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The American State Department has withdrawn all Fulbright grants to Palestinian students in Gaza hoping to pursue advanced degrees at American institutions this fall because Israel has not granted them permission to leave.

Israel has isolated this coastal strip, which is run by the militant group Hamas. Given that policy, the United States Consulate in Jerusalem said the grant money had been “redirected” to students elsewhere out of concern that it would go to waste if the Palestinian students were forced to remain in Gaza.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/30/wo...hp&oref=slogin

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Yes, this will really help the Palestinians. :

In fairness, not all Israelis agree with this act... but I find it maddening that any do.

Even if Israel changes it's mine... the money is gone according to the article. The Fulbright winners can reapply next year, of course. :

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She, like her six colleagues, was in disbelief. Mr. Abdullah, who called the consulate in Jerusalem for further explanation after receiving his letter, said to the official on the other end, “I still cannot believe that the American administration is not able to convince the Israelis to let seven Palestinians out of Gaza.”

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That is just horrible! I don't know anything about these grants.. but to be awarded one and to have it canceled like that would be like watching your dreams go down the toilet. I think the US should have made sure these students were allowed to leave to attend college rather than giving the money to someone else.

I would like to know what other students the money was given to.
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That is awful.




Am hoping this is just a case of one hand not knowing what the other is doing. Which is unfortunately a common problem in Israel. Because it doesn't make any sense. It's not like no one leaves Gaza ... Gazans pass into Israel for medical treatement daily. There's no logic to this.





But beyind that, what I don't understand is, why aren't they now appealing to the Egyptians for passage through Egypt? Gaza shares a border with Egypt as well.
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Am hoping this is just a case of one hand not knowing what the other is doing. Which is unfortunately a common problem in Israel. Because it doesn't make any sense. It's not like no one leaves Gaza ... Gazans pass into Israel for medical treatement daily. There's no logic to this.
Partially true. A *very few* Gazans pass into Israel for medical treatment daily. Many more die waiting or are turned away during the process of border checks, even with valid papers.
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Partially true. A *very few* Gazans pass into Israel for medical treatment daily. Many more die waiting or are turned away during the process of border checks, even with valid papers.

According to WHO: In 2007, more than 7,000 patients from Gaza received permits to enter Israel for care, a 40-some-odd percent from the 4,900 admitted in 2006,

So are you saying that 20 Gazans a day ... 7000 a year ... are dying because they're not getting medical care in Israel?

I'd like to see some proof of that number, because that's a pretty intense accusation.
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But beyind that, what I don't understand is, why aren't they now appealing to the Egyptians for passage through Egypt? Gaza shares a border with Egypt as well.
I think any appeals are useless at this point. They've already reassigned the funds.

As far as I understand the Egyptian-Gazan border has been pretty much closed since Hamas took over control of Gaza in 2007.

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According to WHO: In 2007, more than 7,000 patients from Gaza received permits to enter Israel for care, a 40-some-odd percent from the 4,900 admitted in 2006,

So are you saying that 20 Gazans a day ... 7000 a year ... are dying because they're not getting medical care in Israel?

I'd like to see some proof of that number, because that's a pretty intense accusation.
See Human Rights Watch, International Middle East Media Center, and WHO EMRO. The Palestinian healthcare situation is well-documented.
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So, in a new article, it seems the students may have a chance. They're also saying that those existing scholarships are being given to students in the West Bank.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/...ght/index.html

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U.S. officials are pressing Israel to give exit visas to Palestinians who have won Fulbright scholarships, State Department spokesman Tom Casey said Friday.

"We would think frankly that a decision to let people who have been vetted for what is perhaps the most prestigious foreign education program run by the United States, certainly the most prestigious one run by the U.S. government -- it ought to be falling off a log for them to do this," Casey said.

"We certainly hope they will ultimately come forward with the necessary exit visas to be able to allow these individuals to go forward and continue on with their program."

Fulbright winners need exit visas from Israel to go to the U.S. Consulate for an interview and then to travel to the United States.

Barrios said earlier that neither the State Department-sponsored Fulbright program nor any other U.S. government exchange program was being canceled for Gazans.

In a short letter from the consulate, the Gaza students were told that U.S. government would "not be able to finalize" their scholarships for 2008 and that they would need to apply again if they wanted to be considered in 2009.

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See Human Rights Watch, International Middle East Media Center, and WHO EMRO. The Palestinian healthcare situation is well-documented.


First, the WHO report you link to has been seriously disputed by Israel. The people who put the report together based it entirely on testimony of Hamas officials and Palestinian sources. If they would have at all even asked the Coordination & Liaison Administration, which oversees the interaction between the various aid organizations and the border crossings, or anyone at all for the Israeli side of the story, they would have found further information.

In re the five specific cases they list in the WHO report as per your link:

1. Mona Nofel - a cancer patient, whose exit [for treatment] was arranged on
three separate occasions and who was treated in Israel in July 2007, August
2007 and October 2007. She died in Gaza as a result of her disease.

2. Fatma Abed Alaal's request was approved by the Coordination & Liaison
Administration in November 2007. A message regarding her case was delivered to a Palestinian health representative, but the woman never arrived and no other requests were made.

3. Kassem Harara's request to be allowed to go to Egypt for medical treatment was approved and coordinated by the Coordination & Liaison Administration back in July 2007. Since then no repeat/additional requests were reported.

4. Amir Yazji - a request regarding the boy was sent to the Coordination &
Liaison Administration on November 18, 2007 and his exit was approved that
same day. At the request of the Palestinians, his exit was delayed until the
next day due to a deterioration in his medical condition, as determined by the
attending physician in Gaza.

5. Mahmoud Abu-Taha arrived at the Erez crossing and was denied exit at that time due to concrete security warnings. Eventually he went to a hospital in Israel for medical treatment and died there.


Nowhere in the WHO report is there any mention of Hamas' constant mortar fire directed at the crossings. Is that supposed to be helpful, the rocket fire? They know that when the rockets fire, the border closes to everything in response, and it delays anything getting in or out (and yes, supplies are constantly going in).

There was also no mention in the report of the May 2007 incident when two women arrived at the Erez crossing under the pretext of travelling to a hospital in Ramallah, but they were actually on their way to commit suicide attacks in Netanya and Tel Aviv. They were arrested and are both still alive ... along with all the people they would have murdered had they not been intercepted.

Which is why there are any delays in the first place.









The "International ME Media Center" is a Palestinian website of absolute propoganda. Nothing remotely even attempting balance there.







And even your HRW link refers to 3 deaths ... not nearly the exaggerated numbers of your post, which I had questioned ...

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I agree with you that the whole situation is a nightmare for the Gazan population. I agree with you that they should have the right to solid healthcare (yes, this is at the Israeli taxpayers' expense) if they can't get it in Gaza. Where we disagree is that I don't believe that anyone who wants to cross the border automatically ipso facto gets to cross it. Because too many rockets are coming over that border, and too many people trying to murder civilians are coming over that border, and every single bleepin' country in the world has the right to ensure that its population isn't targeted by people trying to harm them, and since history has shown that there are people who exploit the medical passes in order to murder innocents, well, that's where we've ended up.






Looking forward to peace so that this all can end.
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What a shame. If there is ANYTHING we need more of, it's education. And having educated Palestinians who see the world and have a sense of American life and know how the west works is absolutely invaluable to us all working together. I hope this gets worked out.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/02/wo...html?ref=world

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The American State Department has reinstated seven Fulbright grants offered to Palestinians in Gaza for advanced study in the United States, reversing a decision to withdraw the scholarships because of Israel’s ban on Palestinians’ leaving Gaza for study abroad.

The American Consulate in Jerusalem sent e-mail messages on Sunday night to all seven telling them it was “working closely” with Israeli officials to secure them exit permits. Maj. Peter Lerner, spokesman for the Israeli Defense Ministry’s office of civilian affairs, said the Gazans would be granted permits after individual security checks.
Good! Seems all of the publicity played a part.

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Like the others who got the good news on Sunday, however, he said he could not be truly happy until the other 600 or so Gazans with grants to study abroad also got out.

Major Lerner said that the policy toward study abroad for Gazans was under review and could change, but that the case of the seven Fulbright scholars was accelerated. He cited their tight timetable, but it seems likely that the political pressure played a role.

Sari Bashi, who runs an Israeli organization called Gisha, which focuses on the free movement of Palestinians, said that while the group welcomed the decision to let out the seven Fulbright winners, “Gisha calls on Israel to allow all Palestinian students accepted to universities abroad to exercise their right to leave Gaza and access education, in order to obtain the tools they need to build a better future in the region.”

On Monday, Israel’s Supreme Court will hear petitions brought by Gisha on behalf of two students seeking exit permits for study programs in Germany and Britain. Since January, Ms. Bashi said, almost no students have gotten out of Gaza for such study.
Hoping it changes for all of the students trying to study abroad.

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Grants gone again (for three of them).

Three of them turned back at the US border as security risks which the State Department refused to elaborate on for the moment.
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