Tearing, squatting, epidural, time to push.... How to make things better - Mothering Forums

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My first pregnancy I had too much pain, unbelievable. The best thing (at least I thought so) that happened to me was to get an epidural (I can only remember the relieve). So I fell asleep (first time in 30hs) and they woke me up to say I was 10cm already and should start pushing... Now that I think of it, she was not crowning yet (I could not see her at all), but I was 10 cm... I pushed for 45 min. Took an eternity for her head to get out... And finally she came.

I got a 4th degree tearing, and 13 stitches... TWICE, because after stitching once, midwife realized there was something there yet... re-opened, cleaned, re-stitch. Didn't feel stitching (because of epidural), but recovery was tough... And I still have some incontinence. I even gave up my aerobic classes because every time I jump, I pee... Have done kegels but not much results... getting better, but still no impact classes for me...

Sex took almost 3 months to happen. so much it hurts

Now my daughter is 19mo and I am expecting in January.

I have started to wonder how things went "wrong". After reading many many articles, anedoctals, I have a few theories, but no conclusion...

Theory one: epidural made all complicated because I pushed without feeling (at all), probably pushed too early, too soon...or too much at once...

Theory two: we should have waited for her to crown before pushing... And not only start because I had gotten to 10 cms... Most people who had easy deliveries waited until their babies were crowning already. Maybe that would've helped

Theory 3: I should have done squatting vs kegels to help strength or done more kegels...


Truth is.. I don't know. All I know is that I dont want to tear that bad again, I want to have bladder control, I have no idea if epidural made worse or not (and can I handle it without one?)... And no idea when is the right time to push...


Any ideas????

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Some thoughts...

I have never heard of waiting until crowning to start pushing. "Laboring down", yes, if the baby is still high when the mom is complete, but laboring until baby is actually crowning might take a very long time and is not a likely scenario in a hospital birth. 45 minutes is completely normal in terms of pushing time - many first time mamas take longer, even with or without an epidural, so I doubt that has anything to do with your pelvic floor issues.

I would request your medical records. Are you sure it was a fourth degree tear? That's a tear that extends all the way through the perineum and then through the rectum. 13 stitches seems like not nearly enough to repair a fourth degree tear. Usually midwives cannot repair them, they call in an OB to do so, because they are much more complicated to repair. Did you have an episiotomy? I ask because it's pretty uncommon to have a 4th degree tear without an episiotomy first.

To address your current problems, I would seek the help of a physical therapist who specializes in pelvic floor disorders. Call around to some OBs and midwives and see if you can get a referral.

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I had a bad tear with DD1. With DD2 I pushed on my side (something you can do with an epidural). I only had some skid marks, despite the fact that she had nuchal hand and was 9 lbs9 oz! So yeah, side lying is awesome for preventing tears! For your incontinence, you might want to check out a DVD called hab-it. It's available on amazon. The exercises are awesome, that is if you can find the time to do them with 2 little ones.....

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Let me just begin by saying that I feel your pain. With my DD, I pushed for two hours and ended up with a 4th degree tear and tons of blood loss (had to have a transfusion). My OB also had to stitch me twice, and sex didn't happen for 3 months as well. (The similarities between our stories are uncanny!) But I've been wondering the same things as you, and I honestly haven't come up with any answers. I have talked to lots of moms who had really awful tears with their first babies and minimal to no tearing with other babies. So, I'm led to believe that there is hope! I've also looked into the issue by reading a couple books about birthing. Anyhow, based on my research and experience, here's what I think of your theories:


1. The epidural could have absolutely been a contributing factor. One of the most important things about pushing is to know when you need to do it, and this can't be determined solely on your dilation. You need to feel an overwhelming urge to push as well, and the epidural can make it really hard to tell if your body is giving you that urge. Without that "urge" (which is your uterus actually pushing the baby down), you won't have the help you need from your body, which can prolong the pushing process and make it a lot more painful. I will say, though, that I didn't have an epidural and had a strong urge to push, but still ended up with the tear. But I still believe that an epidural could contribute to the tearing in other situations.

2. Again, waiting for visible results to begin pushing isn't always the best option. If you were feeling a strong (irresistible) urge to push and were fully dilated, then there would be no reason to wait until crowning to begin pushing. That would be needless torture. Yikes!

3. Squatting and kegels are equally important to strengthening your PC muscle, which could help to prevent tearing. So doing plenty of both would be a very good idea.


Based on what I've read and experienced, I think there are two other major factors:

1. Your position. Trying to push a baby out flat on your back or not elevated at least to a 45 degree angle can definitely set you up for a bad tear. So, it's best to be in a sitting squat position, if possible. There has also been some evidence to show that a side-lying position could be useful. But it's good to explore these positions and maybe even switch them up during the pushing process. 

2. Your birth assistant. I didn't realize this before, but it's crucial that your birth assistant (midwife/OB) knows when to tell you to stop pushing. As the baby's head emerges, it's important that you're not giving a really strong push, but that you instead release the baby easily, either with very minimal or no pushing. Obviously, it can be hard for you to tell when this moment occurs, so your assistant really needs to know how to coach you in this. Otherwise, an overzealous push at the wrong moment could lead to a tear. (I've begun to wonder if this may have been a contributing factor to my tear.) So, it'd be a good idea to discuss this thoroughly with your midwife.


Finally, I'd have to say that not having an epidural would probably be the best start to avoiding a tear with your next one. There are so many important signals that we get from our bodies, and these are often masked by the epidural. Also, if you don't have the epidural, you have the freedom to adjust your pushing position, which is also key. I'm not sure if you were planning on an unmedicated birth, but even after my experience, I'd recommend it. Strangely enough, the pushing didn't hurt like the contractions, even with the tearing. I guess it's because our bodies have a nice way of numbing areas getting lots of pressure, which is what happens to the pushing area. Anyhow, I hope some of that's helpful, and I hope that your next birth is better with NO tearing! It can happen! :)

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