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#1 of 27 Old 07-13-2007, 07:25 PM - Thread Starter
 
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Ok, so I took my son for his 2 month visit today. And I proceeded to decline the immunizations. I explained that we were delaying the vaccinations. This is the response I got...

"Well then, I can no longer have your son as my patient. I don't allow my patients to decline vaccinations and I don't know any pediatricians that allow this practice. I, for one, would feel bad WHEN your son dies from whooping cough or HIB."

Then she proceeds to lecture me about everything that could happen to Nathan if I refused the vaccines and stated that I would be receiving a letter in the mail confirming the termination of our doctor/ patient relationship. Needless to say I am extremely upset. As we were leaving she stated "Good luck, I hope that your son stays healthy so you don't have to live with the guilt."

So, I am wondering if anyone knows of a pediatrician in the Indianapolis area who supports delaying vax. Thanks in advance for your help.

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I'm sorry you got whomped on today.

As I'm not in Indianapolis I don't have any pediatrician recommendation but have you considered seeing a family or general practice doctor instead of a pediatrician. IME they are *far* less likely to hassle parents over vaccines. They seem to think their job is to help sick people instead learning where a child sleeps and how much TV they watch each week.

If you have your heart set on a pediatrician, I recommend asking local chiropractors and checking out your local Couple to Couple League. They most probably have many members refusing all aborted fetal tissue based vaccines who might have good leads for accommodating pediatricians AND might know doctors in their parishes who, in accordance with Roman Catholic doctrine, honor decisions made from one's own sense of moral conscience.

I wish you well finding a far more respectful doctor.

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Great ideas, Bryony! CCL would be a great place to look. I might also suggest your local LLL meeting...either before they start officially or after they close the meeting, though, so you don't get the leader in "trouble!"

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Mandie, I can't remember where you live, but I know there are good options in this city. I know several ladies on the board have used a ped on the southside, but I'd have to do some digging to get you a name.

There's Kristen Gwollnick in Fishers who I *think* is delay-friendly.

We use a family doctor, Young K. Park, who is an osteopathic physician on the west side, with Westview Hospital. He's been our whole family's doc for almost 3 years and has never given me any difficulty about no/delay vaxing. Whingari has been going to him since her newborn check up and he's always respected my stand of no/delay. I have her 6 mo (7 really) check up next week and intend to continue to delay (until at least 3yrs...). Should he object at all, I'll post, but I don't expect him to.

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good for you for standing up for your sweet little boy! and seriously, that ped was WAY out of line. one thing i like to remember is that motherhood is often about bringing out the fierce woman within that the society likes to pretend does not exist.

i actually just took my children off of the hoosier healthwise program due to this problem; i can't find a ped for them that is anything more than a judgmental, self-righteous control freak.

what are you looking for in a ped, mandie? someone you actually want advice from? someone to know 'just in case' Nathan gets really ill or hurt?

and yeah, what side of town are you guys? if you'd like to talk about how to stand up to these punks at the next local meeting, just say so.
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I used to live in Indy near the central east side and used Dr. Mishelle Stookey ...she is out of community east, and delivers baby's, is bf'ing friendly etc.
(she is a family practice doc though..._

I would have ripped that doctor a new one right to her face..I have an autistic son (who was IRNOCICALLY overly immunized as a toddler!!) so ANYONE using scare tactics with me when it comes to immunizations can pretty much kiss my rear end, (to put it VERY nicely! )enough said!!
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Thanks a lot for all your support! I really appreciate it! I live on the westside near plainfield. I never really thought about trying to find a family doc! That is a great idea!

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what are you looking for in a ped, mandie? someone you actually want advice from? someone to know 'just in case' Nathan gets really ill or hurt?
I just want someone that will respect my choices and to be there in case he is sick. I really won't be using the doc for any advice because I tend to follow my instincts. I tried to explain that I was just trying to do what I thought was right to the pedi but I don't think she has ever had to deal with a mama standing up to her like that.

Anyhoo, thanks a lot everyone! I am off to start my search.

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Thanks a lot for all your support! I really appreciate it! I live on the westside near plainfield. I never really thought about trying to find a family doc! That is a great idea!



I just want someone that will respect my choices and to be there in case he is sick. I really won't be using the doc for any advice because I tend to follow my instincts. I tried to explain that I was just trying to do what I thought was right to the pedi but I don't think she has ever had to deal with a mama standing up to her like that.

Anyhoo, thanks a lot everyone! I am off to start my search.

Could I try to talk you into reconsidering well baby visits on the whole? It seems in my mind that those things are ABOUT vaccinating babies. I also believe that submitting our children to other people for evaluation is a factor in setting them up for a lifetime of looking outside of themselves to determine whether or not they are 'OK'. But I digress....

anyway, best of luck! I don't know if you can afford him, but I hear wonderful things again and again about Dr. Park on the west side. Other mamas here have his info.

I think it's really important to find those rare people who DO understand that *WE* are the mothers, or find nobody outside of ourselves at all! I also know a DC in danville who is a wonderful man, and anti-vaccine. if you're into chiropractic care, he's a great guy to know. if you're interested, PM me.
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So sorry that happened to you! What a crock of bull they were trying to feed you! Good for you for standing up though. I'm with Q about those well-baby visits. They're nothing more than germ-exposure and vaccine pushing guised as "care". Oh and they can check their weight, too. Whoopee! I *had* a good Ped., on Hoosier Healthwise even, but he is no longer accepting it. I was defaulted to whatever new ped. and haven't ever gone. If I must, I'll pay out of pocket for our family doc. TO stay on Hoosier Healthwise, we have to keep Dr. Whoever as our "referring pediatrician in case of emergencies" *insert eye rolling smilie thta I don't know how to make*

Grab yourself a nice copy of "Raising Your Children In Spite Of Your Doctor" (did I get the title right? It's by Robert Mehndelson, which I probably spelled wrong!).
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Grab yourself a nice copy of "Raising Your Children In Spite Of Your Doctor" (did I get the title right? It's by Robert Mehndelson, which I probably spelled wrong!).
It's "How to Raise a Healthy Child in Spite of Your Doctor" but I'm darn impressed you got his last name right!! I can never spell it. Stephanie Cave's book is good, too. "What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Children's Vaccinations" I think it's called.

Honestly, I haven't been able to find a ped who's supportive of my no-vax decision, just those who'll tolerate it. Now our ped urologist is a gem - I want him to move in with us!!

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We had Whinnie's 6month check up today (ok, she's 7 months, these things are relative... ). Dr. Park didn't even ask about vaxing. He just proclaimed her completely healthy and said he'd like to see her again at 1 year, in December. He was VERY respectful of the fact that Whinnie does not let anyone touch her these days. He checked her ears out while she nursed (I think she had goop in her ears over the weekend) and he checked her eyes/nose as best he could without touching her or freaking her out.

Before I met Dr. Park, I was much in the mindset of MamaQ, I just avoided well-baby visits when I could. But Dr. Park is different. As an osteopath he's devoted to the overall balance and well-being of the person. He does cranial-sacral adjustments at each visit (though not today on the 'do not touch me Whingari'). I see him as my partner in my family's health.

Plus he NEVER asks questions about what I consider to be parenting issues, like co-sleeping and such. He's very pro-breastfeeding, he's midwife-friendly, he's just wonderful.

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So sorry to hear that you were treated this way. Just to encourage you...keep firm.
I have a nephew who is autistic due to vac.'s

All of my children are now older, sadly they were vaxed, but I was not informed way back then....If I could do it all over again...they would not be vaxed.

Keep firm with your decision...
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What a horrible experience! Good for you for standing up and advocating for your family, that is so hard to do sometimes. As someone else said, Dr. Gollnick in Fishers (around 96th and Lantern) is non vax and delay friendly. She was super helpful after my homebirth and is fine with delaying vax or breaking them up and extended BF friendly. Hope you find someone that works for you! Sara
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I'm not a fan of WBV as a whole, which it is why it is a service I have provided to some families... but...

Apparently there is a fabulous ped in Lebanon. I don't know that she is any closer than Fishers for you... I'll have to dig up her name... shoot I'll have to look for it later and edit my post or maybe someone else will pop in with it.

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I second (third? fourth? ) Dr. Park. After going through a long string of pediatricians, I found that Dr. Park is a perfect fit for our family needs. The only drawback to Dr. Park is that it's pretty much a sure fire thing that you'll be waiting 30-60 minutes *after* your scheduled time to see him. I know, though, that it's because he spends as much time with his patients as they need. My DS is almost 20 months and he is very supportive of our continuing breastfeeding relationship and NEVER asks me about vaxing. We Dr. Park.
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Try for 7:30 am or 1pm appts -- we rarely have a wait that way. If they 'fit you in' for something, expect to wait a long time...

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another Dr Park momma here - took my 6 yr old for a sick visit and made appt for everyone's well - "just to have record" - g*d forbid anyone call CPS on me - for some odd reason they want to see doctor records - so this way I have something - LOL.....

we have not had a well visit for by baby in 8 months (she is 9), my 2 yr old has not had a WBV since he was - um, um, um....um.....2 weeks old but he has a urologist so I guess we have had follow ups with him so that counts, my 4 yr old has a BWV at um, um, um, I am thinking 2 yr old - so we are due for one......just for the record -
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For anyone on the far southside/Greenwood area (or anyone willing to drive a bit) I really like Sheryl King. I don't have her contact info, but I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to find.

She was our ped here in Bloomington but she recently left the large Southern Indiana Pediatrics group and moved her practice to the Bargersville/Center Grove area. She's great- was very supportive of extended nursing, didn't balk when we decided not to vaccinate or homebirth and is just generally pretty laid-back.

Like others, even though we aren't vaccinating right now, we still do the well-baby visits as simply a way of covering ourselves if ever needed. My ds was *exceptionally* small and off the charts in both weight and height (seriously, the kid is just about to turn three years old and is all of 21 pounds!) I was concerned that not going to WBVs could potentially open ourselves to charges of medical neglect considering how small he is, that we don't vaccinate, homebirth, etc. Any other doctor we could have seen would have surely diagnosed ds as failure to thrive, but Dr. King was really mellow and not as reactionary as other doctors that we saw (who wanted him to see specialists at Riley for a bunch of testing). Dr. King really didn't think that any of that was necessary at all.
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Not to get off subject, but we are moving to IN., from MI., and don't vax. What are the vax rights (laws) for school age children? Do I really need to worry about CPS over no-vaxing or not going to the Dr's?:
Noone will ever make me put poison in to my child, I don't care what they call it!
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My two youngest kids aren't vaxed and were in public school for two years. I simply had to write a note that for "religious" reasons we chose not to vax.
It was that simple. We live in Hendricks County. I couldn't believe how easy it was. I wish I knew where to direct you to find out specifically.
We have always been a homeschooling family but they wanted to try school so we let them. I was very concerned about the vax issue too.
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Try for 7:30 am or 1pm appts -- we rarely have a wait that way. If they 'fit you in' for something, expect to wait a long time...

Good to know about the 1pm appts...I *generally* try to shoot for 7:30am, too. Sometimes it just doesn't work out that way.
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i took my baby to the lady in lebanon - OMG - loved loved loved her!!!!!!!!!

is Lebanon too far from you...i think it is worth the drive just to be treated with respect for the INFORMED choices we have made for our family!!!!!!

peds are not use to free thinkers - they dont teach about that in college!!!!!
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I see Dr. Harbor in Lebanon...is she who you guys are talking about? I lover her. I just told her today at our 6 mth WBV that we wouldn't be vaxing today and she didn't hastle me over it. So far we're just researching and delaying. We wouldn't do the WBV but dd has some other health issues that need monitoring. If Dr. Harbor ever insists on vaxing I'll check out the Dr. Park that you ladies are recomending....
Just wanted to give my 2 cents on dr. Harbor...she really is great and listens to you and makes you feel comfortable.
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her own daughter does not vax. doubt she will preassure you. she rocks - she assumed I homeschool too because of my parenting choices - to her it came hand in hand.....

anyway - talking about my son's lack of attention...she suggested flaxseed oil before saying that if it did not work a diet modification could take place and LAST some meds....unfortunately she did say she sees better results with the meds...LOL.....but she did suggest all the other stuff first :
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She is the best doctor in the world. Anyone who knows me has heard me rave about her at some point. We don't vax and she's never put pressure on us to, and she was fine with me using a midwife for my pregnancy care, never tried to talk me out of it. She is a family doctor, not just a ped. Here's her office info:

Northside Family Care
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The rest of the ladies are nice, and pretty open-minded. Its a great office.
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Dr. Harbor's daughter doesn't vax? I have only been going to her for a couple months so I don't know her that well and we've never discussed vaxing she's just asked if we will be doing it...good that she has someone close not vaxing so she knows we're not crazy....
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Thanks for all the help ladies!!! I really appreciate it!! I will let you know who we choose!

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