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After reading numerous MDC hsing threads, it seems to me that it is a general opinion that school (regular public) stifles a child's natural curiosity for learning  and creativity. I must confess, this is one of the reasons we did not want our dc to attend ps. For those who have dc in a regular public school, do you feel that school has made your dc less creative than they could otherwise be or have lost a love for learning?

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No. My kids are in 6th and 10th grades and they are **** highly creative and never faultered in their love of learning. They've gone to schools that encouraged creative thinking and the arts. They've been exposed to fascinating things like foriegn languages, world cultures, horticulture, engineering, ballroom dancing, greek mythology, and the list goes on. I can't tell you how many times they've raced home to learn more about something they discovered in school.

 

There was a period when DD felt like she was "bad in math" because she could barely pass the speed drills in 3rd and 4th grade. I didn't like that. However, that was a little blip we worked through and once algebra and the likes started, she had to accept that yes, being 2 grades ahead in the curriulum for your age means you are actually GOOD in math. I wouldn't have given up everything she's gotten in school because we didn't like timed math tests way back when.

 

I think the issue is really less about sending kids to school and more about the home environment changing once kids are IN school. During the preschool years, kids are encouraged to learn at home in their own style. Once elementary starts, lots of families sort of turn that off. If home is still a place where kids explore then they will continue to do so. I'm not talking about "afterschooling" where you purposely try to teach more. I'm talking about leaving the door open for extended study, taking interest in what they are learning in school and showing them ways to get more info if they want, encouraging them to pursue individual interests, ect.


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After reading numerous MDC hsing threads, it seems to me that it is a general opinion that school (regular public) stifles a child's natural curiosity for learning  and creativity. I must confess, this is one of the reasons we did not want our dc to attend ps. For those who have dc in a regular public school, do you feel that school has made your dc less creative than they could otherwise be or have lost a love for learning?



Short answer--No.  Public school is only one option in the quest for answers and knowledge.  Education is for a lifetime and doesn't stop when the last school bell rings.  We have always said "I don't know.  Let's find out" when the kids have asked us questions.  And they were/are encouraged to question everything.  The down side is that, in high school, our girls were the kids that teachers either hated or loved.  Dh and I are also always learning and they see that.  You never stop learning.  The Internet and Goggle has made that easier but discernment is needed to weed out the wrong from the right information.

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I think the issue is really less about sending kids to school and more about the home environment changing once kids are IN school. During the preschool years, kids are encouraged to learn at home in their own style. Once elementary starts, lots of families sort of turn that off. If home is still a place where kids explore then they will continue to do so. I'm not talking about "afterschooling" where you purposely try to teach more. I'm talking about leaving the door open for extended study, taking interest in what they are learning in school and showing them ways to get more info if they want, encouraging them to pursue individual interests, ect.


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One of my kids really learns best in a group. Rather than traditional education turning her off to learning, it turned learning into a game, a game she wanted to win.

 

Our public school had a wonderful art teacher, and creative classroom teachers. I know it's the not the case everywhere, but in our school, school wasn't stifling at all. Kids had lots of ways to express themselves. It was common to kids to do a wrap up project at the end of unit, and it could pretty much anything -- from putting on a skit with friends to making a power point presentation to writing a report to building a diorama. 

 

My other DD has special needs and the public school, while wonderful in many ways, wasn't a great fit for her. She did have chances to be creative, but she overall was so overwhelmed that she really couldn't focus on learning. An alternative school is more ideal for her than a traditional school, and in our case it was easier to do that privately than publicly. However, the kind of program she is in *some* public school districts offer. 

 

I think you could re-read your thread to ask about traditional school, because I think that's what you are getting at. Many private schools are still traditional schools, and some public schools aren't traditional (there are charters, magnets and alternative schools that are public)

 

 


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I think the issue is really less about sending kids to school and more about the home environment changing once kids are IN school. During the preschool years, kids are encouraged to learn at home in their own style. Once elementary starts, lots of families sort of turn that off. If home is still a place where kids explore then they will continue to do so. I'm not talking about "afterschooling" where you purposely try to teach more. I'm talking about leaving the door open for extended study, taking interest in what they are learning in school and showing them ways to get more info if they want, encouraging them to pursue individual interests, ect.


But, do you feel that kids in traditional ps have enough time to explore outside of school? I have heard many times from parents that school plus homework. plus the usual one to two extra curricular activities just about maxes out kids time. Also, do your dc attend a traditional school. With the subjects your mentioned, sounds like some other type of school? However, I'm only familiar with our area ps elementary, which is JUST THE BASICS....

 

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I think you could re-read your thread to ask about traditional school, because I think that's what you are getting at. Many private schools are still traditional schools, and some public schools aren't traditional (there are charters, magnets and alternative schools that are public)

 

 



I say traditional ps, because in our state (WA) we don't have charter, public motessori, waldorf, art or science based elementary schools. And I'm not including private schools because in our area there is a huge variation between the privates and the public. And it is getting VERY FRUSTRATING, reading about all these positive school experiences that other dc have.... then I think maybe school would be the best option for my dc. Only to find out these positive experiences are at some alternative school or private. The only option my dc have is traditional public or hsing.

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I say traditional ps, because in our state (WA) we don't have charter, public motessori, waldorf, art or science based elementary schools. And I'm not including private schools because in our area there is a huge variation between the privates and the public. And it is getting VERY FRUSTRATING, reading about all these positive school experiences that other dc have.... then I think maybe school would be the best option for my dc. Only to find out these positive experiences are at some alternative school or private. The only option my dc have is traditional public or hsing.


you are posting on an international message board, not a washing state board.

 

My kids have homeschooled, attended a traditional public school, and currently attend a private alternative school. My post on this thread was ONLY about their experience in a traditional public school, which was really good in many, many ways.

 


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I hope PS doesn't stifle creativity, since that's where my kids are headed!  Of course, I believe that creativity and love of learning should be things that happen in the home, as well as at school.  Is Washington a 'school of choice' state?  In Colorado, we get to pick which school our children attend (not necessarily the neighborhood school).  I think the individual school can make a huge difference in a child's love of learning!



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I think you could re-read your thread to ask about traditional school, because I think that's what you are getting at. Many private schools are still traditional schools, and some public schools aren't traditional (there are charters, magnets and alternative schools that are public)

  


I think this is a great point, Linda, but I'm not even sure that will give the OP the answer she needs. My DC attends a public school that is the only elementary school in our district. It is huge and appears quite traditional on the surface, but they have great teachers, a terrific principal, and seem to use a really good curriculum.  Since it is so large, they are able to have full-time, well-trained arts, music and computer instructors who are really doing terrific, creative projects with the children. And the teachers in the traditional subjects are great about encouraging the kids enthusiasm and curiosity.

 

For example, my son absolutely loves science and was always very curious in class, so his first-grade teacher nominated him for a science exploration club where he could research and do projects on science topics that interested him with the help of the school librarian/media specialist. It was a terrific experience for him, but it was one that I don't think he would have been able to have had he been at a smaller school with fewer resources. At the very small private elementary school I attended, our classroom teacher was also our art teacher, our librarian, and our computer teacher. There just would have been no one extra to run special programs like the one my son benefited from.

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But, do you feel that kids in traditional ps have enough time to explore outside of school? I have heard many times from parents that school plus homework. plus the usual one to two extra curricular activities just about maxes out kids time. Also, do your dc attend a traditional school. With the subjects your mentioned, sounds like some other type of school? However, I'm only familiar with our area ps elementary, which is JUST THE BASICS....

 


 

I'll start by saying our district is in a rural pocket... lower middle to middle class. We have a pretty average population with  My eldest was in a traditional school from K-8th grade and a specialty public school for high school. My DS went to a non-traditional public school in the same district from k-5 and will be entering a traditional middle school (though does offer electives to continue the skills he developed in elemmentary.) Both had opportunities to explore the arts through theatre, dance, fine art, choir, orchestra and band DURING school hours. Both had mini-sports leagues during lunch periods if they wanted to try different sports. Science and academic teams often met 0 period (optional period before school.) I can't tell you how many costumes we threw together for living history programs.  I could go on. This isn't a "special" district in our area. We work on a lower budget than most of the county. Much of what is offered is volunteered by the staff, community businesses or parents.  

 

My kids are busy but that doesn't mean they are less creative or have less opportunity to learn does it? They learn in school. Some subjects they adore. Other subjects not so much but then who loves EVERY subject? Only in 5th and 8th grades has homework even been noticable and that is because they are prepping for a new campus. Outside of school they still have time to read, to do their interest based activities, to try new things, to be bored. What they don't do is watch TV and spend endless hours on the computer. They budget their time wisely. When they want a more relaxed schedule, they take a break from outside activities. Yes, some periods we are constantly on the go but karate IS learning. Theatre IS learning. Piano IS learning. It's learning what THEY want to learn and isn't that the whole point?


 


 

 

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My children attend a STEM charter--'traditional' ps, but with leeway in how things get done. Dd will continue with dance one day a week outside of school and we're going to try ds in tumbling since he's interested in it, but he hasn't taken to structured/team activities outside of school. If he has nothing after school and does his 15minutes of homework, he has at least1.5 hours of unstructured time after school (not counting travel/dinner/bathtime)--and large blocks of time on the weekends. Ds does value his down time and having it impacts his behavior so we are mindful of that.

 

Ds was only in "regular" ps for a year and I did tire of seeing the walls full of virtually identical art projects;and remembering the time and money sucking "family" art projects sent home on the weekends makes me Cuss.gif. That said, I don't think you can make blanket judgements about any type of school. I think that the teachers and administration have a lot to do with the experience at a particular school.

 

Ds doesn't do well if he isn't allowed to do his own thing often enough (related to his SNs) and this school seems to accommodate that better.


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My kids are busy but that doesn't mean they are less creative or have less opportunity to learn does it? They learn in school. Some subjects they adore. Other subjects not so much but then who loves EVERY subject? .... What they don't do is watch TV and spend endless hours on the computer. They budget their time wisely. When they want a more relaxed schedule, they take a break from outside activities.
 


 

Loved your post. My kids were doing very cool things at school while attending traditional school. One of my kiddos could squeeze in her homework in the car, during play rehearsal, etc. When I hear a family say that their kids don't have time to love learning or be creative because of school and their activities, I question if the child is in the right activities for them, or if what they really mean is they don't have time to watch TV.

 

I also find that often my kids' activity time is our family time. This weekend we have a swim meet. That is our family fun activity. DH and I will be there, supporting the kids and holding hands.

 

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yes to this too. My other DD needs things calmer, lots calmer. The schedule that her sister THRIVES on would send her around the bend. So we are mindful of that. She's only in one outside thing at a time during the school year, and sometimes takes sessions off. We do what is right for each kid.

 


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I don't think that my children's creativity has been stifled by being in school, either public or private.  Actually, I find that in their PS experiences now, they are exposed to far more than in ps.  My kids have art, music, dance residencies, foreign language, parents who bring in specialized crafting projects on a fairly routine basis, knitting club, 4h club, chorus, musical instument instruction, if they choose, radio and engineering...I could go on.  There's a lot, and with the exception of renting/buying instruments, there is little to no cost.  

 

I also think they have time to pursue outside interests--both of my kids have some fairly specific interests and manage to have time for them during the week.  For my middle schooler, there is a bit of a crunch when projects are due, etc., but realistically, it's not too bad, and it's a lesson in time management and choices.  I don't see the downside of that.

 

We're very aware of kids needing downtime, and we're protective of family time, weekend family activities...when it's to much we pull everyone in and take a break.

 

I have hs'ed, and I have to say that what's available to my kids on a routine, easily accessible basis in the ps system is of good quality.  I find that the teachers (it's almost always teacher led) are pretty passionate about what they're offering to the kids.

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But, do you feel that kids in traditional ps have enough time to explore outside of school? I have heard many times from parents that school plus homework. plus the usual one to two extra curricular activities just about maxes out kids time. Also, do your dc attend a traditional school. With the subjects your mentioned, sounds like some other type of school? However, I'm only familiar with our area ps elementary, which is JUST THE BASICS....

 

Kids spend 6.5 hours a day 5 days a week in school here so even if they sleep for 12 hours a night (not something that many school age children do) they still have 5.5 hours a day for exploring the world and their interests in their own ways plus the weekends, holidays, and summers.  Homework shouldn't take up copious amounts of time, and if it does you should look at why and talk to your child's teacher about it.  In our schools the children get an hour and fifteen minutes of recess daily and about an hour a day of specials like library, PE, Music, and Health so they have a lot of time to freely explore as children and to get in touch with creativity and movement.  The district also has guidelines for homework so kids aren't swamped with busy work at home.

 

I student taught in a school that seemed to be all about the basics, but the teachers brought in assignments to help students look at things creatively through discovery based learning, they built creative choice assignments into the curriculum so students could represent their learning in a way that made sense to them, and many of the teachers set aside a large block of time for art.  The teachers were great about fostering independence and creative thinking on a daily basis and they attended a lot of classes on the side to become more engaging teachers.

 

I really suggest not basing a schooling decision on what the other parents are saying.  I have found that what other parents say about a child care center, school, or teacher is usually based on how well they think their child did in the class, how well behaved their child is in class, or how much the teacher allowed the parent to push them around.  The ratings I have had from other parents have had no bearing on how well my child does in the same setting.

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But, do you feel that kids in traditional ps have enough time to explore outside of school? I have heard many times from parents that school plus homework. plus the usual one to two extra curricular activities just about maxes out kids time. Also, do your dc attend a traditional school. With the subjects your mentioned, sounds like some other type of school? However, I'm only familiar with our area ps elementary, which is JUST THE BASICS....

 


My kids attend a traditional PS (although it does seem to be pretty up to date.). They are also quite young(lower elementary) so this is subject to change lol. So far the short answer is no.  I think a lot really depends on the parents though. HS does allow for more free time in many cases but it's how that free time is being used that matters. Same thing with School.  My kids watch hardly any TV during the school year, they play almost no video games,(ok not counting this past year when we were burried under 6ft of snow for months on end lol) and we are careful about how many activities  they are enrolled in. I feel at their ages it's more important for them to have free time to play then it is to be in 100 different activities. By cutting down on these things it allows quite a bit of free time a day. I don't feel bad about cutting down on activities either because they do get art, music, gym etc in school. They also get a lot of days off. lol Like I don't know how people work with school age kids and not get fired. lol  

 

Learning never stops at school and they are excited about what they learn in school and come home and share it. . We are always exploring, asking questions , reading books, discussing them, doing crafts, etc. etc.  I think that sets them up for self education which is really what people need to become truly educated individuals. We still have time to go to the library every week or two, we go places on the weekends. To me it's freeing and I enjoy more because I'm not worried about how much they are learning. lol We just do things. If they learn something AWESOME if not whatever. No pressure no stress I know the basics are being covered in school. Homework does not take that much time. If it does in the elementary years I think it should be discussed with the teacher. Kids need down time to play and explore.  Parents do matter, I think where our kids are being educated (barring horrible abusive situations) doesn't always matter all that much. It's the parents and our parenting that matters. E.I. if you think play time is important you will make time for it for your family, same thing with creativity, and anything else. :) 

 

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Learning never stops at school and they are excited about what they learn in school and come home and share it. . We are always exploring, asking questions , reading books, discussing them, doing crafts, etc. etc.  I think that sets them up for self education which is really what people need to become truly educated individuals. We still have time to go to the library every week or two, we go places on the weekends. To me it's freeing and I enjoy more because I'm not worried about how much they are learning. lol We just do things. If they learn something AWESOME if not whatever. No pressure no stress I know the basics are being covered in school. Homework does not take that much time. If it does in the elementary years I think it should be discussed with the teacher. Kids need down time to play and explore.  Parents do matter, I think where our kids are being educated (barring horrible abusive situations) doesn't always matter all that much. It's the parents and our parenting that matters. E.I. if you think play time is important you will make time for it for your family, same thing with creativity, and anything else. :)

 

Ds is always asking questions based on things discussed in school or just the world around him. Yesterday we had to leave the pool because of thunder and lightening which prompted a lot of questions from ds, and he was talking out his understanding of weather. In some things ds is 2-3 years ahead of the level at which it is being covered in school, so we compensate at home.

 

I went to traditional public schools and it was a bad fit for me, but most everyone else seemed to be enjoying it. I was much happier in college.

 


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do you feel that school has made your dc less creative than they could otherwise be or have lost a love for learning?


Absolutely, 100%... not. While my two haven't been in elementary/middle school in quite a while (a senior in HS and a sophomore in college), I am very pleased with the job their schools did. The teachers and staff were all there because they liked kids, and wanted to teach them and help them reach their fullest potentials. Therefore, they made a point of providing lots of opportunities for creative thinking, new ways of looking at issues and tasks, new experiences, etc. despite a traditional curriculum/model. Outside of school was time for us to spend together, one way or another. Homework was never an onerous issue.

 

My youngest is in a science-based magnet, where everything is taught on a college level, the kids do independent research, there is a lot of field time where they put their book-learning into practice. Yes, there is a lot of homework, but it doesn't preclude involvement in outside activities. My daughter and all of her friends are involved in some activity or another (often more than one) at their home HSs or outside - be it band, sports, drama, music, a p/t job, whatever.

 

My son went to our home HS, took a full load of AP classes, plus was involved in numerous activities - drama, chorus, a chorale outside of school, piano/guitar/composition lessons, lit mag, lath league, physics team - and worked p/t. All of those were voluntary involvements. Now, he's loving being in college because there's that much more that he can learn and experience.

 

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After reading numerous MDC hsing threads, it seems to me that it is a general opinion that school (regular public) stifles a child's natural curiosity for learning  and creativity. I must confess, this is one of the reasons we did not want our dc to attend ps. For those who have dc in a regular public school, do you feel that school has made your dc less creative than they could otherwise be or have lost a love for learning?


Short answer - No, but my DC is still quite young in just finishing up with k4 this year.  I think Whatsnextmom said it best in her first post, that really it's not just school which fosters that love of learning/creativity, but the home environment outside of school.

 

For myself - I think my DC has found outlets for his creativity (storytelling and drawing) with some more structure in the classroom than we were able to provide consistently at home because of his younger sibling at the time.  Overall I'm not sweating the small stuff with his kindergarten years in terms of losing his love of learning, because right now he loves school and that's works for me.


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Untrue.  While charters are not allowed in WA state there are indeed montessori and science based programs in some districts (districts are *highly* diverse in the state, which unfortunately can be crappy sometimes).  My own children attend a parent co-op based program in a WA state school.  In my town (though not in my district) they are getting ready to build a science school.  You have to sometimes look beyond "Montessori public" or "charter school".  What they are often called around here is "alternative education."  At least in the districts closest to me, including my own.
 

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I say traditional ps, because in our state (WA) we don't have charter, public motessori, waldorf, art or science based elementary schools. And I'm not including private schools because in our area there is a huge variation between the privates and the public. And it is getting VERY FRUSTRATING, reading about all these positive school experiences that other dc have.... then I think maybe school would be the best option for my dc. Only to find out these positive experiences are at some alternative school or private. The only option my dc have is traditional public or hsing.



 

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My 2 oldest were in traditional public schools and still are in HS.  My 17 yo dd is incredibly creative.  One of her strengths is thinking outside the box.  My ds1 hasn't got a creative bone in his body.  Never has.  At 15 his favorite reading material are Guiness book of world Records boos, and if he's watching TV chances are it's a documentary of some type.  My ds2 floundered in traditional public school but it was more a product of the group dynamics of his particular grade + his prsonality.  He still goes to ps but it is an experiental learning one.

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When my DS was in kindergarten, we were invited to a homeschooler's birthday party. All the other children were homeschooled, a lot of them together. The party included a craft--we made puppets. All the homeschoolers did a million crafts and were really good at the mechanical aspects of making the puppets--which all came out pretty much the same. My son, the public school boy who wasn't that coordinated, put together a really crazily great, out-there project. It looked Cubist. 

 

All the moms asked me about what were were doing for school. 

 

It obviously depends on the school and on the child and on your family, but I think public school education can be part of a creative child's overall preparation to invent and create. 


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Many of the world's greatest writers, musicians, artists, scientist and social leaders were publicly schooled in a traditional school setting.  I think that learning creativity is more about overall life experience, personality and perspective than about a particular educational exposure from any persuasion.  And it's about fit, too.  Some people thrive on creatively working within a set structure, in fact the structure may force them to find ways to creatively problem solve around a core concept that is different from their own.  I started my young adult life studying and working as a classical musician.  One of the funnest creative challenges was composing in counterpoint - because it was so structured that it was challenging to make it very much into my own work.  I think learning in a traditional setting can be like this for some people - and others may only be happy putting out the extremely experimental music, if you see what I mean.  I also think that if you have it in you, you will find a way to create regardless of the circumstances, given time and space one day.

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I think creativity or the propensity toward it is more or less inherited; in other words it's a trait that someone has sort of a natural inclination toward, or not. There are 'recipe' people and there are those that like to make up the dinner and could never repeat it twice. There is artistic talent and there is a lack. There are people with wonderful voices and those that sing flat.

 

If you are a really creative person you are likely going to flourish in any environment you are placed unless there are no resources, such as a prison or juvenile justice center or something.

 

Our children's schools, though rural and not wealthy, have given them a great balance of 'left brain' academics and 'right brain' artistic and creative opportunities. Art, music and theatre are all well supported and there is much participation locally. These things are also supported by a legion of parents that fundraise, bake and drive kids to and fro to make it all happen.

 

I would worry more if they didn't have these opportunities in their brick and mortar school.

 

 


 
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I was thinking about this thread today as I watched one of my kids play around in our community pool. She's a heck of a swimmer, and she got that way through swim practice -- drills where she is told what to do and pushed. She has spent so much time *working* at swimming this summer (and did awesome in a city wide meet yesterday!) that she's had very little time to just swim -- to just move around creatively in the water.

 

But she finally had the time -- and oh my, it was like watching a mermaid play. love.gif

 

I wondered how many other areas of life the same is true. Can a kid  write creatively if they aren't first taught how to just write? Can a kid think creatively about math if they aren't first taught how to just do math?

 

Sure, some of these things come more naturally to some kids than others, and like Lauren said, some people are more wired for creativity than others, but learning basic skills is often the foundation for being creative.

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Linda that's a great point. A creative musician couldn't be so unless s/he had spent hours and hours practicing to just get proficient on the instrument. And so on-- a creative mathematician would need to drill the basics at times. If that mathematician was self motivated to do that work without a teacher telling him/her that's great. But not everyone discovers this type of element in themselves unless they are exposed to it and sometimes asked to do repetition, which might seem stifling at first.


 
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I started my young adult career as a musician, and later, once I started working with people, did some work "on the side" work in knitwear design.  I'm always hearing from adults that "I can't draw", or "I have no musical talent" .  I think I agree with the above two posters.  I always felt that my "creativity" had more to do with hours a day of practicing my instrument and later on, hours of knitting and ripping out stitches.  Having the opportunity to study a broad range of basic skills in multiple fields makes a difference.


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And that's one of the things that is so nice for our family about a brick and mortar school -- the one stop shopping for academic subjects, music, art, computer skills, and even shop!


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My kid's been in our neighborhood public school since kindergarten (she'll be going into fifth grade in the fall). She spent the weekend making fairy houses in the park and our back yard with a friend. She makes up songs and writes stories and draws constantly. She's teaching herself to draw cutesy manga. I can't imagine school making her less creative -- that's just who she is.

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I haven't posted to this thread yet because I have a couple of disparate but possibly related thoughts that I wanted to combine into some kind of coherent comment. I don't think I've managed to do that in my mind, so I'm going to set them out and see where they lead (how creative, right ?! orngtongue.gif ). 

 

1. I think the concern about traditional schooling is that there tend to be forces that work against creativity. Schools have routines, and thus a certain lack of spontaneity. If a child is pursuing a creative impulse, keeping to a schedule may force them away before they've exhausted the impulse (oh, those school bells!). Conformity in the classroom, in terms of achieving curriculum requirements and teaching to the test, can prevent valuable learning detours into fascinating tangential areas. Rigid teachers can inhibit. Peer influence and group think can likewise inhibit.  OTOH, school may provide exposure to different areas of interest that aren't covered by a child's family and a diverse community. There have been a lot of great posts in this thread about schools that nurture creativity and love of learning, so I'm not going to repeat all of that. 

 

2. I came across this interesting report of a study about self-regulation in pre-school children using games like Simon Says and other follow-the-leader games. Self-regulation is a higher order executive function. It's the capacity to pay attention and follow through on completing a task. The study examines academic outcomes, but it seems to me that self-regulation is also necessary for the aspiring creator. Spontaneity and creative impulse are all well and good, but without self-regulation, they will result in a lot of frustration and abandoned projects. Sometimes, when homeschoolers are concerned about their children being "stuck" and unable to progress despite apparent ability, I think self-regulation is a possible issue. The study says nothing about school/homeschool, but I wonder if children attending pre-schools where they may play a lot of these kinds of games are developing these skills earlier and thus instilling reliable good habits. Yet, on the surface, these games would look very anti-creative and may be considered stifling.

 

I considered posting the study in the Anti-Homeschooling thread (the one in LAH is still active), but didn't think it would help that OP much, since it doesn't examine school and homeschool situations. There's food for thought there, though. An interested person might read through some of the studies and make some inferences about how best to nurture self-regulation in children and how that may play into nurturing creativity too. 

 

I guess my only conclusion is that it's helpful to examine your pre-conceptions about creativity and how best to support it, when you are deciding whether a specific school nurtures or stifles creativity and a love of learning. 

 

 

 

 

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