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#181 of 1505 Old 09-30-2007, 11:28 AM
 
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I always feel things more when I'm constipated. Unfortunately my rectocele is causing problems with regularity which makes me feel the cystocele all the more. I too am trying to eat better. I was feeling really good, I was back to doing most of the housework and started exercising. Now eveything is saggy and the house is a mess and I'm so frustrated. I'm feeling the same way about surgery today.
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I always feel things more when I'm constipated. Unfortunately my rectocele is causing problems with regularity which makes me feel the cystocele all the more. I too am trying to eat better. I was feeling really good, I was back to doing most of the housework and started exercising. Now eveything is saggy and the house is a mess and I'm so frustrated. I'm feeling the same way about surgery today.
I hear you on the housework - vacuming & washing the floors particularly bother me. i think it is that leaning over, push & pull motion. If only we could afford a cleaning person, now I would have the perfect excuse!

Has anyone tried a support garment like Spanx or Hanes Body Shaper? Now that summer is over I'd like to try one. Any recommendations?

I am also going to ask my GYN about a pessary next time I see her. I have been using a sea sponge as one & it really seems to help, but I have trouble getting it out. I know I can sew a string onto it, but I don't really like the idea of the string hanging out. That always bothered me w/tampons.

I have been trying the sepia too, but not noticing much results. I think it is bc of my coffee intake. There is just no way I can survive without it!!!

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Hi everyone,
I disappeared for a while but have been scrolling through.
I have been feeling so much better! I am about 19 or so weeks PP and have done some serious healing.
My cystocele was Grade 3 at 4 wks PP and is now a Grade 2.
I am able to do so many things now and walk greater distances, dance with my 3 yr old etc.. I feel much better at work than i did 4 wks ago.
I hope this gives you some encouragement.
Max, I am sorry to hear you have had some hard days. I have been there. I swear I thought I would need surgery one month ago and something has suddenly shifted. I wish this shift for all of you.
I still get a bit saggy at the end of the day, but in general I don't feel the huge bulge i was feeling. Sneezing still is challenging. I don't always kegel in time for the sneeze!

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ok, so what do you do when you have a cough? I am coughing pretty bad, and I feel things getting low in there.

I have no clue what my prolapse is, i assumed it was uterine, because I had just had a baby. I am just over 7 weeks pp, and had this with the last three births, bad enough the first time where I was wiping and felt something at the opening of my vagina. I assumed then too that it was my uterus, I have no clue how to tell which organ it is. I also have severe pelvic/hip/sciatic pain, so bad that I can not walk for more than a block or two without being in very bad pain for days afterward.

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Here is the recipe my PT gave me for keeping your bowels regular. She was fanatical about not straining on the toilet.

1/2 cup unprocessed bran
1/4 cup applesauce
1/4 cup prune juice

Combine and keep in the fridge. Take 2 tablespoons every day with 8 oz of water. Increase up to 4 tablespoons as needed - but increase water consumption accordingly.
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Sneezing still is challenging. I don't always kegel in time for the sneeze!
My allergies are going nuts lately so I've been sneezing a lot. I read, I think on the whole woman site, to bend at the waist when you sneeze and it really has helped. I don't feel like I'm going to eject all my organs every time I have to sneeze.
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If I ever have to sneeze, cough, etc., I always try to keep my butt "up". Make the lower back have a curve in it and then sneeze. I also do this when I have to lift anything heavy. That way your organs aren't taking on all of the weight of everything going on.
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If I ever have to sneeze, cough, etc., I always try to keep my butt "up". Make the lower back have a curve in it and then sneeze. I also do this when I have to lift anything heavy. That way your organs aren't taking on all of the weight of everything going on.
Thank you! That actually feels much better when I cough. It doesn't feel like stuff is coming out.

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Here is the recipe my PT gave me for keeping your bowels regular. She was fanatical about not straining on the toilet.

1/2 cup unprocessed bran
1/4 cup applesauce
1/4 cup prune juice

Combine and keep in the fridge. Take 2 tablespoons every day with 8 oz of water. Increase up to 4 tablespoons as needed - but increase water consumption accordingly.
Sounds like you have a great PT. I had to fire mine because she advocated circumcision. I just couldn't see her being able to heal when she supports harming a newborn through an arbitrary reductive cosmetic surgery known as RIC! I hope I'm not out of line for the way I feel. I told her how I felt in a nice way. She seemed offended. Then we sort of repelled. oh well. I hope she felt informed after saying what I said because she clearly had no idea. I'm praying for her.

I'll find a different PT in a few months. I'm 6 m pp now. I've given myself 1 year and by then I expect to improve!

For now, it looks like I'm going to bite the bullet and buy Christine's Whole Woman series. The Balms too. Total is $173.00 Thats less than all the appointments I had with the PT.

Today, I need a cyber shoulder to cry on.: My bladder feels like its hanging out of my body. I was dx a stage 4. of 4! I thought I was getting better and all of a sudden it feels worse than I've ever felt! :

Please pray for me, send healing vibes my way... I want to get better.

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Fruitful Womb, I think you will find the Whole Woman package helpful, reassuring, and hopeful. I recently bought the balms & like them a lot.

Your in my thoughts mama.

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Sigh... I caught a cold from dd1 and have now spent 2 weeks coughing and blowing my nose. I do my best to "hold in/up" and bend a bit to take the pressure off the pelvic area but...

I really feel like I've set myself back months of healing. I feel very droopy, achy, bulging.

Bleh.

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Wombatclay, that is discouraging. hugs... I haven't had a bad cold since the one I think caused this whole problem, but I'm not looking forward to it when I do get one... Do you ever get 'completely' healed? Enough so that you don't get set back by a cold, or having to lift heavy stuff? Will I ever be able to go backpacking again?...
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Don't get too discouraged. For some reason, the body seems to bounce back from colds, flu, diarrhea, etc. Doesn't bounce back to before baby, but back to regular prolapse vs. yuck prolapse. The worst part is the fear.
Feel better soon.
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Sigh... I caught a cold from dd1 and have now spent 2 weeks coughing and blowing my nose. I do my best to "hold in/up" and bend a bit to take the pressure off the pelvic area but...

I really feel like I've set myself back months of healing. I feel very droopy, achy, bulging.

Bleh.
I hope you are feeling better soon Wombatclay. Every time I cough I worry, as that is what started this whole thing for me. Right now my kids have deep, chesty coughs so it is most likely only a matter of time here.

Do you have the Whole Woman video? Doing the exercise program might help pulling things back into place.

Take good care mama.

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Hi!

If anyone still catches up with this thread...

I think I have a prolapse of some kind. Argh. I am 6 weeks postpartum and things feel severely "off." It was my second birth so I had an idea of what to expect but things just are not looking good.

It looks like it is either my bladder or my uterus because the "bottom" part looks fine. How can I tell the difference? What exactly would prolapse look like? (tmi warning: nothing is coming out but occasionally it is almost like my vagina is non-existent when I stand up) Is it also possible that the inside of my vagina tore?

I am freaking out and have an appointment with my midwife. I have been looking at the total woman site frequently but still am not sure what is the best way to deal with this. How long do I have postpartum for my body to be moving things back into position?
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Congrats on your new baby! I was where you are 3 1/2 months ago. My advice is to rest as MUCH as possible. Take that baby to bed and stay there as long as possible. Don't vacuum or lift anything heavy. Really give your body a chance to recover. I know how hard that is with older kids but it really is important not to do too much too soon. At 6 weeks postpartum I cried every day because of how awful my bladder felt. Now at 3 1/2 months postpartum I only really feel my prolapse when I lift too much, jog or let myself get constipated. Things aren't the same as prebaby but I can deal with it day to day as long as I take care of myself. I hope you're feeling better soon!
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hugs mama... but congrats on the new babe!

Your body should start moving things around as soon as the babe is born...6-8 weeks is generally thought of as "when the uterus should be more or less back in place". Of course, for some mamas it takes longer.

I hava a mild/moderate bladder prolapse...for me it feels like a poorly inserted tampon (so something pushing "in" the vaginal area) and a bulging right at the vaginal opening. Kegels make the bulge vanish for a time, then it comes back. I also have difficulty voiding completely...I'll go, then lean forward and go again.

Seeing your midwife is good, but if you still feel off ansd she doesn't see anything consider asking for a ref to a specialist or physical therapist familiar with pelvic health. A mild prolapse may be difficult to see (for example, it's best to examine the organ placement while you are standing but most primary care givers are going to do a VE with you laying down).

And yes...you can tear "up" as well as "in" and "across". I know a few mamas who have actually torn theuir cervix, and a few who have had extensive internal tearing leading to fistulas. It's not something they really talk about in baby classes (or even here at mdc so much) but it happens. Having your mw check for that could be good too.

hugs again...I hope everything turns out to be fine! You may just need a little longer to heal!

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I just found this thread and I think I might have this. Something has felt off for a few weeks now.

I was having severe breast pain and took some Tylenol 3 for 2 days, not realizing that one of the side effects is constipation. I have felt off since then. This was around 9 weeks post partum, and I'm at 13 weeks now. I think I was healing fine before then-- is it possible I knocked something out of whack with the constipation at 9 weeks?

I just checked myself with a mirror and it does look like something is crowning, yikes. It is pink and soft and I was able to push it back a little.

Anyway, what next? Put a call in to the midwife and see what she says?

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heyla cornpicker! You're still pretty "newly" post-partum so some of this could just be the totally normal reorganization of the area that happens following birth. Many prolapses get better on their own over the course of the first year postpartum...

The constipation probably didn't help though! Does kegel'ing help at all? Or does it seem worse late in the day? Calling your midwife is a great idea, and if you're not happy with the response ask to see a physical therapist who is trained in pelvic floor health...some primary care givers just aren't familiar enough with prolapse to assist you if that's the case.

And to everyone... my cold is gone and my innards have returned more or less to where they were before the cold. Which seems wonderful in comparison to where they were! Nothing like a little perspective to make this seem not so bad, right?

I think the fact that I'm home full time now is also helping. I'm able to stay more hydrated, I'm eating better, I don't have to sit in an uncomfy chair for hours on end, and the stress level is less as well. So I think that is giving my body a little more space to heal.

I don't have the whole woman exercises yet...I'm hoping I might get them as a holiday gift but right now things are too tight for "extra" purchases. I've been doing the "Mummy Tummy" exercises though and belly dancing a little. I know yoga has a bad rap in prolapse circles, but I'm thinking I might join dd more in her "toddler yoga" (she loves it and we used to do it a lot before dd2 arrived and the thought of a squat made me cry). I don't think it could hurt and might help things move in new ways.

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Thanks for the reply, Wombatclay. I'm going to step up the kegels, I think they help. I'm not sure about later in the day but I'll start paying attention. I'll give my MW the heads up, too.

Thanks and best wishes!
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I never noticed this thread before! I'm 3 months postpartum and have mild uterine prolapse and a mild-to-moderate cystocele. Over the past 2 months my cervix has been gradually rising, which is encouraging. My cystocele doesn't really seem to be improving much, though.

My biggest concern about my prolapse is how it will affect future pregnancies and births. We would like to have two more children eventually, and I worry that my pelvic organs won't handle that well. I also worry about how this will affect me as I age. I'm only 22 and in good shape - what will my body be like in 20, 30, 40 years? This is the last thing I expected to be dealing with in my twenties.:

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Thanks for the replies. It is prolapse for sure...argh. : I am still in the "I don't want to deal with this phase." I am sure this will be followed by an intense "I must fix this phase."

This thread really helps me feel more normal. It is nice to hear from people who are my age dealing with this. I am having a hard time figuring out how I am going to ever feel attractive after this. Why doesn't anyone talk about this in classes/books?
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This thread really helps me feel more normal. It is nice to hear from people who are my age dealing with this. I am having a hard time figuring out how I am going to ever feel attractive after this. Why doesn't anyone talk about this in classes/books?
When I first discovered my prolapse, I was absolutely devastated. I felt like I was "damaged goods" all of a sudden. I have no idea why people don't talk about this. Even in "What To Expect When You're Expecting", where they talk about pretty much every complication possible, prolapse isn't mentioned even once. It kind of makes you feel like you've got this strange, rare condition that no one ever talks about.

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Wow I just saw this thread!

Maybe some of you can help me. I just posted this: http://www.mothering.com/discussions...61#post9746261
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Heyla MotherWillow!

I read your other post (I had 100+ stitches too due to a 4th degree tear so I hear you on that!)... go to the Whole Woman website (http://www.wholewoman.com/) and check out the information and forums. There are a lot of women dealing with this sort of thing and there are a number of options to try before moving to surgery. As the Whole Woman site points out, you can ALWAYS try surgery if the less invasive treatments don't work. But since the surgery can cause a number of problems and may not be effective in the long term (leading to more surgery to correct the situation) it doesn't make sense to start with surgery till you know it's the best choice for you. The site also points out that (sort of like the world of OB/GYNs) surgeons know surgery and they jump right to that as the "cure" for prolapse. But it's not the best choice for every woman, or even most women.

Anyway, there are a lot of ideas in this thread too... staying regular, kegels, ab exercises to try or to avoid, working with physical therapists, homeopathic and herbal treatments, etc.


Lula- I remember feeling so horribly broken after my c/s, and then even though I had my vbac it came with that 4th degree tear and a prolapse...so I still feel like there is something deeply "wrong" with me as a woman. Like, "why me?" what did I do or not do to cause this? I know time will bring emotional healing as well as physical healing, but I'm having a hard time too...

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New to the thread...

Hi, all! I can't exactly say I'm proud to be here, but... I am glad to find such a nice group of ladies.

I didn't realize I had a prolapse- didn't have a name to put on it- until a gyn appointment last summer (2006), when my youngest was 1 1/2. That gyn told me vaguely what was up and handed me a brochure for pessaries and was very surprised that I wasn't peeing my pants all the time. I was mortified, as many have mentioned here... and pretty much decided to ignore it and hope it'd go away. I've probably been prolapsey (new word!) for over 4 years now, since my first son was born, but have been so constantly distracted that I never paid much attention. Yes, I pee when I sneeze. Yes, I get tired extremely easily when walking, sweeping, carrying things. Yes my poor abs haven't seen each other in over 9 years, since my first was born (diastasis). And yes I also have pelvic symphysis (or however it's spelled.) Apparently I'm a bigger mess than I realized. *sigh*

Well... now I'm 19 weeks pregnant again. And, OH MY GOODNESS, can I tell I have zero pelvic floor. The baby is incredibly low. I can't bend over without a stab of pain in my bladder. Heck, when my midwife pressed (not that hard really) on my belly to measure my fundus it hurt like hell... around where I think my poor pancake of a bladder is.
I imagine this is going to get a lot worse... I mean... I grow big babies and I'm not quite halfway yet. Yikes.

I plan to start seeing a chiro for my pelvic symphysis as soon as I can afford it. That might help with the prolapse, right? And I've totally changed the way I eat, thanks to suddenly discovering that I have Celiac disease. So... better nutrition ought to help, just as it helps everything. But, what else can I do? Has anyone here been pregnant again with this?

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New to the thread...

Hi, all! I can't exactly say I'm proud to be here, but... I am glad to find such a nice group of ladies.

I didn't realize I had a prolapse- didn't have a name to put on it- until a gyn appointment last summer (2006), when my youngest was 1 1/2. That gyn told me vaguely what was up and handed me a brochure for pessaries and was very surprised that I wasn't peeing my pants all the time. I was mortified, as many have mentioned here... and pretty much decided to ignore it and hope it'd go away. I've probably been prolapsey (new word!) for over 4 years now, since my first son was born, but have been so constantly distracted that I never paid much attention. Yes, I pee when I sneeze. Yes, I get tired extremely easily when walking, sweeping, carrying things. Yes my poor abs haven't seen each other in over 9 years, since my first was born (diastasis). And yes I also have pelvic symphysis (or however it's spelled.) Apparently I'm a bigger mess than I realized. *sigh*

Well... now I'm 19 weeks pregnant again. And, OH MY GOODNESS, can I tell I have zero pelvic floor. The baby is incredibly low. I can't bend over without a stab of pain in my bladder. Heck, when my midwife pressed (not that hard really) on my belly to measure my fundus it hurt like hell... around where I think my poor pancake of a bladder is.
I imagine this is going to get a lot worse... I mean... I grow big babies and I'm not quite halfway yet. Yikes.

I plan to start seeing a chiro for my pelvic symphysis as soon as I can afford it. That might help with the prolapse, right? And I've totally changed the way I eat, thanks to suddenly discovering that I have Celiac disease. So... better nutrition ought to help, just as it helps everything. But, what else can I do? Has anyone here been pregnant again with this?
Hello and welcome ...

I so know what you mean about just wishing the prolapse will go away and sort of ignorning it. Because really, if you don't ignore it, at least sometimes, it can really make you depressed.

Congrats on your pregnancy! I think seeing a chiropractor is awesome. Also, I have a friend who trained with a woman named Jennifer Gianni who is a Pilates instructor who had a class specifically for pregnant women that focuses mostly, if not completely, on the pelvic floor muslces. My friend did her Pilates class during her pregnancy and she had a natural, home birth and didn't even tear at all, which I think says something about how strong her pelvic floor muscles were for the delivery. I think Jennifer moved to North Carolina (?), but she has a Pregnancy Pilates DVD out, here's a link to it on Amazon.com...

http://www.amazon.com/Jennifer-Giann...5353061&sr=1-3

I don't know how good it is, but my friend LOVED Jennifer's class and thought it really made a difference. Also, you could look for a Pilates instructor in your area that specializes in pregnancy.

I just started doing Pilates sessions for my grade 1 uterine prolapse and I really felt a difference after the first one. I didn't feel that heaviness for about a day and I'm assuming that the more I do it, the stronger and better I will feel. My instructor had never worked with someone with a prolapse before, but pelvic floor exercises are pelvic floor exercises! I am also getting ab work in there since all those muscles are connected and it feels sooooo good since I'd been avoiding ab work because I didn't want to make the prolapse worse!

Good luck and I hope that helps!
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My MW suggested doing kegels like crazy for a month and then we'll check in again. I need to read that Whole Woman site, too. She seemed surprised at the degree of prolapse I described after just one baby.

I'm a little scared, but hopeful.

Thank you for this thread and good luck to all.
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My MW suggested doing kegels like crazy for a month and then we'll check in again. I need to read that Whole Woman site, too. She seemed surprised at the degree of prolapse I described after just one baby.

I'm a little scared, but hopeful.

Thank you for this thread and good luck to all.
my mw didn't even believe me over the phone when i told her i could see my cervix hanging out of my body! it's gotten a lot better in the 8 months since birth. i do have trouble fully emptying my bladder and i have some strange pains sometimes, but nothing else is actually BOTHERING me. i know my cervix is low, but if i don't think about it, it's not a problem, so i'm trying to forget about it. and trying to do more exercises/improve my posture.

Wife to the man I never expected, DS born at home '07, '08, baby girl born at home Oct '09!
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