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Old 10-08-2003, 11:01 PM - Thread Starter
 
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My son-in-law will shortly become a speech language pathologist. Autism is of great concern to this profession because they are struggling to deal with the flood of seriously ill children who need their help.

Tonight he told me that one of his colleagues had been thinking that thimerosal was a plausible factor in the epidemic, but was told at a conference that:

1)Thimerosal had never been used in Canada
2)A study had recently demonstrated that autism was rising in Canada just as in the U.S.
3)Therefore thimerosal ain't guilty

This sounds to me like a distorted version of the Danish study which looked at the period before and after the removal of thimerosal in Denmark and concluded that the rates went up after the removal.

Does anyone know if Canada uses different vaccines from the U.S? Are they currently thimerosal free? Were they thimerosal free in the past?

I can undoubtedly track this down, but I thought I'd try here first, partly because this is an interesting example of how the powers that be try to paper over stuff and spread rumors that support their position.

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Who were the liars at this conference?

http://64.41.99.118/vran/vaccines/mercury/mer_info.htm

http://www.cps.ca/english/media/News...ewsrelease.htm

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Yeah, sorry to have to agree, but Thimersol was used in Canada. Sad but true.

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Thank you for the information and links. Very helpful. I will go and search to see if an actual study has been done on autism rates in Canada in relation to thimerosal in vaccines. I have a feeling the answer is no, but I will share whatever I find.

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Well, interesting.

I searched: autism vaccines thimerosal

got 15 articles. here is the citation for the relevant one:

12: Can Commun Dis Rep. 2002 May 1;28(9):69-80.

Exposure to thimerosal in vaccines used in Canadian infant immunization
programs, with respect to risk of neurodevelopmental disorders.

[Article in English, French]

Bigham M, Copes R, Srour L.

British Columbia Centre for Disease Control, Vancouver, British Columbia.

Publication Types:
Review
Review, Tutorial

MeSH Terms:
Autistic Disorder/chemically induced
Environmental Exposure/adverse effects*
Hepatitis B Vaccines/adverse effects*
Human
Mercury/adverse effects*
Nervous System Diseases/chemically induced*
Preservatives, Pharmaceutical/adverse effects*
Preservatives, Pharmaceutical/chemistry
Risk Factors
Thimerosal/adverse effects*
Thimerosal/chemistry

Substances:
Hepatitis B Vaccines
Preservatives, Pharmaceutical
Thimerosal
Mercury

PMID: 12012653 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

There is no abstract and McGill doesn't link to full-text. I will see if I can get hold of the article and find out what they said.

Another snow job?

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Funny, I and my midwife used the Canadian RhoGam 5 years ago because they didn't use thimerosal. But maybe it was just the RhoGam (WinRho in Canada) or maybe we got dooped:

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Fummy mummy,

Don't have a ref for this, but Canada stopped using thimersol long before the States did.

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That's what I thought.
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Just got an e-mail from my son-in-law, saying that Canada stopped using thimerosal long ago and that their autism rates have been rising at the same rate as the U.S., therefore thimerosal has nothing to do with autism.

I wrote back pointing out that autism rates are not carefully tracked either in the U.S. or Canada, that there may be other exposures and so forth and so on.

Does anybody know more about this? He is pretty anti-vaccine for his own kids, but I get the feeling he doesn't want to believe that the powers that be are deliberately destroying children for profit. I have to admit that I don't want to believe it either, but I find the evidence of malfeasance pretty convincing.

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Funny, I and my midwife used the Canadian RhoGam 5 years ago because they didn't use thimerosal. But maybe it was just the RhoGam (WinRho in Canada) or maybe we got dooped
RhoGAM and WinRho are made by different companies.

In 2002, before finding out that RhoGAM is now thimerisol-free, I tried to get WinRho (in the states) & my dr gave me the run-around because he thought that the amount of mercury was "negligeable". He didn't even know it was no longer in the shot, yet he was prescribing it on a regular basis! When he realized I had been doing vaccine research and saw how pissed I was at his lack of effort, he emailed me an apology letter. He must've mentioned it to a colleague who knew about the subject because he then went to the efforts to find out that RhoGAM is now mercury-free. And, yes, I still couble-checked the package insert.
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