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#1 of 53 Old 01-17-2008, 02:39 PM - Thread Starter
 
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Recently I met another homeschooling mom with three kids adopted from Ethiopia. We emailed back and forth and met up at a few functions, and we made plans to get our kids together.

All of a sudden I stopped hearing from her, and I wasn't sure why. I asked a mutual friend of ours about it.

It turns out, my kids are a bad influence! It's not that we're Buddhist (they are conservative Christian); it's not that we're vegetarians (they raise hogs and chickens for a living); it's not that we have a kid with HIV. Nope, the reason that we are now considered unacceptable companions is ...

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... we read Harry Potter!



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I'm sorry, it's not funny.

Just.....
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OH good lands...really you are better off if someone is going to dissallow spending time with your family over a fiction book.

I had a 'friend' dump me because she saw I was reading a book on palmistry, she even went so far as to say she expected to see black smoke coming up through her floor (I lived below her) from my witchcraft . Uhhu oooooooooookay.

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Wow. I don't know whether to laugh or... something else....

Well, I suppose that it's better that you found out now, before your kiddos got a chance to develop an strong relationship with them only to have it abruptly removed.



ETA: It's a good thing she doesn't know my boys!! They are total HP fiends, with their own capes and wands. In fact, my very conservative, strongly Christian mom made the capes for them, and bought the wands for Christmas! She also got them a Lego Hogwart's Castle.

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I've lost "friends" like that also. As soon as some people hear we don't use a prepackaged Christian curriculum we are the heathens they don't want around their kids. I figure it is their loss.

I've heard that I'm evil for reading Harry Potter as well. I think it's funny that some people get so up in arms about a book like Harry Potter.


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gee, to me, that is sooo weird ! Better to laugh about it !

(I read the first two Harry Potter books to my kids a few weeks ago - they're clamoring for more, but I'm afraid book 3 is too scary ... they're only 7.5 and 5.5 yo, after all...)
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I'm sorry, it's not funny.
Yes it is! It's hysterical!!

It's actually kind-of exciting to be that dangerous, kwim?

We have the power to undermine the morals of pious children the world over! Fear us, o devout ones, for we will singlehandedly (or 10-handedly, maybe?) pull down the pillars of your moral values!

Who knows what else we are capable of? This opens up a whole new world of possibilities ...

Actually, I do feel a teeny bit bad. This is, after all, one of those completely ridiculous things that give Christians a bad name.

But I find it way more amusing than sad.

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Wow. :eyeroll

ETA: Too funny dm!
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Ugh! I have run into this recently. My dd is in a book club. The mothers in this club are so ridiculous. Nothing with fantasy, nothing with magic, nothing with death, nothing with mistreatment of animals. Harry Potter bad. I am a committed and active Christian, but I just don't get how you can't teach your kids that its FICTION and that you can't really find a magic street in England to buy wands and owls and that you can't conjure up three headed giant watchdogs. I just bought the entire HP series so my ten year olds can start reading it this summer (dh runs a books store and had a big employee discount day so I got the box set for dirt cheap-YIPEE!) Anyway dd is ready to quit because EVERYTHING she likes to read is on the bad list of someone and we are stuck with the Borrowers series so far (which I never liked as a kids so I sympathize with her). Somehow I managed to read Stephen King and dragon/fantasy/magic books and believed in Santa till I was seven, but still believe in Jesus and didn't succumb to being a witch. The witch thing even makes me nuts because HP has absolutely little in common with a true Wiccan faith anyway. I have a cousin who is evangelical C and she too thinks I am making a huge mistake allowing my children to have hindu, muslim and wiccan families as friends. I live in a very diverse, high immigrant area and she is in white midwest. I can't imagine how I would even restrict them that much if I wanted too.
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So funny!!!

I've lost a friend in the past year, and while I don't know the exact reason she stopped calling, I suspect it's because I had Halloween costumes hanging in my front closet and I actually -- gasp -- hung her coat RIGHT NEXT TO THEM.

She's a nice lady, but the truth is the friendship wouldn't last. Her kids told my kids there is no Santa Claus .... hhhmmmmmphffff!!!!
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seriously? That's her measuring stick for friendship? Wow. Just......wow.

Well your kids are better off without THAT kind of influence on their lives.
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dm, this recently happened to us. It was so alarming to me. The mom said she didn't like that her dd wanted to "make potions" when she came home from our house

Ds, 7, loves to mix vinegar and baking soda with food coloring and the girls were palying with him, making "potions". She didn't even apologize when I explained it to her. Apparently she was afraid her dd was going to turn her into a toad

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Wow, that is pretty funny. I just don't understand some people. We just returned to homeschooling this week. I had a very hard time making friends when my oldest was really young and we were homeschooling. It seemed like everyone was so picky. I hope it's easier this time around. I just want to have friends, I could care less what their religious choices are or anything else for that matter.

My kids have been in school so we've seen a lot of stuff out there. That's what really makes it funny. These type of homeschoolers give homeschooling a bad wrap. A lot of people think homeschoolers are very closed off from the world anyway as it is.

How better to learn about the world around you than to have friends with different likes/dislikes, different cultures, etc. That's what helps you keep your mind open to new things that might roll around.

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Somehow I managed to read Stephen King and dragon/fantasy/magic books and believed in Santa till I was seven, but still believe in Jesus and didn't succumb to being a witch.
Oh, so that's what happened to me (actually, Stephen King is very much based on the Christian ideas of good/evil, etc, I can't read him or Dean Koontz anymore)
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jeez.

several in our homeschool group wont speak to me because i said something once about halloween.
they have no idea i'm Pagan
if only they knew *evil laugh*

so what's the deal with harry potter? why do so many people freak out about it?

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laughup Of all the things to take issue with. Ah well, that's their loss.
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jeez.

so what's the deal with harry potter? why do so many people freak out about it?
From what I've been told it promotes witchcraft which goes against the teachings of the bible. I really , it's fiction! My kids aren't any more likely to become wiccan now then they were before the read them.
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I am Christain (probably of the strongly variety that pp said) I love HP and I think it is silly how some of the other Christians are about it. Obviously it is fine to not like HP or want your children to watch/read it, but using it as a moral stance to not play with someone else.... WHAT?

It is about the fact that they consider it promoting witchcraft and more specifically promoting it to children. Personally I would not take my kids to see the movie as young as some that I saw in the theater, but that is my own opinion. I think it is more appropriate for older kids like 10ys or so, but my kids will be allowed to read/watch HP.

My argument for these people is that they would have to get rid of everything that promoted witchcraft if they are going to make that claim ie: Lord of the Rings, the wizard of Oz, several Disney type Movies: Sword in the stone, Sleeping Beauty, Snow White, the list can go on and on. Most of them enjoy several of these other movies and had not thought of it in that light before. Most of them had read a conservative christain artical against HP and ran with it. When faced with the idea that there is more out there with similar "issues" in it that they have already been watching with no ill effects, they realize that it is all very dumb to be that against HP.

It does make Christains look silly when they pick up lame battles to fight like these. I hate it when that happens....it is just like when some Hser does something that sticks out like a sore thumb and makes everyone think that is how all Hsers are.

Our children are not stupid....just tell them the truth! As pp said, there is no magic vending Diagon Alley in London...harry potter is a story/fiction/not real ect.
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you can't really find a magic street in England to buy wands and owls and that you can't conjure up three headed giant watchdogs.
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mongoose, i agree! we are strong christians as well...and our faith is very important to us. but..... we like the harry potter movies, and one of my favorite movies right now is stardust. my dd makes concoctions mixing everything she can find together....and honestly i'd be alarmed if someone frowned upon her enjoyment in this & claimed it was witchcraft. how absurd. we also dress up and ....gasp....go trick or treating in our neighborhood....and what's worse.....we pretend santa claus is real and fireflys are fairies! imo, it's fantasy and imagination that we enjoy, and i don't see harry potter as endorsing anything but just that....fantasy and imagination.

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dm, this recently happened to us. It was so alarming to me. The mom said she didn't like that her dd wanted to "make potions" when she came home from our house

Ds, 7, loves to mix vinegar and baking soda with food coloring and the girls were palying with him, making "potions". She didn't even apologize when I explained it to her. Apparently she was afraid her dd was going to turn her into a toad
How cute of your DS! I'll have to suggest that to my own DS -- I bet he'd love it!

My thought at reading the OP was, "Oh geez!" I'm Christian too, but think its just plain silly how some Christians are acting about HP.
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It's actually kind-of exciting to be that dangerous, kwim?

We have the power to undermine the morals of pious children the world over! Fear us, o devout ones, for we will singlehandedly (or 10-handedly, maybe?) pull down the pillars of your moral values!

Who knows what else we are capable of? This opens up a whole new world of possibilities ...

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From what I've been told it promotes witchcraft which goes against the teachings of the bible. I really , it's fiction! My kids aren't any more likely to become wiccan now then they were before the read them.
Yeah.. sorta like my aunts church back int he 80s taught that the SMURFS were satanic I'd insert a BIGGER eyeroll but alas there isn't one large enough to convey how idiotic I think it all is

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Oh mama, I'm sorry. I've had similiar experiences as a lesbian with two children conceived through anonymous donor insemination who were then adopted by my partner, an aetheist, an unschooler, a socialist, a home-birther, and a HUGE Harry Potter fan living in TEXAS!! People think I'm very nice until they learn usually two of the above (or just the first) and then the reaction to me is
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Oh my goodness! That's funny. . . and sad.
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Oh isn't that the funniest and oddest thing? Dd met some girls last summer that were forbidden to even talk about Harry Potter or "songs that mention kissing". They were 13. Honestly, though it was odd to my Dd she wouldn't have been rude to them about it...but they were just so preachy. Blech.

And of course the whole time they were telling Dd about how Harry Potter is satanic, and witchraft is dangerous for children and families. Dd has grown up with a Pagan/Buddhist mother, and is exploring her own Pagan path. So strange what we run into.

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My favorite response to the Harry Potter reactions (not mine, just overheard):

Do you think Rabbits can talk?
No, well Peter the rabbit didn't warp you for life, these books won't either!
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Very Strange.

My SIL banned Harry Potter for her kids but let them watch the Lord of the Rings movies, I didn't understand that.
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I've never understood why magic is good in some books (LOR, Narnia) and not in others (HP). I did find this http://www.onetruthministries.com/po...lord_rings.htm which attempts to explain it, but I really still don't get it. I guess it's because Harry didn't get corrupted by magic?
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How cute of your DS! I'll have to suggest that to my own DS -- I bet he'd love it!

My thought at reading the OP was, "Oh geez!" I'm Christian too, but think its just plain silly how some Christians are acting about HP.
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They love doing the mixing. Honestly, the HP obsession has been pretty strong since the release of the last book in July, then the movie in the fall. Dd has rearead the series at least *3* times since then. She's also read many other things tho too. This little girl never indicated she didn't like HP, she just didn't read as much as dd. I feel better about it now, but it hurt for awhile.

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