS, SPD, and speech delay. He regressed after his 18 month MMR vaccination. We later learned that he had brain damage caused by acute encephalitis which is a known side effect of the MMR vaccine and which his neuro believes to be the cause. He also has live measels virus living in his intestines and some other related stomach problems. He has not had another official evaluation (other than for speech therapy, he is now considered normal to mild delay in that area) but he has come a very long way with treatment. He would probably no longer test on the spectrum today, but he will never be totally normal, the braindamage will always affect him to some degree.

The problem with autism diagnosis is that it is an umbrella term for a set of symptoms. All children with these symptoms are considered autistic, but it doesn't take into account the onset of the symptoms or their causes. So some children who have autism are actually vaccine damaged, some have mercury toxicity, some heavy metal poisoning, some have metabolic disorders, some have unrelated genetic disorders that manifest similar symptoms, and some are just born neurologically different. It makes it really hard then to look at autism and understand it. For my son's situation he desperately needed treatment to be well and to heal damage done to his system. Other children need special diets to allow them to be healthy, and as a result they behave more "normally". But for others autism is just how they are wired, and there is nothing wrong with that, they are just different. They don't need a cure, though some therapy can help them feel more comfortable in their environment and feel happier as a result. Anyway that is how I am coming to understand it. We definately need better testing, and probably a better diagnosis process. It would make life less confusing for everyone.
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My son is 4 and was dx'd with autism when he was about 26 months.
He had not recieved any vaccinations at that point.

He was always a little different, but his verbal communication skills were "normal" until 18 months. He had a severe and complete regression at that point.

So yes, autism can happen even when you don't vax.
I wonder what it is about 18 months that sees a beginning of the regression. From what I am reading, it's so common that the regression happens at 18 months. This may be why vaccinations are "linked" to Autism (the timing).

What happens in a baby at 18 months that causes this regression?
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I wonder what it is about 18 months that sees a beginning of the regression. From what I am reading, it's so common that the regression happens at 18 months. This may be why vaccinations are "linked" to Autism (the timing).

What happens in a baby at 18 months that causes this regression?
My DH and I had this conversation the other day about autism. It is something I'm interested in knowing this too. Likely, the answer is, 'We don't know.' I was wondering if it could have something to do with the typical development path - when it is time for something to kick in or take over - it isn't there, or is defective... I have read research that "mirror neurons" (neurons that gives us the ability to "experience" others emotions/actions) are possibly involved. I've also read that these mirror neurons are very active in babies. I wondered if, as humans develop, the role of these neurons change or they mature in such a (defective) way that the ability is lost whereas in others, they may be defective from birth. The role of genetics could be such that it causes a problem at birth or makes a child susceptible to damage (toxins, vaccines, etc.)

Pure speculation.

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That is very interesting. Mirror neurons. I will have to look that up.

Poor babies. It must be difficult to grow up in a world that is geared towards one way of interacting/emoting and not fitting into that... "box" I guess you could say.
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The problem with autism diagnosis is that it is an umbrella term for a set of symptoms. All children with these symptoms are considered autistic, but it doesn't take into account the onset of the symptoms or their causes. So some children who have autism are actually vaccine damaged, some have mercury toxicity, some heavy metal poisoning, some have metabolic disorders, some have unrelated genetic disorders that manifest similar symptoms, and some are just born neurologically different. It makes it really hard then to look at autism and understand it. For my son's situation he desperately needed treatment to be well and to heal damage done to his system. Other children need special diets to allow them to be healthy, and as a result they behave more "normally". But for others autism is just how they are wired, and there is nothing wrong with that, they are just different. They don't need a cure, though some therapy can help them feel more comfortable in their environment and feel happier as a result. Anyway that is how I am coming to understand it. We definately need better testing, and probably a better diagnosis process. It would make life less confusing for everyone.

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The problem with autism diagnosis is that it is an umbrella term for a set of symptoms. All children with these symptoms are considered autistic, but it doesn't take into account the onset of the symptoms or their causes. So some children who have autism are actually vaccine damaged, some have mercury toxicity, some heavy metal poisoning, some have metabolic disorders, some have unrelated genetic disorders that manifest similar symptoms, and some are just born neurologically different. It makes it really hard then to look at autism and understand it. For my son's situation he desperately needed treatment to be well and to heal damage done to his system. Other children need special diets to allow them to be healthy, and as a result they behave more "normally". But for others autism is just how they are wired, and there is nothing wrong with that, they are just different. They don't need a cure, though some therapy can help them feel more comfortable in their environment and feel happier as a result. Anyway that is how I am coming to understand it. We definately need better testing, and probably a better diagnosis process. It would make life less confusing for everyone.
I totally agree.
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Just to add a different take to this thread.
My 50-something year old cousin is autistic. He was fine until his 2 year old shots. His dad is a M.D. and his mom is an R.N. and my cousin was given every shot available at that time. So it's not just the plethora of shots given today that causes problems.
My personal theory is that, autism, like many things has multiple causes, depending on the individual. I read a book that suggested that one link may be parents of high I.Q. specifically with a scientific bent. A friend of mine has an autistic little boy and my friend is a chemist and his wife is a R.N. My father (the blood uncle of my cousin), who has never been diagnosed with anything like this, started talking normally, then stopped talking entirely for almost a year. Then her just started talking again one day. I have no idea what shots were being given during WWII.
Sorry I'm rambling. To sum up my opinion. Can autism happen without vaccines? Sure.
Does it happen often? Nope.
Does it happen to one out of every 166 children without vaxes? Nope.
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I wonder what it is about 18 months that sees a beginning of the regression. From what I am reading, it's so common that the regression happens at 18 months. This may be why vaccinations are "linked" to Autism (the timing).

What happens in a baby at 18 months that causes this regression?

i bought into to this and delayed vaccination until after the common danger point of 18 months. We didn't start vaxing my second until 3 1/2 years...at 4 1/2 years he regressed - lost eye contact and suddenly couldn't put sentences together. I thought it would be easier in this case for the doctor to admit it had been the vaxes...instead, I was just told it was late on-set autism. yeah right....
however, i agree with iris0110 - my son doesn't have autism - he's been vaccine damaged. Just that they lump all the vaccine cases in with true autism because they won't admit the posoining.
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