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Genetic testing later showed the woman’s body converted the codeine to morphine more rapidly and completely than in other people. That led to higher-than-expected morphine levels in her breast milk.
I for one lived on codeine a few times in my life with a nursling, the last time being a few weeks after #4 was born and I got a nasty UTI/bladder/uti infection.

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Thanks for posting this. The FDA just totally lost credibility with me when they posted all of those warnings about the "dangers" of domperidone as a galactagogue (sp). Now whenever they post a warning I just wonder who paid them to do it.
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Now whenever they post a warning I just wonder who paid them to do it.
Isn't this so true?

How sad is it that we don't have government agencies protecting our health? In fact, whenever theypost anything against a drug company, I think to myself, "Oops! X drug company must've missed a payment!"
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umm..lovely.
wait..theyre supposed to test drugs before letting them on the market. what is this in the last couple years? "oops" : sheesh..

or yeah i could totally see the "they forgot the payment" type deal too and i dont know which is worse, honestly....
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Then why do they give morphine to new moms?

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I am allergic to codeine, so I always get something stronger to begin with. I think ithat watching a nursing infant for signs of side effects is kind of a no brainer, but it sounds like a good reminder.
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Then why do they give morphine to new moms?
Because they can. Sometimes in the epidural, afaik.

Strange but true.

Then they give them benedryl for the side effects...fun.

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I think the statement is ridiculous. Of course you should watch a baby for side effects, when the nursing mother is on narcotics. DUH!

A lot of birth trauma occurs in this country (csecs/episiotomies/forceps/vacuums/etc), and many moms are on painkillers because of the birth! Watch the newborns! OK.
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I think this is one of the more sensible reports to come from the FDA. Especially if you happen to be North African, Ethiopian or Saudi! In those cases, hopefully Dr's will be more careful about giving codeine, and can monitor the patients more.

It's good to hear medicine is taking into account individual differences.

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I was prescribed tylenol with codeine after DD#3 was born. I never took it though because my pain was manageable without it. It seemed to me as though it was pretty routinely prescribed after childbirth at the hospital where I delivered.
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Because they can. Sometimes in the epidural, afaik.
Yes. I was given morphine with my second section, because I agreed to it. When I thought about it afterwards, I decided I didn't want my babies exposed to it, and didn't want to go through the hellish itching again, so I planned to refuse it if I ended up in OR again. I didn't get the chance, as the anesthesiologist put it in my spinal without asking/telling me.

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I was prescribed tylenol with codeine after DD#3 was born. I never took it though because my pain was manageable without it. It seemed to me as though it was pretty routinely prescribed after childbirth at the hospital where I delivered.
Same here. In fact, after both of my sections, it was pushed aggressively by nurses. My dh actually had to be pretty firm about my wishes at the door of my room. They just couldn't understand that the pain could be managed without codeine. I am so glad I never took it, and it's just terrible that mothers have been told that it's safe (in the past).
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Same here. In fact, after both of my sections, it was pushed aggressively by nurses. My dh actually had to be pretty firm about my wishes at the door of my room. They just couldn't understand that the pain could be managed without codeine. I am so glad I never took it, and it's just terrible that mothers have been told that it's safe (in the past).
Same here and I didn't even have a section. I had about the most smooth delivery that anyone could hope for and they still tried to give it to me. I was just fine with Motrin.
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I didn't get the chance, as the anesthesiologist put it in my spinal without asking/telling me.
Ahhh! Nothing like informed consent, is there!?

Storm Bride, I am so sorry that happened to you.

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Ahhh! Nothing like informed consent, is there!?

Storm Bride, I am so sorry that happened to you.
You know...until I started posting here, and joined ICAN, I'd never fully realized how much of my difficulty dealing with my sections was rooted in this kind total disregard of me as a person when I was in the hospital. I knew about some of it (I figured out about the morphine when the itching started, for example), but some it only came to light when I got my records. I've also received sedatives without my knowledge or consent. It's quite mind-boggling to me that hospitals and staff think there's anything acceptable about drugging patients without even telling us, let alone asking.

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yes, that always amazes me.

Women are told not to drink wine, beer, or take asprin for the nine months of pregnancy, even through the terrible throes of morning sickness, lest they damage the precious babies they carry. Conscientious women follow the rules. Once the medical establishment gets the women's signatures on those consent forms, the most hideous, powerful drugs are pumped into their spinal columns and veins with side-effects to counter the other side-effects. It is a wonder that most woman and babies survive the insult to their health and go on to live a life. The human body is a marvelous organism.

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