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New federal guidelines ask all females capable of conceiving a baby to treat themselves -- and to be treated by the health care system -- as pre-pregnant, regardless of whether they plan to get pregnant anytime soon.

Among other things, this means all women between first menstrual period and menopause should take folic acid supplements, refrain from smoking, maintain a healthy weight and keep chronic conditions such as asthma and diabetes under control.


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I suppose this is our response to the news of the high infant mortality rates here in the U.S.?

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Oh. I see it is. And what about the men? The other half of the genetic material? Where are their new guidelines?

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Break out the bubbles.

'Cause at 12 I was concerned with pre-conception.

WTF? We can't teach sex education but we can teach pre-conception care?
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Or is this prepping us for becoming baby factories once the New Order is put into effect?
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Or is this prepping us for becoming baby factories once the New Order is put into effect?
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Is that what I am reduced to? My whole life from onset of menses to menopause is about staying healthy because I "might" get pregnant. NOT. I've been pregnant a total of 2 times in my life and currently have been menstruating for 28 years. I have at least 5 more years before menopause, if I use my mom as a guildline to guess. They are freaking crazy if they think I am living almost 50% of life expectancy as a "pre pregnant" woman.
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I suppose this is our response to the news of the high infant mortality rates here in the U.S.?

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Oh. I see it is. And what about the men? The other half of the genetic material? Where are their new guidelines?
Of course, there's no talk of:

* Access to health care for ALL.
* Access to treatment for addiction.
* Environmental pollutants that affect IM rates.
* Access to birth control.

And a huge : on the menfolk issue, since smoking, drug use, etc., can fuck up sperm just as much as anything the mother does while pregnant.
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I don't see how this is a bad thing at all. It's recomending that women keep ourselves as healthy as possible- which is a good idea anyway! The only "addition" I really see here is the extra folic acid- change the recomendations from "pg and nursing women need 800 mcg of folic acid daily" to "all women of reproductive age need 800 mcg of folic acid daily" and I think we're covered.

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I really don't see it as a bad thing either, except that I agree men should be targeted too . . . in traditional societies both men and women of childbearing age ate a nutrient rich diet in order to produce healthy offspring. I do think that the "pop a few vitamins and you'll be healthy" mentality in our society needs revisiting, though.
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I don't see how this is a bad thing at all. It's recomending that women keep ourselves as healthy as possible- which is a good idea anyway!
yeah but i didn't really see much mention of *women's* health they seem to only be concerned with what comes out of women. like folic acid, it does more than prevent birth defects. but the benefit to the woman's health isn't important enough to discuss i guess.
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No - its not a bad thing to be healthy at all - of course its a good thing to be healthy. But there is an insidiousness behind this that is sickening.

I take GREAT offense to is the goverment's position that my body is a baby making machine. That they mandate that I should always be primed for childbearing makes me :Puke
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No - its not a bad thing to be healthy at all - of course its a good thing to be healthy. But there is an insidiousness behind this that is sickening.

I take GREAT offense to is the goverment's position that my body is a baby making machine. That they mandate that I should always be primed for childbearing makes me :Puke
Yup. This same government is working on reducing availability and access to contraception. Sex ed in many places is reduced to abstenence-only lectures with false "data" about failure rates in common prophylactics like condoms. I don't want them to start an act-like-you're-pregnant campaign to get people to be healthy.

There are other reasons to be healthy. How's about mentioning those instead?
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SO are they going to make smoking and drinking illegal for women?

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Of course, there's no talk of:

* Access to health care for ALL.
* Access to treatment for addiction.
* Environmental pollutants that affect IM rates.
* Access to birth control.

And a huge : on the menfolk issue, since smoking, drug use, etc., can fuck up sperm just as much as anything the mother does while pregnant.
Couldn't have said it better myself. It's very sexist to focus only on the woman here, as she represents on half of what is needed to make a baby. Men's genes and lifestyles can be and sometimes are deciding factors in the outcome of a child's health. These "guidlines" are laughable, because there is no doubt in my mind that anyone save SOME healthcare professionals will take them seriously. And anyone who does needs to get their head checked.

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I am so *insert explative that starts with the letter F* disgusted by that article. Are we REALLY going back to the idea that a woman is only as good as her reproduction? REALLY? And that we should be unfairly targets over men in areas of addiction?

Cause I know plenty of women who miscarried because their boyfriends were pot smokers in the extreme and they miscarried in large part do to malformed sperm. So where is the men's initiative to preparenthood? Huh? Where the info on how they should ALWAYS from their 1st wet dream abstain from alcohol, and drug use, and tobacco? HM? Where's that?

I'm sorry, this whole article pisses me off and puts all the responsibility for infant mortality rates on women. Especially low income black women based on the higher rates amongst that group.

It's pure patriarchial BS. Don't look at the root cause of the problem. Look at the women. It's all their fault anyway!

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I don't see any problem with the advice, just with the way it is presented. Women should do all of these things because it is good for them.
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But they aren't saying women should do it because it's good for women. They are suggesting it because it's good for a fetus which may or may not ever exist.

It's lonely being the only XX in a house of XYs.
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But they aren't saying women should do it because it's good for women. They are suggesting it because it's good for a fetus which may or may not ever exist.
I know, that's why I have a problem with the article!
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But they aren't saying women should do it because it's good for women. They are suggesting it because it's good for a fetus which may or may not ever exist.
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I know, that's why I have a problem with the article!
Sorry, didn't mean to jump on you. It just hit this already pregnant woman wrong. The article has me seeing more than just red. I think I've entered UV mode.

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The Handmaid's Tale, anyone?
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I love it : Keep vomiting out idea after idea with no plan what so ever to actually make the the ideas work.

And little ones taking folic acid?? I am figuring there will be a day when all young girls will come home with a booklet "Preparing Your Body for Baby Making"


Oh the other hand, letting girls AND boys know from the moment a woman starts her period she CAN have a baby may help them to remember to use protection everytime they have sex. Because it is true, you can concive at any age as long as you have had your period.
But, let ME be the one to tell my DD that, I dont want some organization to shove it on her when she is 8, KWIM?
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If you click on the name of the writer, you can send them an email.
I also emailed the Washington Post....off to find addresses for those who released the information....
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Contact info is given at the end of the article for Merry-K. Moos and several others...
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The Handmaid's Tale, anyone?
Yeah, I'm waiting for congressmen to start being gunned down on the capital steps. I don't think they'd do the whole assembly.
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