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Of course, if I really wanted to vote with my gut, I'd vote for Kucinich. But he's not electable (though he should be).
I feel exactly. the same. way.
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I'm in complete agreement with you, despite my big ol crush on Obama. I think Edwards it my dream candidate, as he is the only one to speak sincerely about the class divide. But I do think that Obama is a better candidate for the whole country right now, in terms of unifying. DH and I have had a lot of talks about how excited we are about Obama, but the reality is that I suspect I'll be surprised by him as a President - he seems much more interested in finding common ground than fighting based on principles, much like Lincoln on holding the union together. I suspect I'll feel a little betrayed by things he would compromise on.
What about Kuchinich (SP?) ?? Is he still a Democrat? I always thought that was weird.

What's the feeling in the US right now? Is it still anyones game in the Dems? The media I am seeing has me convinced that Rodham-Clinton has it all wrapped up - would you say that was accurate? We're hearing (in the mainstream media) very little about Edwards (is it his wife who has cancer?) and we only hear about Obama because of the novelty factor which is pretty gross.

hmmm...finding US politics far more interesting than Australian right now: ...perhaps it's because I don't have to do any work around the US election??

In other news...guess who just got diagnosed with hypothyroidism?? : It's not too serious but would explain a hell of a lot of little things that I never bother to whine about (I thought everyone who worked was this tired!) I should be able to fix it with some more iodine and selenium in my diet. I have found the most amazing health practice after a life time of hating my GP's. The GP's in this practice are both homeopaths as well and treat everything nutritionally before trying anything else! And there are also TCM practitioners and osteopaths and naturopaths in the clinic too....it's just fantastic.

The down side of the hypothyroidism is that it can impact on fertility but I'm glad I discovered it at the beginning of this journey and not 12 months in...

I guess I should put my shoes on and go to work

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Of course, if I really wanted to vote with my gut, I'd vote for Kucinich. But he's not electable (though he should be). But maybe an Edwards/Obama team? That might be almost swoon-worthy!

Anyway.....
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Why isn't he electable? I don't get it?

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Shanna, thanks for the understanding words re: the bucket use. I appreciate it.


Politics: Generally not interested, but I do vote and force myself to be somewhat aware of what goes on. I'm just feeling kind of pessimistic about it lately. Dh is really loving Obama right now. I just listen to what Dh says about him . I figured I'd vote for him, but now I think I'll do some of my own research on my own on Edwards vs. Obama. You guys have got me interested.


I'm sorry MMM about the diagnosis, but at least you know right? Hope you can straighten things out soon and here's some more for the next time you need it.


Katt, I forgot to tell you I'm sorry about your fall. I am always worried about that happening! I'm glad Teo is just fine.

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shanna:

we're sort of at a wait-and-see ourselves. not too attached, but feeling confident. there has been an energetic shift--that was nearly immediate. but, what that means, whether it means anything, that's debateable.

us election stuff


i don't think R-C has it all wrapped up, that's for sure. Obama has quite a shot. it looks like a race between the two of them, but my preference is also for Edwards. second to that is obama.

my dad would freak (he's staunch neocon) if it were obama. he keeps going on about how little experience he has, etc. and i think that's a benefit. he's not entrenched in the politics (yet)--which would serve him well.

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you know it! babies be leadin' the marchin' well, the crawlin' or scootin' or just bein' carried. but anyway, they're all for peace.
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Thanks for the encouragement re the hat. I just didn't want to give it to them if they thought it was weird.

Shanna, how bout this pattern? You could easily sew on pom poms on the top and tie ends.

I'll be so excited when I have my own babe to knit for, as if I don't have enough projects in mind already

Katt, that is so scary about falling with the wrap on! Glad teo is doing ok.

Sihaya, congrats on having an uneventful pregnancy! Don't worry, you have nothing to apologize about. I'm not planning on decorating a nursery, finding out gender when I'm pregnant either.

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I'm voting for Kucinich in the primary. I suspect we'll see an Obama/R-C ticket in the general.

Shihaya, I think you're in my neck of the woods. We're having a yard sale this Friday/Saturday and we're liquidating a bunch of the newborn/3 month stuff we've got. PM me if you want the address--lots of very cute and totally practical stuff.
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frog - not sure if DH would consent to going out that way this weekend, but I'll think about it and let you know closer to Fri/Sat. Is the stuff gender neutral? I've been very good about not getting any clothes yet, but I could be swayed for the right price

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frog - not sure if DH would consent to going out that way this weekend, but I'll think about it and let you know closer to Fri/Sat. Is the stuff gender neutral? I've been very good about not getting any clothes yet, but I could be swayed for the right price
Nearly everything's gender neutral (bear in mind, though, that we were all excited about dressing our girls in flannel shirts and overalls--my "gender neutral" might be your "definitely boy." ). If you don't make it, no big deal. Just thought I'd throw it out there. And if there's anything you're interested in specifically, shoot me a PM when you think of it and if I've got it, I'll set it aside for you. We haven't gone through everything for this yard sale, and I suspect that not all of it will sell, so we'll still have a stash.
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What about Kuchinich (SP?) ?? Is he still a Democrat? I always thought that was weird.

What's the feeling in the US right now? Is it still anyones game in the Dems? The media I am seeing has me convinced that Rodham-Clinton has it all wrapped up - would you say that was accurate? We're hearing (in the mainstream media) very little about Edwards (is it his wife who has cancer?) and we only hear about Obama because of the novelty factor which is pretty gross.
The media talks as if H-C is a done deal, but I think that's ridiculous. I know of no one who would consider voting Dem who is actually excited about Hillary. Everyone mostly talks about voting 4 her with noses held. She's very conservative - as DH quotes from someone else "She's always asking herself what she thinks soccer moms think jesus would do." <sigh> Now old Hillary, headband Hillary, idealist hillary I could get excited about. Well, as excited about anyone whom I suspect I wouldn't really like as a person.

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he keeps going on about how little experience he has, etc. and i think that's a benefit. he's not entrenched in the politics (yet)--which would serve him well.
I couldn't agree more - experience seems to keep bringing us the same status quo, domination paradigm. Wish there were a kindergartner running......

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I'm voting for Kucinich in the primary. I suspect we'll see an Obama/R-C ticket in the general.

Shihaya, I think you're in my neck of the woods. We're having a yard sale this Friday/Saturday and we're liquidating a bunch of the newborn/3 month stuff we've got. PM me if you want the address--lots of very cute and totally practical stuff.
I really like this one, but she hasn't yet posted the pattern .

If a O/R-C ticket, who would be top dog? I have a suspicion that h-c would never play second fiddle to someone with less "experience". I think that nose would be cut off her face quicker than anything - all sources say this is what happened with universal healthcare in the 90s..... I'll vote for Edwards or Kucinich in the primary, unless I think its close between h and obama. I really don't want to see hillary on the ticket, I'm afraid it would mean we get stuck with giuliani. I'd walk over hot coals (and vote for mccain or romney) before i see that happen. I've been away from the news so long, i'm in denial that giuliani is polling first for republicans. Two generations from the Houlocaust and we still think authoritarian makes us safer. :
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Why isn't he electable? I don't get it?
Kucinich isn't electable, because he's a fringe-lefty, almost socialist in many respects. That freaks out many people, and as a result, tends to get very few votes. He's run before, and maybe gets 4% of the vote if he's lucky. Too bad, because I really do like what he has to say. Either that or like-minded people just aren't voting at all, which is what Noam Chomsky seems to think.

He's the only one of the candidates decidedly for gay marriage, not this lame civil unions/marriage, separate but equal rigamarole that the other dems are talking about. Sigh.

So yeah, I'll probably vote for him in the primary, and think about what'll happen after that.

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Nearly everything's gender neutral (bear in mind, though, that we were all excited about dressing our girls in flannel shirts and overalls--my "gender neutral" might be your "definitely boy." ). If you don't make it, no big deal. Just thought I'd throw it out there. And if there's anything you're interested in specifically, shoot me a PM when you think of it and if I've got it, I'll set it aside for you. We haven't gone through everything for this yard sale, and I suspect that not all of it will sell, so we'll still have a stash.
We're hoping to pair frilly pink dresses with kid-size tool belts eventually I actually saw some onsies with "I'm not a boy," and "I'm not a girl" on them Saturday. I was sorely tempted...

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Kucinich isn't electable, because he's a fringe-lefty, almost socialist in many respects.
That's what I love about him. Also, I really want to support a candidate who's for marijuana legalization.
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Kucinich isn't electable, because he's a fringe-lefty, almost socialist in many respects. That freaks out many people, and as a result, tends to get very few votes. He's run before, and maybe gets 4% of the vote if he's lucky. Too bad, because I really do like what he has to say. Either that or like-minded people just aren't voting at all, which is what Noam Chomsky seems to think.
Oooh, are you a Noam fan too? I think I love you. I'm contemplating adding "Manufacturing consent" to my to do list - do you recommend it?

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not this lame civil unions/marriage, separate but equal rigamarole that the other dems are talking about.
Oh sister....TESTIFY!!!!!!:

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That's what I love about him. Also, I really want to support a candidate who's for marijuana legalization.
I love that having a plant is illegal. Really, it cracks me up Speaking of, I have the munchies......
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off to my interview. couldn't pump enough for DD. Feel like I'm going to puke. Not sure if it's nerves about the job or about leaving her. Probably both. Leaving her with DH at his workplace.
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good luck with your interview piepie! let us know how everything went!
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Oooh, are you a Noam fan too? I think I love you. I'm contemplating adding "Manufacturing consent" to my to do list - do you recommend it?
Not only am I a Noam fan, I get to be one in 2 domains, the political and the linguistic. I suppose I should be less of a fan in the linguistic domain, since he's not keen on the framework I use in my studies, but whatever; it has some basis in his work so.... Nobody, not even Noam can be perfect, right?

I haven't yet read "Manufacturing consent," which is a shame on me. I have read plenty of his interviews though, mostly on chomsky.info. I obviously have more reading to do.

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Hang in there, PiePie. I'm pulling for you!
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i haven't read Noam in years. i should look up manufacturing consent.
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Good luck, Piepie! :

I can't keep up with you guys. I am enjoying lurking on the discussion of candidates. And it turns out Noam Chomsky went to my high school. Huh. I never knew.

Steph, it's good to hear from you. I'm glad things are going well. If you're feeling good, to me, that's great news.

Angela, that hat you made is awesome. I like the other one you posted to as well. So many potential projects for me to get started on!

Shanna, I think you have something with the stress/morning sickness link.
Weekend - I feel fine.
Monday - go to work, throw up when I get home.
Tuesday - stay home, feel fine. Not that I've actually done anything useful today. But I feel fine. Go figure.

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Kucinich isn't electable, because he's a fringe-lefty, almost socialist in many respects.
Oh, right! You literally meant, he'd never win I knew that. I thought there was some weird electoral thing ('cos you have a few in the US!!!) that said that he couldn't win because it was against the rules

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off to my interview. couldn't pump enough for DD. Feel like I'm going to puke. Not sure if it's nerves about the job or about leaving her. Probably both. Leaving her with DH at his workplace.
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Oooh, are you a Noam fan too? I think I love you. I'm contemplating adding "Manufacturing consent" to my to do list - do you recommend it?
I would recommend it. But it's big and dense. I'm quite partial to the little topical books he's been putting out more recently. I know you'll enjoy whatever you pick up of his though. (FWIW - I think there's a doco of manufacturing consent )

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I went to the LLL meeting for the town that I live in the other day, and there are only about 4 people in the group! (I also attend the LLL meetings in the larger city nearby).
Anyway, they needed a place to have their meetings, so I volunteered my house. Now I'm having the next four meetings at my house!

I also went to my first MOMS Club meeting today. It's really hard for me to do all this socializing (I'm very ), but I'm determined to make some friends who are SAHMs. I don't do well when I'm lonely. Do you mamas have friends who are mothers that you can hang out with during the day if you're feeling lonely? Right now I have my SIL, but they are moving to Boston in Oct.



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Maela- I have a hard time meeting people. I went to a mom's meeting, kinda. it was a toddler play group, since teo wasn't a toddler and I was playing with my baby, I didn't meet any other moms. I do have the Yahoo AP Group that meets nearby that I go to occassionally. They meet at least 1x a week, usually more, but I don't go that often. I try to get to LLL, but the bigger ones are farther away and with gas prices. Oh well...

I do have a friend nearby that I've hung out with occassionally, I met her via the Yahoo AP Group.

Good Luck, I find it very difficult to meet new people, make conversation etc... I'm such an observer that engaging others is such a social mystery to me.
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Do you mamas have friends who are mothers that you can hang out with during the day if you're feeling lonely? Right now I have my SIL, but they are moving to Boston in Oct.
Even though babe isn't here yet, I've been going to a few different meetings for a couple of months now. Monday was a NFL group at the Birth Center (organized by our own beautiful Shanna!) Today is LLL (The bigger one here is also the one that is further away. The one that is closer only had 2 other people at it when I went!) And there is a babywearing meeting Shanna and I carpool to every month as well. There is also an EC group I want to go to before the babe comes, but it is at the exact day and time as the babywearing group Then, once the babe is here, the birth center has mama groups for different ages of babies (newborn, crawlers, toddlers, etc.). I'm also thinking about checking out the MOPs group at my church, though maybe not until next fall because I've heard they really push you to put your baby in the nursery during the meeting.

I feel really fortunate to have so many groups in the area and I'm glad I decided to go to some of them while still pg because now I will already have a network of mamas built up when I am dealing with a brand new baby. However, at the same time, each of these groups only meet once a month so there are still weeks at a time where I start to feel lonely or isolated.

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can someone give me some info about MOMs groups? all of the ones here seem to meet at churches and tend to (at least as far as i've seen so far) have women mostly from that church, interested in attending that church, or what have you. is it a religious-affiliated organization?

one of my clients belongs to such a group, and when i mentioned that we might be TTCing and asked her for a few local resources (such as LLL, NFL, etc), she suggested her MOMs, which meets at her church and is mostly filled with her church members. While i love my client and i'm sure that they're all nice ladies, they're very mainstream and they're literalist christians. That's pretty much my exact opposite.

i know that there's an NFL group near here--so that will probably be a better fit. i believe their in/near kimberton, PA. so that's convenient too.
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I attend a good sized LLL meeting 2x per month and have met some really great moms there, but haven't met up with them outside of LLL yet, except for the ones also involved in a natural parenting group I also am involved in (barely). I have only been to 1 event with them, but will be attending my second tomorrow. They do a lot of play groups that I know we'll be more active in as he starts playing!

I also have just started stroller strides classes (though for fitness, not so much for friends) and am trying a free Music Together class on Friday (anyone have any experience with this program?)

As far as individual friends, I am terrible at that! I am so glad there are organized groups, or MDC would be my only social outlet!

We have a ton of other groups here, too, but I am a bit concerned I'd have little to talk about with them! We have Moms Club, Parents at Home, and a few others I am forgetting.
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on saturday i went to 2 moms meetings. one was the applebees nurse-out, and where i met 20-something mamas, most but not all from mdc. then i went to a babywearers' meeting (it's called slings in the city) at a local slings store. met more of the same folks. i went to one ap meeting before dd was born, but have been too tired to go since. i also intend to go to a lll meeting. went to a library storyhour for little kids this morning. dd was by far the littlest one. i was disappointed that most of the "moms" were nannies and that most of the children were Caucasian (truly shocking in Harlem) with of course caregivers of color. so there were few other moms to talk to, although i did hit it off with the children's librarian.

so yesterday's interview went well, i think. they said the process would be slow because "you're not in any rush" -- a reference to the fact that i said i wouldn't be able to start till feb. it would involve limited travel, but a lot to my hometown, where my parents live! can we say grandmom babysitting?? i would be willing to go away overnight if babe could come with! dd stayed with dh at his office and didn't drink any of the breastmilk i had pumped. so more for next week, when i have another interview (different job, this one is sufficiently non-prestigious that i think i can insist on part-time or i'll just walk) and a day care interview where annoyingly they don't let you bring your kid! (other tours have had that policy but when i have said how young she is they have relented. in fact the other kids go gaga over a babe so small...)

speaking of small, she is getting downright chubby!! well, not quite, but i had mixed feelings when the doula noted yesterday that she has a double chin! on the one hand, i am unlikely to be urged to supplement -- isn't this proof that the BFing is "successful"? otoh, i have this fear of childhood obesity. both dh and i were underweight as kids, but here in harlem (well, america, really) you see ginormous children and it sorta freaks me out.

have pediatrican appointment tomorrow. dh is going away for 2 days for a hugely important board of directors meeting. it is usually in nyc but this time they decided to go for geographic diversity and have it in denver -- why now? i am a little scared of being on my own. i have been trying to line up friends to hang with me but have so far been blown off because of work commitments. :
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Good Luck, I find it very difficult to meet new people, make conversation etc... I'm such an observer that engaging others is such a social mystery to me.
Yes, that is me too!


All of you sound like you have many more groups to join than I do. The only ones that I know of in my area are MOMs and LLL. I don't know if the MOM club will totally fit me, but I really need to meet other moms, and if that's my only choice... One of the moms did have a homebirth and they all seemed very "bfing friendly", so that's good. Two of them are due in the next six months also, so Dd will have little friends!

But I am so glad I have MDC to come to! I don't know what I would do without you guys!


PiePie, I think it's great your daughter has a double chin. I thought most babies had them. Dd even is starting to get one. She's still very long and pretty skinny. It kind of worries me that maybe she's not eating enough? But she is steadily gaining (though she's not quite 10lbs yet ); and she definitely has enough wet and dirty diapers! I think that I'm comparing her too much to her cousin (12 days older than her) who is a chunk! Also I was a long and skinny baby too.

Oh, and there is a picture of us in my sig! (It's 2-3 weeks old.)

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frog - DH said no to driving that far for "just" a garage sale. So, I won't be able to make it. Maybe another time.

Maela - What is MOMs? I don't think I've ever heard of it before. Is it a nationwide thing, or just local for your area?

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can someone give me some info about MOMs groups? all of the ones here seem to meet at churches and tend to (at least as far as i've seen so far) have women mostly from that church, interested in attending that church, or what have you. is it a religious-affiliated organization?
I don't know what MOMs is, but the group I mentioned is MOPs which stands for Mothers of Preschoolers. Here's the national website. It is a Christian organization, meets at churches, just like you described. They are supposedly open to people of all religions, but they require all of the groups (the leaders, not the members) to agree with their statement of faith. I know in some areas, the groups are very open to AP and non-Christian moms and in other areas they just aren't. It just depends on what the group in your area is like.

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thanks Sihaya. it probably is MOPs.

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sounds like the interview went well and that the babe did well too. i'm so glad she's getting cubby. it's the cutest thing.

i found myself flirting with babies today. i never flirt with babies. in fact, i am typically going "oh cute" and that's it. but today, i was flirting. with about 5-6 different babies.

it's whacked out.
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