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I have never posted in this thread before. 1500 posts is a lot to catch up with, I have begun reading though and will continue to work through the thread. I had a baby about a week and a half ago. And at a week pp I discovered my cervix is prolapsed. It is just inside my canal and not protruding at this point. My midwife physically moved it back and said she felt as my round ligaments shrink back from birth this would rectify itself. It has fallen back down since her movement of it. I can urinate with no trouble & I have been able to poo 2x since the birth. I am drinking Blackstrap molasses 2x a day for anemia and stool softener. I called the midwife that delivered my first two children and she too felt confident I could fix this on my own. Then why do I feel so terrified? I can't eat and I am in tears constantly. All I can think of is my husband leaving me because I am so broken. Which is stupid but I can't seem to shake it. Having a hysterectomy at 37 is even more terrifying to me. I have 4 more weeks of medicaid coverage and then my pregnancy coverage ends. So I would have to have the surgery right away if I was choosing that. And I don't see lots of fool proof surgical options out there. I looked at the whole woman site and her program is $500 I just flat out don't have. Some sites say Kegels others say don't. I am so confused and scared. I have no idea where to begin .One site said to do squats... Am I the only one that the idea of squatting just makes me scared it will all fall out onto the floor?
I have this brand new beautiful angel in my lap and I can't stop crying or feeling like I had to pay with my body for him to be healthy and perfect. I feel so betrayed.
Is there anyone who has actually had this and been able to recover from it? How did you do it? We're you able to have more children?
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Smile Help and Hope for Women with Pelvic Organ Prolapse

This message was in my inbox this AM; felt I should reach out to the mom's in this forum to share insights. I tried to insert an article I wrote for Positive Health Magazine in 2012 but it is not the proper format and won't upload so I'll insert a link at the bottom of this message for those who want to read basic pelvic organ prolapse information, which I believe all women should have (even those who don't give birth, there are many causes of POP).

It is unbelievable in my mind that women aren't told about POP ahead of the curve; for most of us it's discovery upon diagnosis. There is no routine screening for POP, diagnostic practitioners are not educated very well about POP, and no one talks about it out loud. That will all change very soon; we bang the drum daily to generate awareness while we provide guidance and support for women who are navigating the condition which impacts women physically, emotionally, socially, sexually, as well as impacts their fitness regimens and sometimes their employment. How can women lift their children if they have POP? How can they engage in intimacy if they have pain or anxiety? How can they carry on day to day acting like nothing is wrong when they feel vaginal or rectal pressure or tissues bulging from the vagina? For over 4000 years the medical community has treated POP as though it wasn't a "big deal" but it is a big deal-pelvic organ prolaspse is seldom life threatening but it is always life altering.

What is important to know is millions of women have this condition (the current statistic used is 3.3 million women in the US but research often indicates that half the female population has POP-women in all countries, not just the US). You are not alone. We stand side by side, a strong army of women growing stronger, demanding change. Our voices are getting louder. Women should be informed about POP before they get pregnant so they understand ways to modify daily activities. Women need to know how to check themselves to see if they have POP (take a hand held mirror at the end of the day and look at your vagina to see if you see tissue bulging). Women need to know Kegels and body posture are an important part of prevention and self treatment (kind of like brushing your teeth to prevent cavities). What's most important is that women know there are many treatments for POP, both surgical and non-surgical, and step one is getting an accurate diagnosis. Any doctor who does pelvic exams can diagnose POP but few know enough about it to diagnose if accurately; it is important to get advice from a specialist-a women's health physical therapist or a FPMRS urogynecologist or urologist. (The letters in front of the dr are important-these drs have specific training for POP.)

You are not alone Middlemamma, there are millions of women who feel the same way you do. You are still going through the hormone shift post-partum and need to give the tissues time to heal but should absolutely pay attention to changes. We have many young mom's in our chatroom who've felt exactly as you do. APOPS secure chatroom is specifically for women with POP, women newly diagnosed, women who never want surgery, women who want surgery but no mesh, women who've had mesh and non-mesh surgeries. Women bring their questions to APOPS chatroom and our ladies surround them with support and information. (All asking to join are screened b/4 they are let in, we continually focus on keeping the environment positive and uplifting but educational and supportive.)

For POP basic info, go to http://www.pelvicorganprolapsesuppor...help-and-hope/. There's lot of other info on the APOPS website too, library pages have articles I've written and articles by healthcare practitioners. The Youtube link on the Home page will take you to my video page where I've posted about 40 short videos on different aspects of POP. I hope this helps! I do need to share that I can not engage in regular communication on this chatspace because APOPS duties are extremely time consuming-we are working hard to make change in the medical community and research, and global commitments keep me very busy-so many things must be addressed to change the way the world looks at POP. We welcome women with open arms who are in need of POP support and think this mothering forum serves a wonderful purpose-providing guidance and support to women who bring life to the planet in the most natural way possible. Moms are the superstars of the planet!

My heart goes out to each and every one of you!

Sherrie Palm, Founder/Executive Director
Association for Pelvic Organ Prolapse Support
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I posted on this thread when I was looking for answers years ago... now I'm trained in a program that helps women change the behaviors and alignment that created the pelvic problem (pregnancy and birth are just the catalyst for the problem to show up, pregnancy doesn't "cause" POP-- pregnancy is natural, POP isn't!). If you haven't heard of Katy Bowman and Restorative Exercise™, I highly recommend checking it out. Katysays.com for the blog, RestorativeExercise.com for the online classes and books.
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Middlemama, I was diagnosed with a 2nd degree cystocele a little over a year ago, 2 years after giving birth. Since you only have insurance cover6 for a short time, see if you can get a referral to a pelvic floor rehab physical therapist, and if that is covered. This person can teach you how to do proper kegels (something every woman should have the opportunity to learn!) using biofeedback. I would also recommend getting fitted for a pessary, if your doctor is willing. A gynecologist can fit you for this, and it should be covered by insurance as a medical device. It was a lifesaver for me in the beginning!

I can't imagine they would consider a hysterectomy at this point, and if I were you, I would hold off on any thoughts of surgery until you've tried other methods of healing POP - it is certainly a scary feeling in the beginning, on top of the usual post partum emotions. It can get better, though, and it won't feel so intensely frightening after a while. One thing my PT assured me is that men really can't tell that a woman has POP during sex, and at least for me, that's been true. You may need your husband to do some of the heavy lifting for a while though, as lifting heavy things can increase the symptoms of POP.
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Middlemama,

I know it's been a month since you wrote this, but I was wondering how it turned out for you. In mid 20s after my 2nd child, I had surgery for pelvic prolapse. They wanted to do a hysterectomy too, but I didn't. I had a few different surgeries done at that time for different areas that were "falling out." I don't know about squats??!! That position would make it worse for me. Anyway, almost 10 years later, I have a lot of pain and I'm not sure if it is from the sling (one of the procedures) or all of the procedures, or something different. I also thought maybe - have you/did you talk to your midwife/doctor; you sounded a little blues-y? I hope everything worked out for you!

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I have never posted in this thread before. 1500 posts is a lot to catch up with, I have begun reading though and will continue to work through the thread. I had a baby about a week and a half ago. And at a week pp I discovered my cervix is prolapsed. It is just inside my canal and not protruding at this point. My midwife physically moved it back and said she felt as my round ligaments shrink back from birth this would rectify itself. It has fallen back down since her movement of it. I can urinate with no trouble & I have been able to poo 2x since the birth. I am drinking Blackstrap molasses 2x a day for anemia and stool softener. I called the midwife that delivered my first two children and she too felt confident I could fix this on my own. Then why do I feel so terrified? I can't eat and I am in tears constantly. All I can think of is my husband leaving me because I am so broken. Which is stupid but I can't seem to shake it. Having a hysterectomy at 37 is even more terrifying to me. I have 4 more weeks of medicaid coverage and then my pregnancy coverage ends. So I would have to have the surgery right away if I was choosing that. And I don't see lots of fool proof surgical options out there. I looked at the whole woman site and her program is $500 I just flat out don't have. Some sites say Kegels others say don't. I am so confused and scared. I have no idea where to begin .One site said to do squats... Am I the only one that the idea of squatting just makes me scared it will all fall out onto the floor?
I have this brand new beautiful angel in my lap and I can't stop crying or feeling like I had to pay with my body for him to be healthy and perfect. I feel so betrayed.
Is there anyone who has actually had this and been able to recover from it? How did you do it? We're you able to have more children?
I have a pelvic organ prolapse since the birth of my last child 10 weeks ago. Please go to whole woman. Com and look at her program again. It does not cost $500. You are only looking at the new opportunity they are offering that streams all of her videos online. If you would learn her posture that would teach you right there a lot that could help you. That's what I am doing right now. I am new to this journey but I have looked at lots of different things and like you saw a lot of contradictions and I made the decision for myself that whole woman was the right path for me. I just wanted you to know you don't have to spend $500 to get her products. Her book saving the whole woman as well as the DVD first aid for prolapse will cost you about $100 to get both of those items well, not that much I can't remember the exact amount. But if you have no money at all if you could just navigate her site and take advantage of the articles in the material that she has for free there as well as look on her YouTube channel for a clean up from her DVD first aid for prolapse then you can educate yourself about the proper posture that she teaches. Keeping the posture throughout your day and protecting your lumbar curve in your spine are the most important things you can do to start the whole woman work.
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Well, I wrote something but by the time I went to post, I had been logged out. Oh well. I guess I am to keep this shorter.

I had some issues with the WW program. There is a bit of good advice...namely posture and walking, but the rest I found not helpful. The forum I found distasteful when some members trashed one lady for sharing what worked for her just because it was not part of the WW program. I bought her DVD, but found that instead of inverted yoga moves (supposedly good), I received a video that was based on ballet, eating strangely, dressing oddly, jogging (no jarring is good for prolapse nor your joints), picking kids up in awkward and potentially damaging (to your back) ways, and eliminating in the most awkward, unnatural position of hovering. BTW, this is not a healthy way to do so and can lead to other issues.

I would highly recommend Katy Bowman's program. You can check her information out here: http://www.katysays.com/tail-of-two-pumpkins/. Make sure that you click on the links to learn more and more about proper squatting and when to start. Build up other muscles first by lunging, crawling, doing the stretch that I will mention next and walking. I will be ordering her DVD hopefully soon. It is currently on sale for $10 USD. I like that you do not have to take any chunk of time out of your day to do anything. You can do these things any time, anywhere, and when space is at a premium, it is good for that too.

What I found helped: no kegels, WW posture, walking, lunging, crawling (helped a lot), then squatting properly. I also found that doing a cat stretch with my belly toward the ground rather than arched up helped. I also go on all fours, relaxing my belly toward the floor, drawing it up to a straight position, then relaxing it again helps some. I also do the Squatty Potty idea. It helps a lot as well. I eat a traditional real (not raw, not fad) food diet while eliminating many synthetic additives (this is for reasons other than prolapse). Homemade whole grain items are consumed here, not store bought white/whole wheat/whole grain. I find the bought stuff like glue.

I have a 1/2 pool noodle in our vehicle to remind me to check my posture. When I feel it behind my back, I remember to check my posture.

I am going to implement taking Magnesium Chloride (I am so inconsistent at times), to help with the healing process. It is used topically (I used 1 1/2 tsp./day) and is the most efficient way to get magnesium. I took it a few years back to cure my psoriasis, and in the process, had a cavity heal as well. What a bonus! It is sold under the name Ancient Minerals.

I am also going to try to be more proactive by starting belly dance. I have a couple of videos that I have been fortunate to buy inexpensively. Belly dance was originally created by the Gypsy people for preparing for childbirth and toning and healing after childbirth. They used plain flowing dresses when they did it, not the skimpy costumes that Hollywood made it famous for...Hollywood also changed the perception of it from something helpful and healing to something strictly sexual. That being said, it does make a woman feel beautiful, but you don't need a fancy costume to reap the health benefits. It teaches you how to move muscles that you never knew you had and in a gentle way.

Believe it or not, this is a shorter post. I believe no woman should have to suffer and should get an equal shot at helping herself heal, regardless of finances. You can do this. Start slowly, start purposefully and know that it can get better.
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Well, I wrote something but by the time I went to post, I had been logged out. Oh well. I guess I am to keep this shorter.

I had some issues with the WW program. There is a bit of good advice...namely posture and walking, but the rest I found not helpful. The forum I found distasteful when some members trashed one lady for sharing what worked for her just because it was not part of the WW program. I bought her DVD, but found that instead of inverted yoga moves (supposedly good), I received a video that was based on ballet, eating strangely, dressing oddly, jogging (no jarring is good for prolapse nor your joints), picking kids up in awkward and potentially damaging (to your back) ways, and eliminating in the most awkward, unnatural position of hovering. BTW, this is not a healthy way to do so and can lead to other issues.

I would highly recommend Katy Bowman's program. You can check her information out here: http://www.katysays.com/tail-of-two-pumpkins/. Make sure that you click on the links to learn more and more about proper squatting and when to start. Build up other muscles first by lunging, crawling, doing the stretch that I will mention next and walking. I will be ordering her DVD hopefully soon. It is currently on sale for $10 USD. I like that you do not have to take any chunk of time out of your day to do anything. You can do these things any time, anywhere, and when space is at a premium, it is good for that too.

What I found helped: no kegels, WW posture, walking, lunging, crawling (helped a lot), then squatting properly. I also found that doing a cat stretch with my belly toward the ground rather than arched up helped. I also go on all fours, relaxing my belly toward the floor, drawing it up to a straight position, then relaxing it again helps some. I also do the Squatty Potty idea. It helps a lot as well. I eat a traditional real (not raw, not fad) food diet while eliminating many synthetic additives (this is for reasons other than prolapse). Homemade whole grain items are consumed here, not store bought white/whole wheat/whole grain. I find the bought stuff like glue.

I have a 1/2 pool noodle in our vehicle to remind me to check my posture. When I feel it behind my back, I remember to check my posture.

I am going to implement taking Magnesium Chloride (I am so inconsistent at times), to help with the healing process. It is used topically (I used 1 1/2 tsp./day) and is the most efficient way to get magnesium. I took it a few years back to cure my psoriasis, and in the process, had a cavity heal as well. What a bonus! It is sold under the name Ancient Minerals.

I am also going to try to be more proactive by starting belly dance. I have a couple of videos that I have been fortunate to buy inexpensively. Belly dance was originally created by the Gypsy people for preparing for childbirth and toning and healing after childbirth. They used plain flowing dresses when they did it, not the skimpy costumes that Hollywood made it famous for...Hollywood also changed the perception of it from something helpful and healing to something strictly sexual. That being said, it does make a woman feel beautiful, but you don't need a fancy costume to reap the health benefits. It teaches you how to move muscles that you never knew you had and in a gentle way.

Believe it or not, this is a shorter post. I believe no woman should have to suffer and should get an equal shot at helping herself heal, regardless of finances. You can do this. Start slowly, start purposefully and know that it can get better.
That is interesting. I found the WW exercises to be smart, especially when you watch the bonus section of the DVD and learn why she has one do those exercises. And I actually think her floor exercises are similar to belly dancing, very. I don't think they are advocating weird clothing, just that it is helpful not to wear tight restrictive clothing on the lower belly, and I think that is compliementary to the posture they teach. I don't think her segment on eating was strange, I thought it placed an emphasis on energetic , live foods, and it seems she prefers to have local whole foods year round through dehydrating her own produce and such. But, I realize to each their own. I'm not really sure how one can find her posture helpful but then not enjoy the way she applies that to lifting babies and using the potty. I have read her articles about the squatty potty as well as studied Katy bowman's take on these things as well and for now I'm more comfortable with the WW approach to pottying than I am with the squatty potty. Again, though, I realize that each of us has to figure out what works for our bodies and our minds.
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I will say, I'm ecstatic that anyone is even on this thread anymore. I'm attempting to read the whole thing, which is no small task!!

I will say that I'm SHOCKED that several babies into this I have never been educated at ALL on this topic and have had to take it totally upon myself to learn about prolapse.

I am still shocked that my midwives have never , ever once discussed this with me. Ever. Any of them. And I've given birth several times in several states.

There is a vacuum of knowledge out there about female pelvic health.

For now, I'm most impressed with WW and am intrigued by the studious articles that Christine KEnt offers on her website wholewoman.com.... I have been reading her past blog articles and she is very studious.

I'm new to this journey but have spent weeks immersed in it and look forward to learning more.
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It is true that the knowledgeable and compassionate women at WW are very protective of the WW work and will reject practices and concepts that are not useful in moving the organs forward. Prolapse is *all* about moving the organs forward. This concept that the organs have not fallen down, but have fallen back from the abdominal wall is an anatomic truth being expressed nowhere else on the planet other than at WW. Many people have a problem with ideas that are outside conventional theory and practice. Therefore, they misrepresent WW to the same level that they misunderstand the WW work.

Inverted yoga poses do nothing to re-structure the pelvic organ support system, which develops and is maintained under the forces of gravity. WW exercises are not ballet. The First Aid for Prolapse dvd is based on classical dance. The three WWYoga dvds are mat programs based not on traditional yoga, but on original exercises designed to strengthen the entire body around pelvic organ support. Any heavy object should be lifted with the thigh and buttock muscles in a bent hip, bent knee position - keeping the object close to your body. The above characterization is simply untrue. The natural position of elimination for women is to lean forward with feet planted firmly on the floor, whereby you are dropping your pelvic organs into your lower belly and away from internal pressures that are moving feces and urine toward the back. WW states very clearly that hovering is not desirable, but rather to lean forward and lift your weight off the seat every time you need to increase pressure. The squatty potty concept is the exact opposite of this idea and forces the organs toward the pelvic outlet. Walking, jumping, and forefoot-running in WW posture are all excellent exercises for moving the female pelvic organs forward and relieving prolapse symptoms.
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I did review this DVD again (with my DH this time) just to refresh my memory. I would have done this sooner but did not have time. There are some exercises that do somewhat resemble belly dance, but are still not moving all of the same muscles that it does. I still hear ballet terms and see ballet movements (so did my dh)...classical/ballet...I see them as one in the same (I've heard the term, classical ballet more than once) with a more recent history and formed with a different purpose than belly dance...which is a very old form of dance created to strengthen and tone the female body to prepare for childbirth and to help heal properly and gently afterward. That, in its pure form, is its original purpose.

I used inappropriate words in my previous post, and I do need to apologize for that. My dh encouraged me to look at the DVD a bit differently, and thought some of the stretches made sense...but those were more often than not the ones similar to belly dance. He agreed with my observation on the main dance moves part and he also agreed with the jogging and picking up positions.

I do agree with eating properly, although meat is not necessarily to be avoided. Eating to include live enzymes is also good, and so then raw milk and milk products should also be a part as well as small farm meats...they are totally full of the right enzymes. Vegetarian eating is not the only way to eat, and dehydration is not the only nor best way to store foods...it is only one way. We were made to eat real meat...not the stuff in the store which is full of things that were not meant to be consumed, but real small farm raised meat. The clothing as I did state before, should be loose around the waist. That does not take much to figure out. I should not have picked out Christine's chosen style of clothing...that is her style, not mine, and that was not fair. I still stand by the walking instead of jogging (walking briskly is certainly more gentle on the whole body) and some other things that I stated. These things I knew before viewing the first time...not news to me. Okay, I think that I covered and explained more fully where I am coming from.

As far as posture...here are my thoughts here after looking at all of the information everyone gives. Bust up is good. Ribs out...not good. Butt out...now I think that tilting it back is good...until you can build up the glutes. Then your butt will stick out naturally, not artificially, and give better and more lasting support.

Christine (Moonspinner), I cannot apologize for my view, but I can for my words that I chose. For choosing the words that I did, I am sorry. They were inappropriate. I do not generally follow conventional (modern) views just as you. If you knew me, you would easily see that. I hold some views that are not even close to the modern ways. I don't agree with surgery for many things. I don't trust the modern medical system. Alternative ways can be good...but there is also bad hidden in some of these teachings and methods as well. I don't blindly accept any view. I take the time to study, weigh what comes my way and take what I feel is best. I know what has worked for me. Nobody can tell me it is wrong if it is really working. Maybe your way worked for you and some others...but just the same, others know what works for them...I am thinking of me and of those who were blasted on your forum for sharing what worked for them. It worked. That should be celebrated! They should be able to share openly without criticism. Maybe further learning will be able to happen.

Squatting properly (note...not just any squatting) is good and natural, so here I certainly disagree with you...and you agree with the conventional medical view about no squatting. (Did you realize that your eliminating position is actually a modified squat?) But what isn't being said is that most people squat improperly because certain muscles are too tight and there are other factors that might not lend to proper positioning. Of course THAT is bad...but it can be changed through proper stretches and exercise.

Building up your muscles that support (thus the butt that sticks out/is tilted the right way) and making sure alignment is good makes sense. Starting from the ground up makes sense. Lunging works. Walking works. Crawling works. Stretching as I stated before works. Belly dance has lots of centuries old wisdom to offer. Breathing from your diaphragm is good for great singing, but I am still not sure yet if it can help me otherwise. As you can see, I am still learning, testing and so on. I will not give up in my quest...but again, I will not just blindly accept something because someone says so or tries to convince me otherwise. A person can claim that they are different from the norm or be the first one to be different. That doesn't necessarily make their way the right nor only way. When there is money to be made and the claim is my way or the highway...I see red flags. You cannot fault me on that.

I know not everyone will agree with me here. All I want is for people to be careful where they put their money and who they trust. I believe women should support and explore and never stop learning.

Ah, now this got very long...I am sure a page unto itself. I do not wish to fight here with anyone, but wanted to explain my post and views more clearly and apologize to Christine for my inappropriate words. I have wanted to do this for some time now.

Even though we disagree on some points, I hope that you will forgive me as I asked.
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It is true that the knowledgeable and compassionate women at WW are very protective of the WW work and will reject practices and concepts that are not useful in moving the organs forward. Prolapse is *all* about moving the organs forward. This concept that the organs have not fallen down, but have fallen back from the abdominal wall is an anatomic truth being expressed nowhere else on the planet other than at WW. Many people have a problem with ideas that are outside conventional theory and practice. Therefore, they misrepresent WW to the same level that they misunderstand the WW work.

Inverted yoga poses do nothing to re-structure the pelvic organ support system, which develops and is maintained under the forces of gravity. WW exercises are not ballet. The First Aid for Prolapse dvd is based on classical dance. The three WWYoga dvds are mat programs based not on traditional yoga, but on original exercises designed to strengthen the entire body around pelvic organ support. Any heavy object should be lifted with the thigh and buttock muscles in a bent hip, bent knee position - keeping the object close to your body. The above characterization is simply untrue. The natural position of elimination for women is to lean forward with feet planted firmly on the floor, whereby you are dropping your pelvic organs into your lower belly and away from internal pressures that are moving feces and urine toward the back. WW states very clearly that hovering is not desirable, but rather to lean forward and lift your weight off the seat every time you need to increase pressure. The squatty potty concept is the exact opposite of this idea and forces the organs toward the pelvic outlet. Walking, jumping, and forefoot-running in WW posture are all excellent exercises for moving the female pelvic organs forward and relieving prolapse symptoms.
hatchling, can I ask you why it is that there is hardly any traffic on this thread anymore? I've made it through about the first 16 pages of reading and I'm a little weary with reading it, mostly because I would love to have some actual real support and information coming at me now. I wish other women were posting on this thread right now. I'm glad read your post and to hear your explanation for your thoughts that you had expressed in a previous post. I myself AM leaning heavily on whole woman right now. I'm overwhelmed, I'm wanting to just follow something completely, I have almost no free time to continue to look here and there and everywhere for the answer, I really wish I could do more of that but I cant. So I'm just decided to go with whole woman's fault at this point because they make the most sense to me and I feel safest going that route. But I can say is that this has been a huge thing in my life, the anxiety, depression, the physical symptoms, all of it has been very overwhelming. It does not help at all that I literally know no one in my real life who wants to talk about this or even think about it. Other women don't talk about this issue. I wish this thread could become active again I have found myself wanting to go back and continue reading all of the pages to clean more information but I think I'm just tired of it now. .i want to know why people are posting in this thread dial. Or women not having prolapse is right now? Anyway I just wanted to post. I appreciated you coming back and explaining where you were coming from.
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I know I don't post on this thread anymore because:

1) My bladder prolapse presented a few weeks after the birth of my 6th baby, and I was terrified. I found the support here really wonderful. Then, at 12 weeks it completely resolved.

2) I wasn't on MDC much/at all for a few years afterwards. I just didn't feel the desire/need to connect until more recently. So, I had nothing to offer.

3) I think I posted my story somewhere here, and I know I did on another website geared towards POP to encourage women with the issue.

Blessings to you, and anyone who reads..keep the faith and working any program you have faith in for healing. It can get better! In some cases, completely resolve. I've had 2 more babies after that POP, and have had NO issues since! I am pregnant with twins now, and we'll see..but at least I know what to expect and to not be so SCARED. I wish POP was more widely discussed so women wouldn't feel so "broken" and scared!
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I know I don't post on this thread anymore because:

1) My bladder prolapse presented a few weeks after the birth of my 6th baby, and I was terrified. I found the support here really wonderful. Then, at 12 weeks it completely resolved.

2) I wasn't on MDC much/at all for a few years afterwards. I just didn't feel the desire/need to connect until more recently. So, I had nothing to offer.

3) I think I posted my story somewhere here, and I know I did on another website geared towards POP to encourage women with the issue.

Blessings to you, and anyone who reads..keep the faith and working any program you have faith in for healing. It can get better! In some cases, completely resolve. I've had 2 more babies after that POP, and have had NO issues since! I am pregnant with twins now, and we'll see..but at least I know what to expect and to not be so SCARED. I wish POP was more widely discussed so women wouldn't feel so "broken" and scared!
Thank you so much for posting. What did you to resolve your issues? Can you point to something that helped? I'm very encouraged by your post. I do feel I have a lot of faith in the WW method and intend to stick with it. I just have my days that I feel so overwelmed with the scared feelings, and yes it is made much worse by the fact that NO ONE wants to talk about this.
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Hello!

I'd be glad to share. I began homeopathic pulsatilla and sepia, and continued until it was resolved. Generally, homeopathics should help quickly if they are the right formula for you, yet, I knew this was a muscle/pelvic floor issue so it needed to take time.

I saw my family doctor (female) for a discussion...she was great because she said "Oh I have one of those..it's no big deal..my husband doesn't even know" when I was telling her how devastated I was by the cystocele that my husband and I may have a changed sexual relationship. While I'm not minimizing they are scary and that they CAN sometimes gravely affect health or sex, it was VERY reassuring to hear another woman I know personally (also a younger, fit, attractive woman who I can somewhat relate to) has one and deals with it fine. I wasn't convinced mine would go away.

I joined this website and forum, and it was amazingly helpful: http://prolapsehealth.com/

I wore a post partum support girdle and did kegals all the time.

I trusted that my body could get better with time..and that what it had been through was huge, but that my body was made to make babies and heal from their pregnancy and delivery. It did!

Hoping you heal up well and that it becomes a distant memory for you.

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I'd be glad to share. I began homeopathic pulsatilla and sepia, and continued until it was resolved. Generally, homeopathics should help quickly if they are the right formula for you, yet, I knew this was a muscle/pelvic floor issue so it needed to take time.

I saw my family doctor (female) for a discussion...she was great because she said "Oh I have one of those..it's no big deal..my husband doesn't even know" when I was telling her how devastated I was by the cystocele that my husband and I may have a changed sexual relationship. While I'm not minimizing they are scary and that they CAN sometimes gravely affect health or sex, it was VERY reassuring to hear another woman I know personally (also a younger, fit, attractive woman who I can somewhat relate to) has one and deals with it fine. I wasn't convinced mine would go away.

I joined this website and forum, and it was amazingly helpful: http://prolapsehealth.com/




I wore a post partum support girdle and did kegals all the time.

I trusted that my body could get better with time..and that what it had been through was huge, but that my body was made to make babies and heal from their pregnancy and delivery. It did!

Hoping you heal up well and that it becomes a distant memory for you.

tysm for your help! I just bookmarked that website link. Thank you. I'm taking arnica for healing and sepia as well b/c it was mentioned earlier in this thread. Is that a good idea? I've never seen a homeopathic doctor, I just went by suggestions. Is that OK? or do I need to see a HM doctor and find out exactly which remedies? TYSM!! I'm grateful to you. I can only hope and pray this is a distant memory one day. Thank you for hoping that with me. I'm very glad you are recovered! somedays I am encouraged by my progress, other days I just live in fear, to be honest. The emotionally element of this has been huge for me.
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I think most posters here have moved on as they have learned to deal with their prolapse in their own way, either having had healing, disillusionment with failure in the method they chose, found other supports, or just decided to accept and move on. I think it could be any number of factors. You will find some returning to post their success stories if you read past posts.

I actually took the time to read through at least half of the posts in this thread. It does get tiresome in a way, but there is a lot of great information to glean here.

I, as well, have many kids and so many responsibilities. I have little time. I also knew that I needed support from somewhere. I often wished more women were active on this thread.

I did not know what was going on after my last birth...I would dribble lots on the floor when I thought my bladder was empty. I knew I also had a bulge (actually 2) where it should not have been.

After my first birth I had prolapse, my midwife knew it, but somehow did not educate me on it at all. I later found out that she knew little about what to do. It resolved. It was very slight. I only felt it during the birth. Oh, how I felt it...ouch! I went on to have more kids without incident. I only noticed mine again after having 2 kids close together and using a bad birthing position both times. Mind you, I did notice it some before the last birth due to the weight of the baby and having sat on a slouchy couch through the pregnancy. I also had little time to heal after the first if the two. It was resolving well until at 6 weeks I carried my toddler a short distance. Then it got way worse and I started really looking for answers. I have both rectocile (which I believe I've had since my teens due to eating improperly as a child/teen/young adult) and cystocele. Now I most likely have spelled them incorrectly. Spell check does not recognize these conditions either. :P

I was having great success again with correction using the things I've mentioned until I pushed some heavy furniture a month ago. I should have asked for help. I did not feel as worried this time, just frustrated And I knew that there would be good and bad days until it resolved again.

I am starting to feel better again doing the same things that I did before (and an additional activity that I will mention). It is taking less time and less effort this time, so I believe this is just a blip in my healing process and that I am certainly on the right track. They say it takes 3 yrs to recover from birth (actually, 7 for the brain to regain its former size too...did you know that?), and so I have one more year to go...maybe a bit more since there were 2 kids back to back. I want to do more to strengthen my abs...albeit very slowly and gently...thus the belly dance. I have known for a long time that they are weak from many pregnancies and I also believe that this is part of my own personal solution.

I found an activity that I love that has done tremendous things for me in a short period of time. It was walking through an obstacle course of bush/trees to help with fencing & to find some perfect trees, & most interesting...peeling logs with a draw knife! I really felt the difference with that. Maybe I should start a program of my own. I just need a cool name. Peeling for Prolapse. rofl

I have been doing this to help my oldest with a project. I did have to take the time to do it, but it was totally worthwhile! I did this every other day over 6 days and spent at least 2 hours doing this each time. I was tired, but accomplished something good on 2 fronts.

This activity works because:
1. I was kneeling most of the time.
2. I was holding the tree between my legs (thighs & or calves) and squeezing to hold it.
3. I was pulling the knife toward me (trying to keep my back fairly straight) which helps build the abs and my side muscles (not to mention other ones).
There are most likely other benefits too. BTW, the newly peeled wood was awesome to smell and that was a bonus!
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Gosh it's quiet on here! I've not read the whole thread, just the last couple of pages.
I discovered my pop 2 weeks ago, 3 months after the birth of my 5th child. It's been one hell of a year so far and I so didn't need this! I don't have time or mental energy to devote to this life altering condition but have no choice.
I ve seen my obstetrician who tells me I've got cystocele and rectocele and I start physio in a week.

I'm sure it will have been mentioned somewhere in this huge thread, but how safe is Babywearing for me now? Going by how my body feels, I cannot bear to carry my baby on my front for more than a few minutes but can manage him in a ringsling on my hip for a bit longer. I've not tried him on my back since the pop happened but maybe that will be the answer? My baby has low muscle tone and Needs the great physio workout he gets from been worn in wraps etc, so right now it's a juggling act not to damage myself further, whilst still trying to run a family of 7 and care for our special needs son.

I really resent that this has happened to me at this point in my life , I spend hours every week in one waiting room or another for my sweet baby and detest that I've got to waste more time visiting practitioners for me too. I think I've moved past the initial fear and grief that gripped me last week. Right now I'm angry. At what or who, I can't tell you specifically. I hate that I'm shuffling and not striding out. I hate that I have constant pain and can't go the toilet without fear. I hate that I can't plan a day out walking with my dog and children anymore.

I will beat this. I just wish it hadn't happened when everything else is already overwhelming.

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Hi there, yes it is quiet.

I have prolapses, cystocele and rectocele.

I use wholewoman.com and I'm slowly healing.

Go to wholewoman.com to learn more about how to babywear in a way that can actually help your prolapse, not harm.

All the best, I know how rotten it is. Take hope, on whole woman there are ladies who have come back to share their success stories.

Wishing the best for you and I both, I'm still on my journey.
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I have a cystocele of varying degree after every delivery now, since my 6th child..this time was pretty bad after vaginally delivering twins of 7 lbs 10 oz and 8 lbs 1 oz.

It is already getting better, and I expect it to be not noticeable at all within a few months.

For me, tons of kegals, pulsatilla and sepia post partum, as well as wearing a supportive sorta girdle (but not too tight) brief type panty during from about 5 weeks post partum on, do the trick.
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I have both too.

Walking, crawling (excellent), doing a bowing downward stretch like a cat (don't know if there is name for it), squatting *properly* (see Katy's site as mentioned below), using a squatty potty to do your business (more comfy and natural, less fear), no pushing on the seat either, lunges and anything that gives the bottom end a break from gravity helps me. But I discovered there is more to it than just exercises as I will share below.

It is certainly a change in lifestyle. It makes you give yourself time whether you want to or not. It makes you more aware. You will have to change some habits (no slouching when sitting or walking nor curling over baby when nursing, heavy lifting, not pushing yourself which is hard to do, etc.). Over time, you will be able to do more, just be careful. It takes 3 yrs. for a body to heal from childbirth to begin with, then you add this to the mix.

I went to a PT and she did some internal work and gave me exercises. I felt that they were making things feel worse (I firmly believe in listening to your body), so I quit those for now, but will keep them in mind for use when am feeling better. I think she thought my issues were not as advanced. I think they will work better as I start to heal more and I will try them again then.

*NEW for me* I went to an osteopath lately to see what he would do. He said there are many things that can contribute, and it is a matter if finding out what the core issue(s) is(are), that it can be a symptom of other things that can be causing this as a result. They check about 5 different body systems, not just treat the prolapse only. That resonated with me, so I made the appointment.

He said digestion is important and to drink 1/2 lemon (not bottled stuff) in a full glass of water every morning to help the liver function better. Chew food extremely, extremely well. This can be hard being busy mom. If you do this, but are concerned about loss of enamel on your teeth, using magnesium oil on your skin will help rebuild your enamel. We have seen those positive results in our family (Mothering has an extensive thread on this). Another thing with doing these things, it will reduce any bloating, will make bowel movements easier (so will magnesium) and will reduce the look of the large belly too.

The osteopath checked my posture from many angles and corrected one side of my pelvic area...the sacrum. It was twisted outward...no online program (nor some offline ones) could have diagnosed nor helped with that. It would have continued to interfere. I walk easier now (and have less pain in that area)! I hadn't realize my walking was not quite right.

He also said to lay on my back & rest my bottom on a pillow at the end of the day for at least 10-15 min. He moved my intestines, uterus, and liver upwards. They are not supposed to fall into that front belly. Then he gave me an exercise to do as well 2 to 3x per day, 5 or 6 times each time. I prefer doing this on my back...breathe in, breathe all the way out. breathe in. Suck my belly in just UNDER the ribs and UPward. I think of it as tucking all my innards under my ribs. There is no pushing downward feeling to it. Hold for a long time...longer than you really want to. relax. Take a relaxed breath in and out. Repeat.

He suggested going to a PT as well to do internal work and suggested a different one. I will go see him again this Friday to see how it is helping and do more work. The answer does not lie with one program, but can be combination of approaches, which I had suspected and he supports. He agreed that belly dancing is good too (avoid hip drops).

I have not been focusing on walking lately (I plan to again), but found this did lot of good. It built up my butt and other supporting muscles...important according to Katy Bowman. I would suggest reading: http://www.katysays.com/tail-of-two-pumpkins/ I like her program the best out of all of the online options. It makes the most logical sense considering what has helped me some in the past. I want to add that to what I am already doing when I can find the funds to do so.

I would suggest reading lot and deciding to go with what suits you best. But...be careful too as there is a lot of conflicting advice out there and money to be made. Not everything is sound advice.

I would also highly recommend going to see someone who is properly trained in a holistic approach (a PT is not holistic), as online folks and some others cannot really correctly or fully assess what your specific problem is...they cannot look at/assess your whole body, so they will most likely miss something.

Combine approaches as they compliment each other and as you notice them helping.

Anyway, a super long post here, but I hope it is helpful in some way.

I will update as I learn more.
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I have both too.

Walking, crawling (excellent), doing a bowing downward stretch like a cat (don't know if there is name for it), squatting *properly* (see Katy's site as mentioned below), using a squatty potty to do your business (more comfy and natural, less fear), no pushing on the seat either, lunges and anything that gives the bottom end a break from gravity helps me. But I discovered there is more to it than just exercises as I will share below.

It is certainly a change in lifestyle. It makes you give yourself time whether you want to or not. It makes you more aware. You will have to change some habits (no slouching when sitting or walking nor curling over baby when nursing, heavy lifting, not pushing yourself which is hard to do, etc.). Over time, you will be able to do more, just be careful. It takes 3 yrs. for a body to heal from childbirth to begin with, then you add this to the mix.

I went to a PT and she did some internal work and gave me exercises. I felt that they were making things feel worse (I firmly believe in listening to your body), so I quit those for now, but will keep them in mind for use when am feeling better. I think she thought my issues were not as advanced. I think they will work better as I start to heal more and I will try them again then.

*NEW for me* I went to an osteopath lately to see what he would do. He said there are many things that can contribute, and it is a matter if finding out what the core issue(s) is(are), that it can be a symptom of other things that can be causing this as a result. They check about 5 different body systems, not just treat the prolapse only. That resonated with me, so I made the appointment.

He said digestion is important and to drink 1/2 lemon (not bottled stuff) in a full glass of water every morning to help the liver function better. Chew food extremely, extremely well. This can be hard being busy mom. If you do this, but are concerned about loss of enamel on your teeth, using magnesium oil on your skin will help rebuild your enamel. We have seen those positive results in our family (Mothering has an extensive thread on this). Another thing with doing these things, it will reduce any bloating, will make bowel movements easier (so will magnesium) and will reduce the look of the large belly too.

The osteopath checked my posture from many angles and corrected one side of my pelvic area...the sacrum. It was twisted outward...no online program (nor some offline ones) could have diagnosed nor helped with that. It would have continued to interfere. I walk easier now (and have less pain in that area)! I hadn't realize my walking was not quite right.

He also said to lay on my back & rest my bottom on a pillow at the end of the day for at least 10-15 min. He moved my intestines, uterus, and liver upwards. They are not supposed to fall into that front belly. Then he gave me an exercise to do as well 2 to 3x per day, 5 or 6 times each time. I prefer doing this on my back...breathe in, breathe all the way out. breathe in. Suck my belly in just UNDER the ribs and UPward. I think of it as tucking all my innards under my ribs. There is no pushing downward feeling to it. Hold for a long time...longer than you really want to. relax. Take a relaxed breath in and out. Repeat.

He suggested going to a PT as well to do internal work and suggested a different one. I will go see him again this Friday to see how it is helping and do more work. The answer does not lie with one program, but can be combination of approaches, which I had suspected and he supports. He agreed that belly dancing is good too (avoid hip drops).

I have not been focusing on walking lately (I plan to again), but found this did lot of good. It built up my butt and other supporting muscles...important according to Katy Bowman. I would suggest reading: http://www.katysays.com/tail-of-two-pumpkins/ I like her program the best out of all of the online options. It makes the most logical sense considering what has helped me some in the past. I want to add that to what I am already doing when I can find the funds to do so.

I would suggest reading lot and deciding to go with what suits you best. But...be careful too as there is a lot of conflicting advice out there and money to be made. Not everything is sound advice.

I would also highly recommend going to see someone who is properly trained in a holistic approach (a PT is not holistic), as online folks and some others cannot really correctly or fully assess what your specific problem is...they cannot look at/assess your whole body, so they will most likely miss something.

Combine approaches as they compliment each other and as you notice them helping.

Anyway, a super long post here, but I hope it is helpful in some way.

I will update as I learn more.
Thank you for all your replies, but especially Hatchling, thank you so much! Your post is excellent and very helpful.
I prefer a holistic approach to everything, so your recommendations resonate with me,
I saw an Osteopath a couple of days ago. I've used osteos before but this one was new to me. He was excellent and I shall be seeing him again. He said my problems would have been a long time brewing as I have hypermobility, have had multiple pregnancies and a very unstable pelvis. He said my pelvic floor basket was abnormally tight on one side and any pelvic floor excercises would make it worse and would not work. He did extremely gentle manipulations on my diaphragm and pelvis and I walked out, being able to breathe deeply (I hadn't realised I couldnt, before!) and with no urinary leaking. I'm pretty sure my muscles have tightened too much on one side again, but if they've been like that for years, then it may take time to learn new posture.
I shall look into the links you gave.
Yesterday I received a Habit dvd and shall try to watch tomorow or on the weekend.
I have a PT appointment tomorw but don't hokd out much hope yet as I'm sure my pelvic posture is not yet optimal for performing internal exercises.
Unfortunately I have somehow got a cough! I've not had a proper cough for years and have no idea why I caught it this time (all the family, except baby have it too). I'm usually resistant to coughs and colds but I guess I'm run down now that I'm post natal and trying to cope with everything.
I've also ordered some sea pearl sponges for prolapse. Has anyone had success using these? I'd like to be able to be on my feet longer than I can comfortably manage at the moment, And not feel like I'm pushing everything South when I cough.

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You are welcome.

I did go back again and he did a few more things. It was interesting, but hard to describe as he did so many little things. I find that it is helping and I will be going at least one more time (or more if we can find the funds). What I appreciate is that it is a gentle approach and so thorough. Some work is done and a bit of homework given when needed. They check to see how your body is working/healing at the next visit and do a bit more fine tuning each time. It is logical, careful and practical and works with your body, not against it. It is tailor made. It makes sense.

I am all for finding out the root cause and as he said, it isn't always what you think that is the cause. The body works as a whole unit...and so it should be treated as such.

I am glad that I could help.
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