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Old 11-10-2008, 06:41 PM - Thread Starter
 
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So, I am thinking about postponing many of my DDs vaccinations, but my husband isn't. From the research I've done, it seems it is the thermasal (sp?) that most people are concerned about, especially in the MMR shot? I've heard of some parents who just space those shots out. But, if you do that, aren't you increasing your child's exposure to the harmful chemical?

Also, if you choose not to vaccinate, what do you do in areas where measles are a concern? Is there any way to just get the measle vax without anything else?

Thanks for your help -- just rethinking the vax schedule after my DD got her first couple of vax -- seemed like so much into her tiny preemie body.
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Thimerasol has never been in the MMR

That being said there are MANY other ingredients that should concern you besides Thimerasol. Aluminum, formaldehyde, aborted fetal cells, bovine (cow) serum, chick embryos (egg proteins), antibiotics.....and the list can go on.
you should visit http://www.novaccine.com and check out the ingredients of the vaccines you are wondering about.

It seems that you are in the beginning stages of your research. i would highly reccomend that you stop all vaccines until you have a chance to really do the research. You can always vaccinate later if you choose. I suggest you visit the following websites for a lot of great information
http://www.sayingnotovaccines.com
http://www.vaclib.org/indexdoc.htm#legal
http://www.nmaseminars.com/AboutDrT.html
http://thinktwice.com/
http://www.chetday.com/vaccinationmyths.htm
http://insidevaccines.com/
http://www.vaccinenation.net/
http://www.knowvaccines.com/
http://www.putchildrenfirst.org/flu.html
http://vaccinationnews.com/
http://www.vaccinerights.com/
http://www.vierascheibner.com/

Also research the actual disaease these vaccines are supposed to prevent. Many of them are not that scary (ie measles in a otherwise healthy child is nothing to be feared).

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Thank you so much for those links! I will check them out!
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Also, if you choose not to vaccinate, what do you do in areas where measles are a concern? Is there any way to just get the measle vax without anything else?
What do you do? Give natural vitamin A, rest, fluids and BRAT. Before you even look at the ingredients, research the disease; why are we supposed to vaccinate? just because there is a vaccine for a disease?

Graphs:
Graphs of England and Wales Mortality Rates 1838-1978

Disease Pattern Graphs from the 1800s to the Present Day



Measles "is generally looked upon as one of the most harmless diseases"according to Kurt Elsner, M.D. in 1908

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive...619C946997D6CF
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Here is the information on the Switzerland Measles outbreak:

http://www.eurosurveillance.org/ew/2007/070726.asp

483 cases total for November 2006- July 2007.


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Six percent of the 445 cases for whom a detailed questionnaire had been submitted were vaccinated against measles (18 with one dose and nine with two doses), 87% were unvaccinated, and the vaccination status of the remaining 7% was unknown. There were 43 cases (10%) requiring hospitalization. Among 445 cases for whom information about complications was available, four cases were reported with encephalitis (1%), all among children, 29 cases with pneumonia (7%, median age 10 years), and 31 cases with otitis media [earache](7%). No deaths were reported.
http://www.eurosurveillance.org/edit...8/080221_1.asp
Switzerland Measles Outbreak - From Nov 2006 to Feb 2008:

"1405 cases
1319 cases for which detailed information available**

Hospitalizations** 104 -- 7.9%
Pneumonia** 63 -- 4.8%
Otitis Media (ear aches)** 62 -- 4.7%
Encephalitis** 6 -- 0.5%

The proportion of vaccinated patients has been low for all ages (Figure 4). There were 104 cases (8% of 1,319 cases for whom information about hospitalisation and complications were available) who required hospitalisation. Six cases were reported with encephalitis or suspicion of encephalitis (0.5%), all among children. No deaths have been reported." The average age is eleven.[/quote]
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Mumps: "Though it is well recognized that mumps is generally harmless and that natural infection confers permanent immunity, the ocasional severe complication led to the use of the mumps vaccine." (Romm, 63) What complication does everyone consider when thinking of mumps? Orchitis, the inflamation of a testies that may cause sterility in post pubesent males. The incidence of this is so rare that there are no statistics, and as Dr. Mendelsohn said, a male with one testicle can populate the whole world.

Rubella: "The significance of rubella is not in its effects in the childhood population but in its potential to cause congenital rubella syndrome (CRS) in unborn babies whose mothers are exposed during pregnancy." (Romm 65). So you are not giving Rubella to protect YOUR CHILD but your pregnant neighbor (who should be taking cod liver oil to protect against rubella and measles).

Measles: "The complications associated with measles are otitis media (ear aches), pneumonia, postinfection encephalitis, hearing loss (generally unilateral but can be bilateral), subsclerosing panencephalitis..., and death." Depletion of essential vitamins is a major culprit in complications. Administering cod liver oil (vit A) and sodium ascorbate (vit C) is important for trying to prevent this. "...it has been the use of the vaccine that has raised the incidence of disease in the most at-risk populations while decreasing it in the lowest-risk populations. (Romm 62). Measles used to be a prank on the Brady Bunch, now it is a disease of the week on shows like ER.
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Measles outbreak in Gibraltar, August–October 2008
http://www.eurosurveillance.org/View...rticleId=19034

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1. Name of the disease
2. Description of the disease
3. Length of time from initial infection to end of all symptoms
4. Infectious period
5. Normal symptoms of the disease
6. Known serious consequences of the disease
7. Proportion of persons infected developing serious consequences
8. Transmission route of the disease
9. Prevalence of the disease
10. Treatments of the disease and efficacy of those treatments
11. Relevant research about the disease
12. Name of the vaccine
13. Company that makes the vaccine
14. Contents of the vaccine
14A. The significance of whether or not the vaccine is live
15. History of development of the vaccine
16. Known side-effects of the vaccine and rate of incidence of those side-effects
17. Possible side-effects not yet acknowledged by the vaccine maker
18. Relevant research into the vaccine
19. How effective is the vaccine at preventing the disease?
20.What is the vaccine meant to do? (Many vaccines are not meant to prevent infection or transmission).
21.Number of cases reported each year.
22.Number of deaths reported each year from the vaccine and natural disease.

Here are some sources to help you out:

Inside Vaccines

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/mmwr_wk.html (download the current issue)
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pin...k-chapters.htm
http://vaers.hhs.gov/pdf/PackageInserts.pdf
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...40451107552&q=
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...87981735&hl=en
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pin...ses&deaths.pdf

"It should be a rule in all prophylactic work that no harm should ever be unnecessarily inflicted on a healthy person (Sir Graham Wilson, The Hazards of Immunization, 1967)."
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When I was a kid no one was afraid of measles. I had measles, so did everyone in my generation and in a fairly healthy kid, no one had any lasting impact. We were sick for a few days, had a high fever (which parents never treated - another thread!) , got a rash and got over it. As a result we had life long immunity. No need for booster shots that wear off again.

My dh was sent to the neighbor's house to get infected to get it over with because school was closed and when school reopened, his mom wanted him well again.

I personally remember when the CDC said they would never bother with a measles vaccine because it was such a mild disease. But I suspect they were already working on a vaccine at the time. Soon after that they came out with a vaccine and said you only need one shot at a young age and you won't ever get measles.

That's what happened. They messed with the natural protection of measles. Mothers soon had no immunity to pass on to their children and now look where we are. We are afraid of measles and they recommend two or three shots? I don't even know...

Look at this -
http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/...-grim-reality/
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From the research I've done, it seems it is the thermasal (sp?) that most people are concerned about, especially in the MMR shot?
Again - it bears repeating, b/c so many people INCLUDING doctors pass this misinformation - there is, and never was, thimerosal in the MMR vaccine.

Though thimerosal was removed from most childhood vaccines (except the flu shot), there are plenty of other things to be concerned about, such as aluminum, aborted fetal cells, serum from non-human species, and much more.


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Also, if you choose not to vaccinate, what do you do in areas where measles are a concern?
I don't worry about it. Measles was pretty common in my generation, and prior to that. People who are generally healthy to begin with don't just up and die from measles.


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just rethinking the vax schedule after my DD got her first couple of vax -- seemed like so much into her tiny preemie body.
I think you're wise to be looking at vaccines with a more critical eye.

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I agree with everyone else. Research the disease first. By the time you get to looking at the rest you will be wondering why we even fear most of these things so much.

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Also, if you choose not to vaccinate, what do you do in areas where measles are a concern?
Nurse them through it if they get it? That's what I would do That and help their immune system naturally with C & D.

Mercury was the initial concern for me. Then I learned about the diseases themselves, and the related vax and found that they fall into these categories:
1. I'd rather my kids get the illness (chicken pox)
2. I'm not concerned if they do get the illness (mumps, rubella, measles)
2. The illness is not a risk to my kids (hep b, polio, diphtheria, tetanus)
3. The vaccine is ineffective (prevnar, hib, pertussis) so I won't bother
4. The vaccine is too obviously reactive (MMR, DTaP)

In the end, no vaccine won out for me to choose it for my kids because of the above and the fact that vaccines are trying to give artificial immunity and have very unsafe ingredients.

Good for you for taking a closer look. Keep at it.

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Also, if you choose not to vaccinate, what do you do in areas where measles are a concern?
Good for you for asking questions!!

ps, I got measles from the MMR as a teen. Damned if you do damned if you don't : HUGE reason I am anti-vax now.

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