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Oooh, that doesn't sound good. I'm not sure when the foreign language options become available here .... I'd been thinking about seeing if I could find someone in the community who would be willing to just teach their language instead .....

We ended up skipping most lessons today. I've got 60 dinner rolls made for dinner Thursday (and leftovers afterwards ) - need to make two pies yet tonight, and pack, and so on. We'll do the k12 lessons on our way up, and more while we're there. I'm from a large family, thus the large number of dinner rolls.

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I thought we'd get a ton of stuff done this week on break and we haven't touched anything. Honestly, I've been enjoying not doing it, and so has he, so I guess we'll just keep delaying.
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Does anyone feel bad about skipping some of the hokey things that they have you do - the "collect a bunch of stuffed animals, and label them each with their names, then put them in a circle and ....yadayada" stuff? For those with K kids.
Glad to hear some others skip this too. I was wondering if it was just me being lazy, but what a pain. In 3rd grade there aren't a TON of those, but there's enough for me to shake my head about it regularly enough
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CAVA families - are any of your kids doing the science fair? We didn't do it last year, but both of my kids want to do it this year. Anyone else?
Sounds like we're going for it.
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Bean started PowerSpeak French this week. He's excited, and having a blast with it.
I was told to do Spanish next year with my now 8yo.. but Bean's 7?? Hmmm..wonder why she said no.

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I was told to do Spanish next year with my now 8yo.. but Bean's 7?? Hmmm..wonder why she said no.
It sounds like there's some unofficial policy (or official, maybe) within CAVA not to let kids start it until 3rd or 4th grade. I wasn't able to let my DD do it last year in K, but my teacher last year went ahead and signed DD up for it for this year anyway. Part of the issue is that after they do two years of a language, they will not let them move on to middle school language until they are actually in middle school. My kids will just do another language if we're still with K12.
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I was told to do Spanish next year with my now 8yo.. but Bean's 7?? Hmmm..wonder why she said no.
Bean's odd. (I say that with all the love in the world-- he's my very favorite dimpled seven-year-old boy. )

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Something ugly came across our CAVA group today, the admin may start making elluminate's mandatory? Anyone else heard anything about this? This would be a deal breaker for us no matter how much we may like k12's materials.

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I've been told so many conflicting things about this. It will absolutely be a deal breaker for me if they try to force us into them.
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I've been told so many conflicting things about this. It will absolutely be a deal breaker for me if they try to force us into them.
Tell me about it, they have dd assigned to decimals and fractions right now. Yeah, kid was doing 5+ (3*5) - 6(1*3) a year ago when tested and they want her to spend an hour a week learning 1/2 + 1/2 = 1? (in graphic format no less!) Unless there planning on doing 1 on 1 exactly where the child is working no way.

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I'm going though what we need to take with us this week and I'm wondering, is there audio available for the Classics for young readers 3A and 3B?

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I just heard back from our teacher, CAVA is making them mandatory. I suggest everyone call the administration*and make your feelings known! If they insist on this we will be leaving CAVA K12 is not something we can afford but I'm not going to put up with being forced into having to be at x place at x time every week and having that time change every few weeks no less. We HS in part because we NEED extreme flexibility and the public school schedule just does not work with our scheduling needs.


ETA: I just called admin and they also verified its now a requirement but you have the option of listening to the recorded session. I expressed my concerns and why and she is going to ask if they will be making exceptions. I can see making a student struggling attend but for one who's not? That's crazy, I'm not going to make my kid sit though a 1 hour class for a concept that 1) she already understands and 2) is painfully slow to learn, she masters stuff in minutes and doesn't need it drawn out over hours. One of the main selling points of K12 is allowing your child to move at there own pace, unless there doing 1 on 1 Elluminate's specifically tailored to that child at the childs learning pace on a flexible schedule then they are not meeting the very benefit that is there #1 selling point!

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I just heard back from our teacher, CAVA is making them mandatory. I suggest everyone call the administration*and make your feelings known! If they insist on this we will be leaving CAVA K12 is not something we can afford but I'm not going to put up with being forced into having to be at x place at x time every week and having that time change every few weeks no less. We HS in part because we NEED extreme flexibility and the public school schedule just does not work with our scheduling needs.
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That's exactly my feelings on it, too, Satori. I'm lucky that we have a lot of other charter/home school options if it comes to us having to leave - options that allow a lot of choice in curriculum (and the ability to possibly use some k12 curriculum) and pay for extra curriculars. You and I are not the only people unhappy enough to leave over it. Frankly, considering how low CAVA's standardized test scores can be, I think they'd want to bend over backwards to make sure that kids like my son who test well stick around.
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That's exactly my feelings on it, too, Satori. I'm lucky that we have a lot of other charter/home school options if it comes to us having to leave - options that allow a lot of choice in curriculum (and the ability to possibly use some k12 curriculum) and pay for extra curriculars. You and I are not the only people unhappy enough to leave over it. Frankly, considering how low CAVA's standardized test scores can be, I think they'd want to bend over backwards to make sure that kids like my son who test well stick around.
I didn't even think to check other charters! The only one I know of is one we tried and hated, I just did a quick google search and there are several that cover my area now and at least one offers k12 materials as an option. I'm going to look into all our options.

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That's exactly my feelings on it, too, Satori. I'm lucky that we have a lot of other charter/home school options if it comes to us having to leave - options that allow a lot of choice in curriculum (and the ability to possibly use some k12 curriculum) and pay for extra curriculars. You and I are not the only people unhappy enough to leave over it. Frankly, considering how low CAVA's standardized test scores can be, I think they'd want to bend over backwards to make sure that kids like my son who test well stick around.
That's so depressing. Bean has one Elluminate each week, and it doesn't take him long at all to finish it or the Scantron quiz he does afterward. Boobah's been doing "Monday Funday" sessions each week, but they're completely optional and she *loves* them. There's no way I'd bother with a mandatory session designed for students struggling with a curriculum that's two years behind what my child is doing! That doesn't even make sense.

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That's so depressing. Bean has one Elluminate each week, and it doesn't take him long at all to finish it or the Scantron quiz he does afterward. Boobah's been doing "Monday Funday" sessions each week, but they're completely optional and she *loves* them. There's no way I'd bother with a mandatory session designed for students struggling with a curriculum that's two years behind what my child is doing! That doesn't even make sense.
I was under the impression the elluminate sessions were optional for us as well but recently heard from our teacher that they are not. I have to message her back and find out what to do with the fact that we are then way behind on them. There are only on average 7 kids in her weekly class so it doesn't seem people are taking it too seriously.

FWIW YDD does the 1st grade elluminates and not the K ones, though she is in K. She would have the same teacher next year and I can't imagine her asking DD to do the same ones again. As it is we constantly hear "does anyone else other then 'YDD' want to answer this question? No, Ok, go ahead.".

I wonder if attending another optional elluminate each week would suffice? Has anyone looked into that?
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I received a call back from the admin this afternoon after talking to them this morning, they changed there tune and there now only required for those who are behind/struggling.

I was pretty ticked off when I called, maybe they realized this was a bad move when angry parents started calling.

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Well, that's good to hear. I'm still keeping other options in mind.
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Hmm, at least here in WY, the Elluminate Sessions are simply during the teacher's biweekly phone call - she does one of the lessons for that day with Ina. This week it will be math. Two weeks ago, it was history.

I can't imagine that it makes any sense to make sessions mandatory and including a large group of students, given that students are all working at different paces. We are a couple months ahead in math, a little behind in history and science, etc.

I wonder how much is a k12 policy, and how much is an external mandate from a school district or state education board ....

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I wonder how much is a k12 policy, and how much is an external mandate from a school district or state education board ....
My guess would be the really crappy 2009 STAR test scores.

Yes I know all about the scores but they live and die by the scores and I'm guessing thats whats driving it.

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I have to jump in here regarding the crappy state testing scores. The reason many of us choose homeschooling (and K12) is because our children don't learn well in a traditional school setting. Many of them are struggling academically but maybe not enough to warrant an IEP.
I hate that the kids' progress is measured by state testing. It seems like such a waste of time and money!
I realize K12 needs a way to track progress (considering we the parents are just "learning coaches" and not "teachers"....we apparently don't have the same magical powers that brick and mortar teachers have to track our students progress on our own).

(sorry...I'm just beginning to resent so much govt control over my child's education....and yes I realize I could pull the kids out....I just needed to complain a little...lol)

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Yeah, we know why the test scores sometimes suck. And I would hope the CAVA knows why, too. Unfortunately, the people who decide if CAVA can renew it's charter either don't know or don't care. So CAVA is trying all this crappy desperate stuff to boost test scores.
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Yeah, we know why the test scores sometimes suck. And I would hope the CAVA knows why, too. Unfortunately, the people who decide if CAVA can renew it's charter either don't know or don't care. So CAVA is trying all this crappy desperate stuff to boost test scores.
Yep, I emailed the teacher back and told her what admin said and that we will not be doing the sessions.

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Hi! I mostly lurk, but, we just joined CAVA as of yesterday. I asked specifically about Elluminate and my teacher said it was only mandatory if your child was behind.

Question: Why is there no Teacher's Guide for Language Arts? Whenever I llok at the Student Book, it doesn't seem to have a flow, like how would I know to read Cinderella unless it was broken down for me? Unless I'm missing something?

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Your teacher's guides are online, with each lesson plan there is an overview you can follow for them.

You'll have to do an "Online Orientation" for k12 and that will cover it better - but basically the Language Arts curriculum for kindergarten at least, moves between the fairy tale book, assorted other books, and etc. per whatever the k12 goals are. Usually a language lesson has 3-4 lessons on each story you read. So you'd read it, then read it with more time for questions/discussions, then read it again with more reflection, then possibly act it out the fourth time (if you do all four lessons/story; we usually don't because Ina's got it; we combine them into two lessons usually).

Welcome to k12! And to our thread.

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Thanks. I found them. There are quite a few different sites with different info. Is it not weird that some subjects have guides and others don't? Anyway, thanks again?

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OK,

Wanted to run my new Music Lessons plan past you all.

We are supposed to be exploring the High/Low of Melodic Direction in music right now.

Of course none of the songs have anything to do with Christmas/winter.

I've decided that for music lessons from now 'til Christmas, we're going to do Christmas music. I've got a couple cds which are mostly instrumental, so we can even incorporate instrumental/classical at the end of each lesson. I'm going to follow the format that the lesson would have normally followed (3-4 songs with various activities to show hi/lo, followed by the classical or instrumental piece).....

We are still most behind in Music, which means that I'll be probably doing 1 lesson/day and through with that unit by the middle of next week; then I am supposed to look at loud/soft (5 lessons) and then long/short (5 lessons again I think). It will probably be more difficult for me to find songs which follow those profiles, but even if I'm only able to do the Christmas music for these next five lessons, that's more seasonal than what I've got right now.

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My thoghts and advice are just that you listen to whatever music you want and talk about whatever you want about it, and mark the lessons as done . That's what we did in our house!

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For Language Arts, through the 2nd grade the lessons are scripted online. do you have access to the online school yet? If not, it will get a lot more clear once you do. you just click on the lesson you're doing, and it will tell you what you're supposed to be teaching her. In fact, I'm not sure if there are any teacher guides in K - there are teacher guides for most subjects starting in grade 3, but all of the teacher guide info can also be found online as pdfs from within the lessons.
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I was wondering something, do you actually do the lessons online or just look at the materials list to see whats assigned for that week? Obviously for things like History you need to do it online but LA at least for 3rd grade has been pretty much totally offline so far. dd digs in her heels if she see's she's done more then 1 lesson but I only ask her to do an hour a day of work and if that means doing a couple extra lessons then so be it. It really helps when we don't do work for a week like this week when we were out of town and just to busy to worry about school plus the kids are so excited and bouncing off the walls at the hospital that there is no way I can get dd to do work (yes, my kids LOVE visiting the hospital, the appts themselves are boring but the rest of the time they have a blast playing with all the new toys and things to see)

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I was wondering something, do you actually do the lessons online or just look at the materials list to see whats assigned for that week?
Our DD is in K so I'm not sure if it's different. Lately though I've been looking at the materials list and objectives for the week and writing them down. I look through the lessons and make some notes if I think there is an activity that will interest DD. Then I go off of my notes. Our DD asks to do schoolwork at weird times and places so I toss these materials in a bag and we work out of it for the week. This gives us lots of flexibility and allows me to respond to those crazy times we'll be some place and she asks to do schoolwork.

This doesn't work with history, and only really works with math sheets which are review. Lately though I've added the unifex cubes and base ten blocks to the bag though as she has a tendency to push ahead.

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Hmm, at least here in WY, the Elluminate Sessions are simply during the teacher's biweekly phone call - she does one of the lessons for that day with Ina. This week it will be math. Two weeks ago, it was history.

I wonder how much is a k12 policy, and how much is an external mandate from a school district or state education board ....
I think much of it is on the state level. Mostly because what you are describing is foreign to me. We have a p/t phone conference once every two months so we've only had two this year. The last one in November our teacher asked DD to do an elluminate session with her. She asked DD to read some sentences with her, do a few math problems then the teacher read a story and she and DD discussed it. It was maybe 5 minutes tops. Then the teacher and I chatted a bit on the phone and setup our next conference for January. We only have four of these a year.

NishaG - welcome and I hope you all enjoy k12! Are you on the OLS yet? It's the central location for all lesson plans.
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We do a lot of work offline at this point. Bean is quiet while awake in the car under exactly two circumstances: If he has a book that's interesting to him, or if President Obama is on the radio. Pippi Longstocking was wonderful. It's not on the list, but his cousin lent him The Tale of Desperaux and I'll certainly count that toward his literature time until we get into the next novel (unless it's on the list... but I don't think it is ). Boobah is a bit more difficult, because she needs my full attention to do her work. I can't just toss her a book in the car, which is a bummer. We can work on math that way, though; She needs very little direction for that right now (I need to get myself in gear and have her moved to Math 1). I'd say that about 70% of Bean's work (3/4) is offline and about 90% of Boobah's (K) is, though. I'm always amazed by people who claim to spend more time online, I can't imagine what they're doing.

Exolax, I agree with you-- that's got to vary widely by VA. My kids each have a monthly conference with their teacher. Bean has an additional conference with the ALP teacher and an Elluminate once a week before he does his Scantron. That's supposed to be a review session for kids who didn't do well on the test Thursday or Friday or for other kids like Bean who are in a different math course from the one they're being tested for. I'm not sure how it's supposed to help a child who is a year or two behind in math, but for Bean it's been a great thing-- he finds it very encouraging, because the math is a year behind him it's very simple and he just flies through them. The Elluminate lets him know what the Scantron is going to cover, so he doesn't mind doing them. He's had a few reading Scantrons as well, but that's pretty much a joke as Bean hit the [artificially-set] ceiling for that performance test. He doesn't need to do the reading Elluminate at all, but he enjoys them more than the tests (which he finds "somewhat babyish" ).

For Boobah, it's just been the monthly conference. She's doing well, making good progress, and she's happy. She does an Elluminate once a week called "Monday Funday" which is completely optional-- the teacher reads a story to two classes of K and 1 students (it usually ends up being about 25 kids). She absolutely loves them, and we get to count the time so it gives me an extra 40-60 minutes of time to deal with the other kiddos (she doesn't always need someone with her, though she prefers that someone be there). Boobah also has face-to-face AIMSWeb Screenings (basic literacy/numeracy-- think DIBELS) three times a year. In fact, one of them is coming up soon. That's not a bid deal either, though-- unlike her brother, she does not need me to sit and hold her while she reads through. She's a lot easier to deal with, school-wise than Bean was in a lot of ways. The curriculum is a much better fit at the age-appropriate levels than it ever was for her brother. Of course that leaves me concerned about Bella, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

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Rynna, the reason we spend so much of our time at the computer for our lessons with K and 1st grade is because I prefer to just do what the lesson tells me to do so I don't have to think. Right now I'm in survival mode, just trying to get through my days. I'm bipolar, and unfortunately I'm in a rare period of rapid cycling so having the ability to just sit and read right off the screen has been a HUGE benefit to me. We have also had to institute a strict time-based schedule for me to avoid my spending all my time playing computer games, curled up in a ball on the sofa, or running around like mad cleaning to ensure that I get everything done that needs done. We *probably* are one of those families that the kids would be better off in public school, but I'm dedicated enough to this right now that I'm fighting myself with every bit of me to make it work out. I just have to keep fighting for a few more months, this is a normal winter thing for me and will ease up around March or so.

For us in our VA, the elluminate sessions aren't really required but highly encouraged at the grades I'm teaching. We've done a couple, and I'm going to get the girls doing the ones that our teacher has going this week also. She does one a week for math and one for reading for each grade, so they will have two sessions each this week (although they will both be in the K reading session together) We also do a phone conference every 6-8 weeks, I've had 3 conferences so far this year. The teacher is pretty relaxed, she is really good with not getting *too* involved in things and just providing the support that we need when I'm having trouble with something.

And I just have to say, I'm REALLY grateful for this support thread. With my bipolar, it really helps me to have the extra accountability that this has given me. It also is helping me to stay focused on doing lessons with the kids and staying consistent. Thanks to all of you for these discussions, it has done a lot for helping me this year.

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Cat, not to downplay your plight, but if nothing else, you should know some of us who aren't bipolar are also wasting time, hyperactively cleaning, or curled up somewhere doing nothing

Hey, does anyone know if the local district covers learning disability evaluating for homeschoolers and how to do this? I sent a note today to the teacher to ask her. We need to get my 8yo's eyes checked and most likely he needs glasses, but also, despite how well he reads (pretty fluid, not too choppy) and spells, he is jumbling some words and switching words around ("reading this sentence" might be seen by him as "sentence reading") and omitting or replacing some small words with others (like in for on).

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