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Yes, enki definitely has a learning curve when you first got started (or for the first few months!). But Enki does not advocate memorizing the stories. I don't think I'll make it otherwise. I have a hard enough time memorizing the circles and verses. I think it will help initially to do the free consultation with Beth sooner than later. We had our first call after I finished reading the guides and she helped me with a general plan. But like I said the conference calls and consultations with Beth (monthly for me) helps a lot.

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I don't understand the waldorf drawing, I struggle with the "copy me exactly" drawings,
The copying is just for the introduction of letters. The child is supposed to find the hidden letter within the picture (thats why they need to at least copy that part of the picture). Beth is big on letting the child embellish as much as they want. With the other drawing, sometimes I lead and sometimes dd#1 draws whatever image strikes a cord with her from the story.

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Does this happen with your gang: we really butt heads on this, with drawing. Sometimes she will draw what I do, and other times, she won't. She likes to find the letter in the picture, but herself has not done it. do you struggle with this, or do I need to rethink how I am approaching it?
Taking a week off is a great idea!
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The crafts, like I said, I like but couldn't follow them. I have several Waldorfy books, lots of teacher books and the INTERNET, which is more than sufficient in itself. So I wouldn't suggest getting the crafts book (my own opinion). But....the stories to go with painting, finger knitting, finger crocheting and knitting are good, so you'd miss out on those, but then again, you can either access similar stories elsewhere or make them up.
I LOVE Beth's take on development and it has made me so much more mindful of what my kids are doing/needing now.[QUOTE]

well put momma! we LOVE the stories..but have a hard time following some of the directions! : we agree with the philosophy and it has some wonderful things it brings to the table. it has seriously, taken us a year to fully implement everything:


i thought, i read we had to memorize the story somewhere?
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i thought, i read we had to memorize the story somewhere?
I think what I read is that you have to read it before you read it to the lo, so that you're telling it from the heart - but I don't recall reading anything about memorizing.
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Thanks for such a : rockin' thread: real-life LIFE instead of just an Enki or OM fan club that always leaves me feeling : lost as to why I don't "get" its perfection

just LOVING your fresh air

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Does this happen with your gang: we really butt heads on this, with drawing. Sometimes she will draw what I do, and other times, she won't. She likes to find the letter in the picture, but herself has not done it. do you struggle with this, or do I need to rethink how I am approaching it?
We hit this after First when my son suddenly decided he HATED drawing - lasted for 3 or 4 years. The Cause IMHO: drawing almost daily with OM 1st grade mixed with me (afraid to get too far "off-curriculum" back then)

Most Waldorf/holistic packaged curricula are that way - but REALLY folks, even some professional artists don't like to draw every day - nobody should have to. I mean, it's tedious even every other day.

Do try drawing together - like taking turns - you the head, her the hair, you the body, her the legs, etc...just sometimes

Model letters, trace them in dirt, eurythmy, yes, but then don't ALWAYS finish with "drawing in the main lesson book"

Do paste-ups of flower petals , paint, collage, etc if you MUST have main lesson book work daily...

...but again I ask why daily? :

After 8 years of this I can only see that learning is supposed to take place on the inside - and the only reason I can find for really elaborate books is so the schools can show them to the parents - and as busy work to fill time!

Sure, if the kid LIKES to draw let them do it daily - but for the rest of us, tell me why???? learning has to be ground into the dirt with so much drawing!

OK, I'll step off my box now!

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soooo....I have Melisa Neilson's A Little Garden Flower First Grade. Curve-ball!
I'd be curious to hear what you think of it. :

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Could you say where ? I'm interested in exploring but not spending too much $$$$ until I've dipped my toe in.....

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i've seen so much of the material elsewhere though and for alot cheaper. .....

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we don't follow anything to a t. some days, instead of main lesson book coloring we notebook..someone in our house has waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much scrapbooking materials and the kids really enjoy it. it's just another creative outlet for them. i've found that there is something i like from a majority of the different types of homeschooling...classical..waldorf..montessori...e tc. it's hard to fit into one style when there are soooo many awesome ways to approach education!
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Could you say where ? I'm interested in exploring but not spending too much $$$$ until I've dipped my toe in.....
folk and fairy tales;
there is a thread with several links of the fairy and folk tales on this forum. check those out. the one link has a variety of free ebooks and there are books that the well trained mind uses.

movement verses;
there are so many free links on the internet. the enki does the best job i have seen at going into a movement circle and i will give them that credit. the fingerplays and movement verses were ones that i had in several of my early childhood education books already. the waldorf book seven times the sun that are library had was chock full of transistion verses and circle songs also.

handwork;
the arts and crafts forum on this board has alot of them and then several different waldorf sites have them also.

our library was a huge source for alot of books. we even have the elsa beskow books! toymaking with children has been a HUGE help!

when i get a moment, i will post a week's worth of homeschooling holistically using sources you can find free online....this should be fun
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movement circle (do each repetition 3x);

sally go round the sun
http://www.head-start.lane.or.us/edu...nd%20the%20Sun

sailor boy
(can't find the link at the moment)

midline activities;
kookaburra
http://kids.niehs.nih.gov/lyrics/kookaburra.htm

grand old duke of york
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_old_Duke_of_York

fingerplays and counting verses (choose a few and do 3x repititions each);
http://www.preschoolrainbow.org/preschool-rhymes.htm

transistion verses(use these to transistion to storytime and other activities);
http://www.preschoolrainbow.org/transition-rhymes.htm

more fun songs;
http://www.theteachersguide.com/ChildrensSongs.htm


link for thread loaded with websites with free multi-cultural fairy and folk tales;
http://www.mothering.com/discussions...60#post9561560
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crafts;
wee felt folk
http://www.hgtv.com/hgtv/cr_dolls/ar...334417,00.html

finger knitting
http://www.kidscanmakeit.com/AC0023.htm

soap felting
http://www.mielkesfarm.com/felt_soap.htm

about wet on wet watercolor painting
http://www.thewaldorfschool.org/home...nt.asp?id=2562

fairy dolls
http://simmy.typepad.com/echoesofadr..._make_a_f.html

felt balls
http://www.stringpage.com/felt/felt.html

ribbon streamer
http://crafts.kaboose.com/patrioticr...ancealong.html

stacking tic tac toe
http://crafts.kaboose.com/stacking-tic-tac-toe.html

melted crayon stain glass window
http://crafts.kaboose.com/melted-cra...ss-window.html

fall leaf print
http://crafts.kaboose.com/fall-leaf-print.html

fairy tale puppets
http://www.crochetme.com/Aug_Sept_20...r_puppets.html

http://www.craftyarncouncil.com/proj...chproject.html


nature table info and some pretty cheap wood items;
http://www.naturetables.com/

i'll post more arts and crafts if anyone wants. i have TONS of links and ideas. we come up with our own alot. we're pretty creative over here and alot of our homeschooling is arts and crafts centered.
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Lucie, you are SO right about not doing it every day, and allowing learning to happen "on the inside." DD1 will so amazing things if I don't force her, but will it always be just what the curriculum wants? No, not always, but it's a constant reminder to me that the curriculum is not most important, she is.
The comment about the main lesson book got me, girl. That's what it is, is show. Same with notebooking, lapbooking, scrapbooking, whatever. It's the end project to learning, but the process is what counts. Here's a question: do you think, then, that that waldorf/enki die-hards "teach to the MLB?" You know, like PS teachers ahve to teach to the test (been there, done that, stinks like charred gnome socks), so do W/E folks do the same with that MLB? Or, perhaps more like the darn bulletin boards and wall art that teachers have to do? You know what I'm talking about: There are boards in the halls and in the classroom with student work. Teahers PLAN lessons FOR THAT SPACE. That drove me INSANE when i taught! The audacity -- the nerve! sorry......
So, back to the MLB. I think it sounds like a pretty portfolio. My Enki stuff says that you can paste things in there....if you HAVE to. I am thinking that pictures would work, so then it becomes a scrapbook. But then, I love the idea of lapbooks, with all the little fun interactive things! With the alphabet and dreamy, romantic drawings-which-are-to-look-just-like-mine(oh dear), I think that's more like making a book, a book which should be put in the family library and enjoyed by all. Thoughts? Same for numbers and whatever. But I would like to not have her copy me, or at least copy me all the time.
. . . ramble ramble ramble..... i love this thread. i felt like i was a reject and now i've found my peoples!

Mrs. Lake Superior (how doth your crown shine!), you are insane, with all those links! You have loyal house elves! (LOL) You found Toymaking to be helpful? I am not adept at following the directions. What have you made in there? I have some wool stuff (don't know what I'm looking at) that I'd like to make things with, and I'd love to hear how you're using the book -- a good kick in the pants is what I need. The festival I blogged about tells all...sans pictures (darn computer)...

OT: how are you doing? And when are you coming down south? HEE HEE!
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I am eagerly awaiting my parcel!
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I am eagerly awaiting my parcel!
yo yo yo you're peoples are down with the g...g for gnomes!! my super elves wer in high power searching out the linkies for me.we're interested in picking up a few more sprites also! i've made gnomes....perhaps one jumped in a parcel headed you're way?? i've made a waldorf doll, dollhouse dolls,beanbags, crochet food, crochet blankies, playstands...i'd like to get a scroll saw and make some people and animals ala ostheimer copycating!


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WOW! We already do these things in our circle time, which I do with the kids to do their OT stuff. Of course, Ramona hates circle time and asked me to completely re-arrange it, which I will, but I will still make use of these elements!

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WOW! We already do these things in our circle time, which I do with the kids to do their OT stuff. Of course, Ramona hates circle time and asked me to completely re-arrange it, which I will, but I will still make use of these elements!

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there are so many different ones you can use if she hates it. i was just picking some we like. here is a linky to the enki movement lists that gives you an idea of what they use in the kindy http://www.enkieducation.org/html/ma...a-fulllist.pdf
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Thanks! She doesn't actually hate the activities, she just hates "circle time." I have found that if I just spontaneously sing one of the songs during the day, she jumps right in to participate.

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we were going through that with one of my little ones and we changed it up...i was also enormously pregnant and have you ever tried to do some of thos activities preggers??....we would do a morning walk and sing the songs and do some of the activities. if we are out having a picnic and there is enough room we do some leaf twirling and similar activities. we haven't gotten the transistions down to a t, but i really like the owl verse...gotta find a linky for that one.

llp34-are these at all helpful or should i just quit posting them? let me know when you get a chance.

if anyone else has anything to add that would be awesome.
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don't quit posting please

I want to start this, I just don't know how or where.

nothing more to say I guess :
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don't quit posting please

I want to start this, I just don't know how or where.
okay. i was feeling like a dodo a little bit wondering if anyone was really interested or not. for us, we started with a rhythm and there are 6 of us so it wasn't something i could just let "evolve" or it would be chaos here!
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How did the doll-making go? Did you use a kit, or did you gather everything on your own and use Toymaking with Children as the guide? Do you knit? have you taught your kiddies that yet?
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How did the doll-making go? Did you use a kit, or did you gather everything on your own and use Toymaking with Children as the guide? Do you knit? have you taught your kiddies that yet?
i used cotton knit in flesh and brown and directions from here http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=114071 and the toymaking book. i used wool batting from dancing rain dolls. i can't knit and am too : to figure it out!! i can crochet and that is what my kids are going to learn...who needs to knit anyway!
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who needs to knit anyway!
*gasp*

As a knitter, I just can't believe anyone could feel that way!



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*gasp*

As a knitter, I just can't believe anyone could feel that way!



i actually, desperatley want to knit! i was able to knit when i was younger, but have somehow developed knittingitis as an adult! i have been trying to learn since last fall...i just don't remember how and all these little instructions books and online tutorials i've taken aren't doing it for me.there is a woman in town who teaches knitting for $10 an hour and my friend has been taking classes since last fall...she still can't knit! : any advice?
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ha ha ha !! I just taught myself to knit the other night. I can't get the stupid thread to stay on the stupid crochet hook. grrr.....so, i'm knitting.
I'm going to check out the thread you listed. i want to make a doll for Henry for Christmas, and then one for each of the girls at their birthdays. Is the book your main source for all the things you've made?
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ha ha ha !! I just taught myself to knit the other night. I can't get the stupid thread to stay on the stupid crochet hook. grrr.....so, i'm knitting.
I'm going to check out the thread you listed. i want to make a doll for Henry for Christmas, and then one for each of the girls at their birthdays. Is the book your main source for all the things you've made?
1/2 and 1/2. i find alot of ideas here on mds in the toymaking section. i'm making a felt chicka chicka boom boom tree board for my ds3 to play with in school tom....he's been driving us all nuts lately!
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I taught myself to crochet from The Happy Hooker, the Stitch 'n Bitch lady's book for crocheters. I am not a visual learner in terms of looking at a picture and being able to do something, but I found her book extremely easy to learn from. Maybe a Stitch 'n Bitch book would help with learning to knit?

Btw, my dh heard that knitters and crocheters have a supposed enmity and, in the interest of harmony, created a knitting/crochet hybrid that he calls "crochitting."

Btw, LSM, how did you even know what kind of nifty crafts to look for?? I'm in awe of your knowledge.

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ha ha ha !! I just taught myself to knit the other night. I can't get the stupid thread to stay on the stupid crochet hook. grrr.....so, i'm knitting.
I'm going to check out the thread you listed. i want to make a doll for Henry for Christmas, and then one for each of the girls at their birthdays. Is the book your main source for all the things you've made?
on your knitting what is wrong with me that i can't figure out knitting...i'm tempted to go get my needles...i've got a babe attached to my boob at the moment so i am going nowhere!!
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on your knitting what is wrong with me that i can't figure out knitting...i'm tempted to go get my needles...i've got a babe attached to my boob at the moment so i am going nowhere!!
LOL!!! maybe my fingers got used to knitting, and they are as stubborn as the rest of me, and won't learn crochet. But i wish they would, because I have a billion different hooks of different sizes from my Mema.

How long did it take you to do the doll? Did the kids help you?

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Maybe a Stitch 'n Bitch book would help with learning to knit?
I learned to knit from this book! Er, after *several* attempts...but hey, it worked. Although I haven't gotten any farther than a scarf at this point.

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