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No matter what you think of Hillary personally, this sexist diatribe should fire you up. Hillary got a bit choked up at a rally yesterday (didn't break down sobbing, just got a little misty-eyed) and now people are questioning her ability to lead. Some people were calling her "hysterical." Even women were saying things like "She's making us look bad." WTF?! As if supposed male emotionlessness is the gold standard and us gals have to live up to that because they're just so perfect?! I'm so angry I could spit nails.

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No matter what you think of Hillary personally, this sexist diatribe should fire you up. Hillary got a bit choked up at a rally yesterday (didn't break down sobbing, just got a little misty-eyed) and now people are questioning her ability to lead. Some people were calling her "hysterical." Even women were saying things like "She's making us look bad." WTF?! As if supposed male emotionlessness is the gold standard and us gals have to live up to that because they're just so perfect?! I'm so angry I could spit nails.
oh that is sickening. is there a way to respond to those editorials so they can be read online? she is too emotionless and then she is a shrew. a few tears and she is hysterical. is this 1850 or something?
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Here's the thing about favors owed and connections, though: You don't get to the Presidential level of politics without owing favors. You just don't. So, to me, that's a non-issue.
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I'm not American, but it does affect my life...

I thought that having a woman, any woman, for this high position is good even just as a symbol. However, if she fails as a president, it will be impossible for a hundred years to get another one there.
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Does anyone get LinkTV? There is going to be a special airing on Saturday night about gender inequality around the world. I've set the TIVO to record.
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Can I just confirm if anyone is actually reading or planning to read the book we agreed on for February? I've just started it.

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I've read it, and I'm looking forward to discussing it.
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I have it on order from the library and should probably get it next week sometime. I read very quickly, though, so I'll definitely be ready to discuss by mid-Feb.

In the meantime, I'm reading Peggy Vincent's Baby Catcher. Anybody read that one?
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I've read it, and I'm looking forward to discussing it.
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I have it on order from the library and should probably get it next week sometime. I read very quickly, though, so I'll definitely be ready to discuss by mid-Feb.
Oh, good! Just wanted to be sure.

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I haven't but I've heard of it. What do you think so far, is it worth a read?

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Yeah, it is. It's just anecdotal, so it's quick and easy to read, but it's very interesting. Peggy Vincent attended her first birth in 1962, as a nursing student, then became a nurse-midwife in the late 70s, so the trajectory she goes through, in terms of both time and geography (she moves from North Carolina to the Bay) is really interesting. And even if it were totally apolitical, it would be worth reading just for the cool birth stories.
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I read Baby Catcher, too, and loved it! After I read it, I gave it to a friend of mine who was thinking about becoming a midwife.
I love reading anecdotal stories from women who help empower other women.
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How goes it, feminist mamas?
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Pretty good, thanks. About 1/3 through the book we're reading for the book club. Have we set a discussion date yet?

Oh, and I was seriously so pissed off today at this article, which was written a year ago about five prostitutes who were murdered in eastern England. The suspected killer of all these women is presently on trial and this was the response from a feminist site, responding to the vile, horrible, misogyny that the author of the first article spews forth. No matter what you think of prostitution, prostitutes themselves shouldn't be treated like vermin and their deaths celebrated as 'deserved'.

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Hey, long time no post!

I haven't had the time, or money to order the book, so I will have to wait till the next time around to participate in the discussion.

I don't have a problem with prostitutes, I fear for them and wish they were on a different path but I think that they are making their own choices. Its awful that anyone would call their murder deserved, getting paid for sex deserves death? Come on.
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I don't have a problem with prostitutes, I fear for them and wish they were on a different path but I think that they are making their own choices. Its awful that anyone would call their murder deserved, getting paid for sex deserves death? Come on.
I would disagree that all of them are making their own choices. Many are coerced or forced into prostitution with threats on their lives and families and the pimps prey on their previous abuse, fragile mental state, immigration status, drug problem or poverty and make it seem like it was their 'choice'. I would guesstimate that only maybe 10% of prostitutes are doing it because that's what they want to do and have made a free and clear choice.

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I would disagree that all of them are making their own choices. Many are coerced or forced into prostitution with threats on their lives and families and the pimps prey on their previous abuse, fragile mental state, immigration status, drug problem or poverty and make it seem like it was their 'choice'. I would guesstimate that only maybe 10% of prostitutes are doing it because that's what they want to do and have made a free and clear choice.
Well of course. And the fact that prostitution is illegal in most of the world only makes it worse. It forces women who are exploited to hide from the very people who should protect them. And it doesn't help that many raids on brothels and the like, the prostitutes get arrested but the folks who run the place get away and the clients are often let go with a slap on their wrist.

I have had some interaction with the sex worker groups (related to HIV/AIDS prevention). While I do have questions about how healthy (mentally/physically) sex work is, those questions are not actually related to the sex work industry, which is CLEARLY dangerous and unhealthy for those involved - because of the legal infrastructure around it, not because it is inherently "bad".

You know the attributes for a great adult? Initiative, creativity, intellectual curiosity? They make for a helluva kid...
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I would disagree that all of them are making their own choices. Many are coerced or forced into prostitution with threats on their lives and families and the pimps prey on their previous abuse, fragile mental state, immigration status, drug problem or poverty and make it seem like it was their 'choice'. I would guesstimate that only maybe 10% of prostitutes are doing it because that's what they want to do and have made a free and clear choice.

I didn't even think of that. I don't know whats wrong with me this week.
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so I've been subbed to this thread for a while, and I guess I'm going to hop in now!

Been a little nervous about joining huge threads at MDC, scared I'll get in over my head.

So how is everyone?

I'm Erika

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so I've been subbed to this thread for a while, and I guess I'm going to hop in now!

Been a little nervous about joining huge threads at MDC, scared I'll get in over my head.

So how is everyone?

I'm Erika
: Nice to see you join in, Erika! How did your interest in feminism get sparked?

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Hi Erika!

I've finished Maternal Thinking (not sure that I loved it as much as I thought I would, so I'm very interested in hearing what other people thought of it), and I just read Adrienne Rich's Of Woman Born. I loved it, and found it heartbreaking and depressing at the same time. Has anyone else read it? I find myself thinking a lot about many of the points she brought up, trying to figure out what has and has not changed socially since she wrote it in the 70s.
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Hi Erika!

I've finished Maternal Thinking (not sure that I loved it as much as I thought I would, so I'm very interested in hearing what other people thought of it), and I just read Adrienne Rich's Of Woman Born. I loved it, and found it heartbreaking and depressing at the same time. Has anyone else read it? I find myself thinking a lot about many of the points she brought up, trying to figure out what has and has not changed socially since she wrote it in the 70s.
I'm a few pages into Of Woman Born, I lost it for a while. I think I will pick it back up today.
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Just got Maternal Thinking from the library yesterday, so I'll start it ASAP.

Ruth Rosen has a great book on the history of prostitution...
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Ruth Rosen has a great book on the history of prostitution...
LOVE her. What's the title?
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I had just gone to find it!

The Lost Sisterhood: Prostitution in America 1900-1918.
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: Nice to see you join in, Erika! How did your interest in feminism get sparked?
Well... I'm not really sure.

I guess when I was younger and my dad told me that I couldn't do something because only boys did that.

I set out to show my parents that I could do it no matter what. And that anyone could.

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How's everyone doing? Is anyone up for starting our discussion of Maternal Thinking?
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Glad to see this bumped!! How is everyone??

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Why is it so difficult to keep this thread going?

I think what's happening for ME is that I've been writing about my feminism in other threads on MDC, when it's relevant to topics - such as a mom trying to convince her DH not to look at website with porn ads when their daughter in in the room.

Would it be helpful if this thread here could partially be used to post links to other MDC threads that involve feminist topics? Does MDC's user guidelines allow for that?

I wish you all the best with the book discussion - I have neither the book nor the time.
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I wanna jump in here!

20 year old stereotypical feminist here. Seriously, I have it all. ;-)

It's what my little brother calls me. "Ang, you're such a stereotype. I mean, really, you could wear a bra. Or shave your legs. Or not be gay. Or... something. Maybe stop shaving your head?"
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