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#31 of 52 Old 12-11-2008, 03:52 AM - Thread Starter
 
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I guess I misspoke (mistyped?) in the op. I know it isnt illegal in ca or nj, but the legislation in nj is trying to make it much much harder to do and from my understanding, I thought the thing in ca made it so you could only hs if you were a certified teacher?

Anyway, it just made me think. Even when it doesnt work, this type of stuff keeps popping up. LIke the powers that be are out to get us, LOL! Ok, conspiracy theories anyone? But seriously, it was just a what if type question because I see that homeschoolers are having to constantly and vigilanty defend the right to do so. I dont get why. Likea pp said, there isnt enough funding for the kids they have in ps now!! Just seems like it is always one state or another is trying to curb or curtail it. Or control it more rigidly.

Im not sure what I'd do if it became illegal here (highly unlikely, I realize I live in a perfect state for hs...texas) but still, I think about these things. Yes, I have to borrow trouble!

I was just curious what others thought they would do in that situation.

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The California case was overturned - and in any case, it was directly in conflict with existing law.

I don't know what I'd do if it actually was made illegal.
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Well, I just read about it being outlawed in a canton in Switzerland unless the parent has a teacher's certificate... and in many parts of Europe it is utterly illegal, to the extent of children being taken from their homes.
It is harder to homeschool in Europe, but it's different over there (I'm in the U.S. on a visit at the moment). Homeschooling is just starting to gain popularity--it's not like it was like how it is in the U.S. and then suddenly became illegal or highly restricted. In some countries, homeschooling for religious reasons arouses suspicion rather than understanding (are they fundamentalists? are they in a cult?).

I also think the U.S. is less comfortable with policing parents before there's been any evidence to suggest there is a problem. In France you get home visits from the very first year you homeschool. In Switzerland a lot of families who homeschool are not Swiss. Some are, but I think many of us figure if they try to restrict it too much we'll move. Out of 50 homeschooling families in canton Zurich, only 8 are fighting the new laws. In some European countries it can be as easy to homeschool as in the U.S. It can be so different from one country to another.

I'm rambling, but my point is that what's going on in Europe really shouldn't be viewed as an indicator of what could happen in the U.S. I think eventually it will be easier to homeschool in Europe. I do not think homeschooling will be strictly controlled or ever made illegal in the U.S. It's just not gonna happen!
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I'd HS underground. I know a bunch of people that were doing that as response to PA and NY HSing laws 20 years ago.
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I'd HS underground. I know a bunch of people that were doing that as response to PA and NY HSing laws 20 years ago.
How do you do that?
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...and from my understanding, I thought the thing in ca made it so you could only hs if you were a certified teacher?
No. It's a rather long story, but here's the bottom line:
"On August 8, the California Court of Appeal for the Second Appellate District ruled that homeschooling is indeed a legal option in California. This was a reversal of a ruling in February of this year that parents must hold a teaching credential to homeschool their children, and confirms HSC’s long held interpretation of private school laws."

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Not something I'll go into detail about on a public forum. But the info is out there for those that go looking. And FTR I haven't done any looking recently. I don't have any minor children subject to compulsory attendance laws anymore so it hasn't come up. But it was a very hot topic years ago in the unschooling community.
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Not something I'll go into detail about on a public forum. But the info is out there for those that go looking. And FTR I haven't done any looking recently. I don't have any minor children subject to compulsory attendance laws anymore so it hasn't come up. But it was a very hot topic years ago in the unschooling community.
I know in one school district in NY where many of the families are homeschooling without reporting- but it seems to be mostly because the superintendent of the district is hs friendly and doesn't care. The family member I had living there was one of the few that did report and they could have cared less about the paper work she sent in. I suppose if it was ever illegal, there would be a few angels out there in disguise as superintendent that would look the other way when it came to hsing. But you'd have to be in the right district!
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Why would they be looking the other way? Why would the district even know the people were HSing in the first place, if they never had reported or been in the system YK?
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Exactly. My children, for example, have never been enrolled in school. So it's not like the school would know they were missing.

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Why would they be looking the other way? Why would the district even know the people were HSing in the first place, if they never had reported or been in the system YK?
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Exactly. My children, for example, have never been enrolled in school. So it's not like the school would know they were missing.
BUt dont you have to file some type of HS paperwork either either with the school district or dept of education at the state level. I know this varies based on what state you are in. for example in AZ you only send in one affidavit the first year you HS and no one ever bothers you again. But they do have a 'record' that you are HS your kid.
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BUt dont you have to file some type of HS paperwork either either with the school district or dept of education at the state level. I know this varies based on what state you are in. for example in AZ you only send in one affidavit the first year you HS and no one ever bothers you again. But they do have a 'record' that you are HS your kid.
Not in NJ. I don't have to do a thing as long as my kids were never in school noone in the school district even knows they exist, I guess.

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There are already rules in NYS law about homeschooling. The regulations are a PITA, but they don't affect my day-to-day interactions with my kids, and they guarantee that homeschooling can't be made illegal in my state, at least not without a huge fight.

I could see having to deal with more paperwork, but honestly I'm not worried in the slightest about HSing becomming illegal in the next 11 years (when DS is 18 and past school age.)

I don't have a "what if?" solution in my head because it's simply not something I'm worried about actually happening.

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Not in NJ.
Nor in Michigan.
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Probably move to Canada. Unless the government was going to make it so that I didn't have to pay so much to send my kids to the private school we have picked out as our "backup" in case hsing doesn't work for us for whatever reason. Or maybe I'd use one of those virtual academies, like the K12 one here in Ohio.

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Not in NJ. I don't have to do a thing as long as my kids were never in school noone in the school district even knows they exist, I guess.
In Kansas, we register our non-accredited private school one time with the state. We don't send anything for individual children. My dd's name isn't on the form at all. She has never been in school anywhere. She was born in another state. I don't know if Kansas or the school district even knows she exists.

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i would start my own school.

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BUt dont you have to file some type of HS paperwork either either with the school district or dept of education at the state level. I know this varies based on what state you are in. for example in AZ you only send in one affidavit the first year you HS and no one ever bothers you again. But they do have a 'record' that you are HS your kid.
I did, but I have friends who never bothered to file the paperwork. I often question whether we should have gotten on the city's radar, but we haven't had any issues with them. And I've only filed it for our older two, so they don't know about the younger two.

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I would so move, going under ground to homeschool if necessary.

I have only lived in Montana, Alaska and Texas for 20 years of homeschooling, because of thier laws.

The Mountains of North West Montana, or Alaska would look real good ;-)

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Why would they be looking the other way? Why would the district even know the people were HSing in the first place, if they never had reported or been in the system YK?
In my family's case, I attended the public school and my mom and little brother volunteered in the classrooms so much it was pretty obvious he was homeschooling. This was in Oregon between '85 and '91 and there were laws about registering as homeschoolers, but that never happened.
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I would find a loophole, like enrollment in a private correspondence school or something like that. And then I would pursue a teaching certificate if having one would get me "legal". And then I would use it to help other HSers.

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